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Disabled Father Killed by Police in Charlotte, NC (Protests Follow)
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Actually I believe it wouldn't have been legal for him to have a gun even in an open carry state considering he had been convicted of a violent felony charge previously.
Not that the cops would have known thay at the time, but yeah.
Saw the video and the stabilized video. Certainly appears to be a gun that Red Shirt is standing over.
So IF it was his gun, it's possible that the wife did not know about it...maybe he got it without her knowledge so she wouldn't worry. I don't know.
And obviously, we also have no clue what actually happened in the confrontation because we can't see it...there is no way to tell whether Scott drew on them or not. Hopefully the other videos get released.
The whole thing stinks, and it shouldn't have happened in the first place. They train these officers to bring it up to "11" from the start..there's nowhere to go from there.
And can we stop with the "he had a prior record" shit, please? That doesn't mean a goddamn thing.
So IF it was his gun, it's possible that the wife did not know about it...maybe he got it without her knowledge so she wouldn't worry. I don't know.
And obviously, we also have no clue what actually happened in the confrontation because we can't see it...there is no way to tell whether Scott drew on them or not. Hopefully the other videos get released.
The whole thing stinks, and it shouldn't have happened in the first place. They train these officers to bring it up to "11" from the start..there's nowhere to go from there.
And can we stop with the "he had a prior record" shit, please? That doesn't mean a goddamn thing.
The police did not have a reason to surround this man and escalate the situation.
The facts are, if police were better trained at conflict resolution and better trained to recognize and remove biases and bigotry, this man would probably be alive today.
Nor did the police
Jmanunknown
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This is starting to sound more and more like Ferguson. I think the justice department should look into Charlotte PD.
Will do once people stop making hidden accusations about me.
100% truth.
I'm not sure if you can train racism away that you've learned since you were little.
I mean, recognize it within their force and excise it.
NegroNinja
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The fact that an innocent man was killed for no reason. The police has ZERO reason to even initiate any confrontation with this man. They had no idea about his prior convictions or whether or not he had a gun on him in the first place. He should've never been in contact with the place. [
Neither did the police until they decided to fuck with him for no reason. It also wouldn't be the first time police planted something on someone.
Dyson Industries
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Then they should have done what they do with white people in open-carry states and taken the time to ask.
Clockwork5
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They certainly don't all just happen to be black. I would love to know your source on that.
Unfortunately we don't know the details of the confrontation.
It's most likely though that the police escalated the situation without any thought beforehand.
Okay I see what you mean. That might help - either way, there needs to be major institutional overhaul.
Exactly right.
PrivateWHudson
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I totally agree with everything you say, and a prior record in no way "proves" a damn thing. But if he did have a record and being in possession of an illegal gun would send him back to jail, it does put some weight toward the possibility that he wouldn't go down without a fight. It's a possible motivation for someone to "brandish" a weapon.
I don't think it matters if he legally had a gun. Even if you're allowed to legally possess and conceal a weapon, if you're ordered to drop it by the police, you need to drop it.
Anyway, the whole video is confusing to me. It looks like it might be a gun, but it's still not that clear. Regardless of what happened though, I definitely feel badly for the wife. It seems like she was really trying to coax her husband to get out of the car and comply. She knew something terrible might happen, tried to prevent it to the best of her ability, and still had to witness her husband die.
Anyway, the whole video is confusing to me. It looks like it might be a gun, but it's still not that clear. Regardless of what happened though, I definitely feel badly for the wife. It seems like she was really trying to coax her husband to get out of the car and comply. She knew something terrible might happen, tried to prevent it to the best of her ability, and still had to witness her husband die.
Which is why we need the footage.
PrivateWHudson
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Absolutely.
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Steve.1981
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Poor wording on my part. I shouldn't have said all, but many of.
A quick check told me Keith Scott is the 173rd black person fatally shot by the police in America in 2016.
Thanks for being pedantic and keeping me honest though ;-)
excelsiorlef
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Neither did the cops in the moment so that point is moot.
I don't know. I think you can if you really want to change your perspective. I speak from experience.
