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[Skilletor]

So no more comments now?

I don't care if he had a gun. The situation shouldn't have occurred in the first place, and the PD not releasing the video is still suspect as fuck.

 

[Stinkles]

His past has fuck all to do with this situation. He was not the person the cops were looking for. He was in his car. The cops reacted poorly, no matter what he had in the truck and in his hands.

I think you missed my entire point Which wasn't opaque to begin with. I was talking to people who use hypotheticals as a defense for cops shooting black people.

 

[Loudninja]

So no more comments now?

Comments on what?

We dont have the full video since they refused to release it. I am not going to pretend I know anything.

 

[FreedomFighter]

That one eye witness says the gun was planted. I'm still interested in seeing the dash and bodycam vid.

 

[JHoNNy1OoO]

I just can't wrap my head around this event. Everything about it just feels wrong. The more this event is reported on the less and less they mention that the Unmarked Cops went after the WRONG guy in Keith. Hopefully the truth comes out but I doubt it.

 

[Aselith]

So no more comments now?

Him having a gun wouldn't change anything, they had no reason to approach him like that so it's immaterial. It just looks even worse if he didn't have a gun at all.

 

[gamechanger87]

That one eye witness says the gun was planted. I'm still interested in seeing the dash and bodycam vid.

I don't know how the gun would have been planted in the 3 seconds from the shots to the gun showing up in the video. Didn't an eyewitness also claim he was shot while sitting in the car.

I believe there was one cop on the passengers side window looking into the car and he was the one who kept yelling for him to drop the gun and asked for a baton to break the window. They had a very clear view of the gun.

 

[captive]

Him having a gun wouldn't change anything, they had no reason to approach him like that so it's immaterial. It just looks even worse if he didn't have a gun at all.

It should be irrelevant but it's not. Now people will openly dismiss this incident and say the cops were in the right, by saying well why did he have a gun? He had priors? Guess he was no angel.

BTW did the cops ever catch the guy they were actually going to serve a warrant to? So messes up they weren't even there for him?

 

[Oxn]

I don't care if he had a gun. The situation shouldn't have occurred in the first place, and the PD not releasing the video is still suspect as fuck.

why wouldnt you care? If it is a gun, wouldnt that question why the family has lied repeatedly?

He has no gun,

it was a book.

 

[PrivateWHudson]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_WcX2cUeLOw

Stabilized video. Take a close look at the cop with the red shirt around the 1 minute mark. He takes a step back over something in the ground. For the rest of the video he doesn't take more then one more step away from it. Something is there.

Yep. There's something black on the ground there. The red shirt guy loses track of it for a second and is in front of it, then steps back and keeps it between his feet for the rest of the video.

 

[LostMyNarbles]

Last few pages have been people saying he didn't have a gun, the wife/witnesses said he didn't have a gun and the cops probably planted one if there was one. Now we get some clearer evidence that makes it look like he did have a gun and people just brush it off as "Oh it doesn't matter".

 

[Oxn]

Last few pages have been people saying he didn't have a gun, the wife/witnesses said he didn't have a gun and the cops probably planted one if there was one. Now we get some clearer evidence that makes it look like he did have a gun and people just brush it off as "Oh it doesn't matter".

I knew that would happen.

If he had pointed it at the police. they would say I don't care, how could the police even know its loaded?

 

[Dishwalla]

Well first of all we don't even know who's gun that is, it could very well be a gun that the red shirted cop dropped.

 

[JB1981]

Well first of all we don't even know who's gun that is, it could very well be a gun that the red shirted cop dropped.

Why would the cop just drop his gun to the ground and let it lay there ?

 

[phanphare]

Last few pages have been people saying he didn't have a gun, the wife/witnesses said he didn't have a gun and the cops probably planted one if there was one. Now we get some clearer evidence that makes it look like he did have a gun and people just brush it off as "Oh it doesn't matter".

well the situation is fluid, is why

and it shouldn't matter, the guy didn't do anything to warrant the police messing with him in the first place meaning this whole thing shouldn't have ever happened

 

[Oxn]

Why would the cop just drop his gun to the ground and let it lay there ?

Let the conspiracy theories begin.....

 

[gamechanger87]

Well first of all we don't even know who's gun that is, it could very well be a gun that the red shirted cop dropped.

Holy goal post moving. Do you really think police just drop their guns and casually stand over them and don't pick them up.

 

[Oxn]

Holy goal post moving. Do you really think police just drop their guns and casually stand over them and don't pick them up.

The cop in red was clearly trying to frame him with his own finger prints on the gun. DUN DUN DUN.

 

[Oxn]

Can't even watch that video. The side parts need to be blacked out as it makes me feel sick

Now that someone points out evidence that may differ from what you believe, but the video makes you too violently ill to even watch.

Ok.

 

[Skilletor]

why wouldnt you care? If it is a gun, wouldnt that question why the family has lied repeatedly?

He has no gun,

it was a book.

You might have me confused with other people in the thread. I've never once mentioned the family. Eye Witness accounts on these types of things are difficult to believe either way because people are emotionally involved. That's why we need footage.

First, I don't understand why the situation happened at all. Second, I don't see why it was escalated so quickly.

That's why I don't care. I want to know why the situation happened at all in the first place, and then the matter of the gun will be more relevant to me.

 

[Dishwalla]

Holy goal post moving. Do you really think police just drop their guns and casually stand over them and don't pick them up.

Holy fucking speculation, because the point still stands that we don't know who's gun it is, or even if it's actually a gun. Pretty sick that people go "oh yep there's a gun, now what do people say to excuse him getting shot?"

I mean doesn't the fact still stand that he was shot in the back? Sure was in a threatening position if he was shot in the back.

 

[EdibleKnife]

why wouldnt you care? If it is a gun, wouldnt that question why the family has lied repeatedly?

He has no gun,

it was a book.

Ever thought that he might have gotten a gun and hid it from his family? And the entire officer's reason for firing in the first place is thrown into question by the words by the police chief:

After a second night of angry protests over the fatal shooting of Keith Scott by a police officer in Charlotte, North Carolina, the city’s police chief admitted that dashcam video of the incident, which has not been made public, does not include “absolute, definitive, visual evidence that would confirm that a person is pointing a gun.”

This is a video that the family has seen and wants to be made public but isn't. If there was still any reason to shoot, why would the family want the dashcam video they've seen released?

 

[BennyBlanco]

Holy fucking speculation, because the point still stands that we don't know who's gun it is, or even if it's actually a gun. Pretty sick that people go "oh yep there's a gun, now what do people say to excuse him getting shot?"

.

It's disingenuous to say him having a gun changes nothing.

That said, I'm unconvinced that he did and if the cops are telling the truth just release the fucking video already. Them refusing to leads me to believe they're not telling the truth.

 

[Steve.1981]

The cop in red was clearly trying to frame him with his own finger prints on the gun. DUN DUN DUN.

It's great that you can enjoy yourself here. I guess you're enjoying some kind of victory, in your own mind?

You're a class act.

Meanwhile, even if Keith Scott did have a gun on his possession...he didn't have to die.

Jesus fucking Christ.

 

[Oxn]

Ever thought that he might have gotten a gun and hid it from his family?

Very possible

And the entire officer's reason for firing in the first place is thrown into question by the words by the police chief:

By the police chief, who was not there, and is viewing video that can't conclusively say either way. Not by the police that was there

This is a video that the family has seen and wants to be made public but isn't. If there was still any reason to shoot, why would the family want the dashcam video they've seen released?

Cause other than the wife who was there, who was pretty far, and as you also said earlier may not even had know he had a gun, only watched it once emotionally, and didnt disect it like the public.

 

[Skilletor]

It's great that you can enjoy yourself here. I guess you're enjoying some kind of victory, in your own mind?

You're a class act.

Meanwhile, even if Keith Scott did have a gun on his possession...he didn't have to die.

Jesus fucking Christ.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[shadow_shogun]

Another eyewitness saying it wasn't a black cops that fired the shots

 

[Oxn]

It's great that you can enjoy yourself here. I guess you're enjoying some kind of victory, in your own mind?

You're a class act.

Meanwhile, even if Keith Scott did have a gun on his possession...he didn't have to die.

Jesus fucking Christ.

No, just tired of people jumping to conclusions much like the topic title. I judge every case individually.

Seems like people want to throw every accusation at the police and see which sticks by the end.

 

[Dishwalla]

No, just tired of people jumping to conclusions much like the topic title.

Perhaps you should stop doing it then, Mr. "oh so there's no more comments now".

 

[Oxn]

Perhaps you should stop doing it then, Mr. "oh so there's no more comments now".

what have i jumped to? Quote me.

 

[NegroNinja]

No, just tired of people jumping to conclusions much like the topic title. I judge every case individually.

Seems like people want to throw every accusation at the police and see which sticks by the end.

You realize you're doing the same exact fucking thing right? Just shut the hell up. We get it you need a validation as to why a black man was murdered and your friendly neighborhood cops can be "justified". People like you are sickening.

 

[Henkka]

Another eyewitness saying it wasn't a black cops that fired the shots

Hmm. She said it was the cop in the red shirt, but she also says there wasn't a black officer anywhere near it, which is false.

 

[Oxn]

You realize you're doing the same exact fucking thing right? Just shut the hell up. We get it you need a validation as to why a black man was murdered and your friendly neighborhood cops can be "justified". People like you are sickening.

You get nothing. And you too sicken me.

 

[Skilletor]

No, just tired of people jumping to conclusions much like the topic title. I judge every case individually.

Seems like people want to throw every accusation at the police and see which sticks by the end.

Yeah, well, they deserve it.

Whether they were justified or not, every. single. time. a. cop. kills. somebody. deserves this level of scrutiny from the public, and even more, from their own institution. They need to learn how to avoid firing their guns.