Since I was a little boy, I was told that people from the Middle East (Persian, Indian, Arab, etc, etc), were dirty, evil, and terrorists. I grew up watching movies, television shows, and news reports that reinforced that notion that people from the Middle East were bad and shouldn't be trusted. I carried that prejudice with me well into high school and beyond. Then I moved to Los Angeles when I was 19. Los Angeles is beautifully diverse. I met people from all over the world, all over the country, and from all walks of life. Rich, poor, and everything in between. I met and learned about the people that I had harbored racist and bigoted views about, and realized that I was horribly, shamefully wrong. From that day forward, I worked really hard to rid myself of those prejudices. I then applied that work to everyone else I harbored fear/distrust of, including fellow black people (even among the black community, we are susceptible to the demonizing and dehumanization of black people). I admit, I used to tense up and feel uncomfortable when a group of black men would be walking towards me as I walked down the street. As I got older I began to recognize where that fear was coming from; the notion that black men are dangerous and untrustworthy. That a group of them are probably a gang, or drug dealers, or "thugs" (ie, "niggers"), and I should beware. I'm a black man, afraid of my own people. Shameful.
It took years, and a lot of work for me to shed my prejudices, but here's the thing: I'm still working at it to this day. I catch myself when I'm slipping into those old stereotypes and generalizations. When I see a beared man with a turban, or his wife in a hijab walking down the street, I don't immediately think "terrorist. be afraid." I look them in the eye, smile, say "hello," (which they return both in kind), and go about my business. I don't tense up anymore when I see my people coming my way. Me, a 37 year old civilian, is able to train himself to not racially profile another human being because of the color of his skin, but a professional police officer can't? That's bullshit.
I'm not trying to toot my own horn, but I'm not ashamed of how I became a better person in terms of racial prejudice because I recognized it and worked to rid myself of it. The problem is that this fucking country has a hard god damned time recognizing that it's racist as fuck, and needs to change. It seems like we've subscribed to the "Ostrich Defense Technique" strategy when it comes to racism in America. It exists. It's ugly and damaging. It's affecting the lives of everyone in this country, white America included. And it needs to stop. But it won't until we admit there is a problem and work together to address it. Too many people don't want to take personal responsibility for their world view and say, "You know what, maybe I am prejudiced and biased against XYZ (XYZ can be anything from Blacks, Asians, Mexicans, etc, to Muslims, Gays, Lesbians, and the rest of the LGBT community; related aside, I also had a prejudice against gays growing up. It's another prejudice I shed after moving to Los Angeles)."
Admitting you have racist thoughts/feelings doesn't make you a bad person. It makes you aware of your own issues as a human being. I'm certainly ashamed that I had those feelings in the past, but I'm proud that I was able to overcome them with a lot of work and real world experience confronting why I felt the way I did, and fixing it. The least the people who are sworn to Protect and Serve us can do is try to one up a 37 year old artist from Los Angeles when it comes to race relations.
TheStruggler
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sorry late to the party does anyone have link to the video or is it in OP?
2 pages back
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
It's not a bush. It's a tree. There's apartments to the right of where the wife was filming from. There's a bunch of trees that would obscure anyone taking a picture from there. The tree isn't a photoshop, that much is certain.
And yes, if a gun was found it has to be left until forensics arrive to bag everything. Police officers can only move or remove the weapon if it's located within 3 feet or arms reach of the suspect (even if the suspect is incapacitated). That is procedure. So yes, they are allowed to move a gun after the fact. The gun is definitely not there in the video, but it's also not the gloves in the picture, because the gloves were by the torso of the victim. The object in the picture is below his legs and closer to the curb.
Also, the second pair of gloves were picked up by the other officers, the one wearing red at the end started putting them on in the last 5 seconds of the video. So the glove theory is out of the question. The object in the photo is either photoshopped or a gun. And if it's a gun and not more supplies (medics, forensics, etc) from others on the site, then it's likely that when he was shot, he fell on top of it and they kicked it away only when they rolled him over after.
We need to see the footage of that dash cam from the marked car that pulled up.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
The red shirt isn't standing over a gun. He picks up some gloves and starts putting them. And right before red shirt does it, the other vested officer reaches over for them too and starts putting them on. By the end of the video all of the gloves are gone, and are on the officer's hands.
What I did just notice is that they actually started to roll him over just as the video ends. In my last post, I theorized that it's possible he fell on the gun and when they rolled him over they kicked it away or moved it after (which they are supposed to do).
I'm certain she didn't stop recording right there, so I'd actually now like to know if there's more footage from her phone and now I'd like to see even more the dashcam footage on whether or not he had a gun.
Thanks. I didn't see the earlier video, so I was confused. I understood the supposed gun was separate from gloves. Kicking the gun out after the fact seems plausible (if that happened). Definitely going to wait for more info.
That being said, this encounter should have never happened in the first place. What ever this guys past was doesn't matter. No cop should treat anyone like this. Shooting should be a last resort.
evil solrac v3.0
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blink. breathe, take your pick. when you're black and surrounded by cops anything you do makes it justified for the cops to shoot you.
Randolph Freelander
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College roomie just big-timing it right now. He's going to mess around and make me have to vote for him when he runs for Congress. I'm proud of him.
And Justin Carr's family is just tremendous. Anderson Cooper just interviewed his mother and older brother. Rest in peace.
And Justin Carr's family is just tremendous. Anderson Cooper just interviewed his mother and older brother. Rest in peace.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
I 100% agree there. I mentioned that pages ago and questioned why the hell did they have to get so tight around him? I'm very familiar with law enforcement and LEO procedures, and this was the wrong procedure. When you have a potentially gun carrying suspect, you are NOT supposed to engage. You are supposed to keep a distance of about 100 feet, and that's minimum. They literally surrounded him, and without any wiggle room.
That was very, very poor decision making.
If you look at the Oklahoma shooting from the heli view, those cops were quite a bit farther away, but their error was
1) Miscommunication (one had a stun gun, the other a handgun ready to use)
2) Approaching a retreating suspect
In these instances, a retreating suspect could be dangerous. You are not to engage physically. You repeat orders until subject complies and then approach. He walked back to his car and reached into an open window while they were just arms reach away from him. Horrible idea on his part, but a stupider and dangerous approach on the officers who put themselves into a very bad situation.
If you watch other videos of similar situations, the police turn on the loud speaker, give orders, and wait for the suspect to obey and THEN they approach to apprehend when he is in a vulnerable position (stomach down on the floor). Yes, the officers are taught to protect their lives, but they are also told not to place themselves into compromised positions.
Randolph Freelander
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New video? It was posted to YouTube yesterday, but I don't recall seeing it here. Low number of views, so I suppose not many have noticed it.
But Charlotte Observer posted a link to another video taken with a cell phone, this one appears to be in the immediate aftermath of the shooting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxktBbFgFVE
But Charlotte Observer posted a link to another video taken with a cell phone, this one appears to be in the immediate aftermath of the shooting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxktBbFgFVE
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
No, the guy with the red shirt 100% is standing over something. You can even see where the man was out of the car, but she had the phone down when the shots went off and it's hard to tell who shot.. but it doesn't look like the guy in the red honestly. You can see after she steadied the phone back after the shots the guy in red is now over where the man was shot.. and behind him is something on the ground.. he then moves back and stands over that object. It's in the exact spot as the picture from the other angle that makes it look like a gun.
See here:
People are now saying it was a glove, and dismissing that nothing was on the ground. Something clearly was, and he stood over it on purpose.. notice everyone else kind of moves around, he doesn't.
I was going to add a screenshot of that video, but it's such a poor quality upload it's really hard to see the same thing, but you can see that he is standing over something, and even accidentally steps on it and move's his feet... you can see him pick up the same dropped glove. It's taken at the same time as the other video, but after the shots were fired. It's also from around the same spot/angle as the photo showing a gun were taken from.
Randolph Freelander
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NC SBI says CMPD can still decide to release their videos, they can't pass the buck and say it's the SBI's call.
https://twitter.com/ChrisDotWeb/status/779487869966712832
https://twitter.com/ChrisDotWeb/status/779487869966712832
Randolph Freelander
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It is evident that the officer's left foot is very much glued to the ground. He certainly appears to be guarding an object, and that object could certainly be a gun, but we just don't know. (And, of course, we don't know what the victim was doing with that object leading up to the shots.)
Thanks for your work in this thread
Chmpocalypse
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Figboy, above - you're an awesome person. Good job working on yourself.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
I wasn't trying to make any claim on it being a gun or not, or what happened... because you can't see any of that.
I was pointing out that something is there, and he stands over it. People around the web were saying the glove thing, and that there was no object or claiming the white spot by the front of the police vehicle was the "gun" in the other photo, when it clearly wasn't. It's whatever is under that cop who's standing over it.
BTW, what vehicle was the man in.. I can't make that out.. I thought it was the white truck, but it's not.. is it that mini-van.. and does he come out the passenger side or drivers side and walks around? It's really hard to tell.
Randolph Freelander
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Anderson Cooper just reported on CNN that Hillary will now not travel to Charlotte on Sunday. She will wait a week at the request of the mayor, who had requested that both candidates give the city some breathing room.
Randolph Freelander
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I get that. I wasn't battling back, I had actually edited my thoughts down to what that ended up being. It could be a gun, it might very well end up being a gun. But there's another possibility that it's some other object which would still be evidence, the only clear thing is that the officer is being very protective of it so that it isn't disturbed.
DrForester
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Watch Trump fly in this weekend and ask, "Where's crooked Hillary?"
Randolph Freelander
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He would fly in to reach out to the black community.... from a rural area in upstate South Carolina 45 miles away.
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