 

[Frankfurter]

So will the videos be released at some point?

 

[marrec]

So no more comments now?

Despite how you're playing it Oxn, this ain't a game. There's a reason people are asking for the videos to be released, so that we can clear up the misinformation that is coming from one side or the other.

Try not to be so shitty about a man's death.

 

[DragonSworne]

People actually think that is a gun???

 

[Infinite]

No, just tired of people jumping to conclusions much like the topic title. I judge every case individually.

Seems like people want to throw every accusation at the police and see which sticks by the end.

What a hero you are

 

[PrivateWHudson]

People actually think that is a gun???

What do you think it is?

 

[marrec]

People actually think that is a gun???

It looks like Red Shirt Cop is standing over something black that, to my eyes, looks like it could be a gun.

 

[Oxn]

Despite how you're playing it Oxn, this ain't a game. There's a reason people are asking for the videos to be released, so that we can clear up the misinformation that is coming from one side or the other.

Try not to be so shitty about a man's death.

I too want the video. Im quite a logical person, and base my opinions on evidence.

 

[Durden77]

People actually think that is a gun???

From the video, the possibility of a gun being there is evident. Something is there and it's unreasonable to think that it would be impossible to be a gun until we get further evidence.

 

[marrec]

I too want the video. Im quite a logical person, and base my opinions on evidence.

A lot of other people are trying too as well.

Unfortunately in these cases we cannot base our opinions on the evidence of police testimony anymore. They are extremely untrustworthy, which is why video evidence is critical.

We need to see if he had a gun, and if he did, what he did with it.

 

[Fusebox]

Little guns like that would be really handy if I was a shitty cop. I'd keep one stored on my ankle and have a quick release to make it drop out if I ever shot the wrong person.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

Not to change the subject, but there was a claim earlier that 70% of the people arrested in Charlotte due to the protests were from out of state. That was false.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article103751931.html

Charlotte police union official acknowledges ‘I didn’t quote facts’ on out-of-state protesters

A spokesman for Charlotte’s Fraternal Order of Police told CNN that 70 percent of the protesters arrested in Charlotte this week were from out-of-state. But he acknowledged Friday that his statement was nothing more than speculation.

It was also inaccurate, according to a Charlotte Observer review of police reports.

Of the 43 people arrested late Wednesday night and early Thursday morning, 34 – or 79 percent – live in Charlotte, the Observer found. Most of the others live elsewhere in North Carolina, including Albemarle, Gastonia and Greensboro. Three others were arrested Thursday night; of those, two were from Charlotte and the third had not been identified by midafternoon Friday.

“I didn’t quote facts,” Todd Walther, spokesman for the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Fraternal Order of Police told the Observer on Friday. “It’s speculation. That’s all it was.”

Thursday, Walther told CNN that most of those arrested were not from North Carolina.

He called them “instigators that are coming in from the outside.”

“If you go back and look at some of the arrests that were made last night, I can about say probably 70 percent of those had out-of-state IDs,” said Walther during the TV interview.

The CNN segment has been shared widely on social media and on conservative media outlets.

Friday, Walther acknowledged that his comment was based on conjecture. He said he didn’t review arrest reports before the interview and hasn’t seen them after.

Also Friday, Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police chief Kerr Putney said he announced a midnight curfew during Thursday night’s peaceful march when his officers learned that a “violent” group of protesters were coming to Charlotte from South Carolina. He did not elaborate.

 

[marrec]

Not to change the subject, but there was a claim earlier that 70% of the people arrested in Charlotte due to the protests were from out of state. That was false.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article103751931.html

Another reason we need to fact check, thanks for the correction.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

I too want the video. Im quite a logical person, and base my opinions on evidence.

This self-analysis, to me, usually signals that you might not be self-critical and can't grasp what's outside your perspective. Think about this thread and topic more like that. Your word and vision aren't automatically on point.

 

[NegroNinja]

I too want the video. Im quite a logical person, and base my opinions on evidence.

Which there isn't any clear video of said evidence which means you are pulling shit from your ass. Even if he had a gun it's an open carry state so he was in his legal right to do so. How's about you base your "opinions" around actual fact.

 

[Oxn]

Which there isn't any clear video of said evidence which means you are pulling shit from your ass. Even if he had a gun it's an open carry state so he was in his legal right to do so. How's about you base your "opinions" around actual fact.

Ok expert, what are the "facts" so far.

This self-analysis, to me, usually signals that you might not be self-critical and can't grasp what's outside your perspective. Think about this thread and topic more like that. Your word and vision aren't automatically on point.

Wow therapy lessons from psychology 101

 

[marrec]

Which there isn't any clear video of said evidence which means you are pulling shit from your ass. Even if he had a gun it's an open carry state so he was in his legal right to do so. How's about you base your "opinions" around actual fact.

To your point, if he had a gun we don't know if he had a licence to open carry or could even legally obtain a firearm based on previous criminal convictions.