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Disabled Father Killed by Police in Charlotte, NC (Protests Follow)

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I'll be honest, the moment it became readily apparent that this dude had a gun which he refused to relinquish when ordered to by uniformed police officers, I personally filed it under "tragic human error (possibly exacerbated by a mental illness)" instead of "racially motivated killing". I understand why people are upset, but it just doesn't feel right to lump this one in with other more clearly malicious officer involved shootings, like Tulsa or Charleston.
 
Crisco said:
I'll be honest, the moment it became readily apparent that this dude had a gun which he refused to relinquish when ordered to bt uniformed police officers, I personally filed it under "tragic human error (possibly exacerbated by a mental illness)" instead of "racially motivated killing". I understand why people are upset, but it just doesn't feel right to lump this one in with other more clearly malicious officer involved shootings, like Tulsa or Charleston.
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We don't know what went on. Way too easy to just take the cops word for it.
 
Crisco said:
I'll be honest, the moment it became readily apparent that this dude had a gun which he refused to relinquish when ordered to by uniformed police officers, I personally filed it under "tragic human error (possibly exacerbated by a mental illness)" instead of "racially motivated killing". I understand why people are upset, but it just doesn't feel right to lump this one in with other more clearly malicious officer involved shootings, like Tulsa or Charleston.
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As if that bin, next to suicide by cop, is some how not bad? Police reform is needed. This is an example of it. There are too many racially motivated shootings, that people do fuck all about, so it's easy to see that lying police would be treated as if they continue to gun down people and lie about it.

None of your conclusions ease up the immediate need for better police training and calls for accountability.
 
Crisco said:
I'll be honest, the moment it became readily apparent that this dude had a gun which he refused to relinquish when ordered to by uniformed police officers, I personally filed it under "tragic human error (possibly exacerbated by a mental illness)" instead of "racially motivated killing". I understand why people are upset, but it just doesn't feel right to lump this one in with other more clearly malicious officer involved shootings, like Tulsa or Charleston.
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We live in a country with the right to bear arms. Unless this video shows him pointing the gun at the cops, there's not really an excuse.

And that's not even getting into them bearing down on this guy in a car in the first place, who wasn't even the one they were looking for.
 
Crisco said:
I'll be honest, the moment it became readily apparent that this dude had a gun which he refused to relinquish when ordered to by uniformed police officers, I personally filed it under "tragic human error (possibly exacerbated by a mental illness)" instead of "racially motivated killing". I understand why people are upset, but it just doesn't feel right to lump this one in with other more clearly malicious officer involved shootings, like Tulsa or Charleston.
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You do know your personal conclusion is absolute bs right? You cannot file something under tragic human error when he was killed on purpose. When the victim was shot it was with the intent to kill and they were not shooting at anyone else so no their so tragic human error in this situation.
 
Enzom21 said:
Yep, but it is a misdemeanor with a $200 fine. I bet it started out as a revenue generating encounter.
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Is there a link to this information, brother? Don't know that I need to get angrier, but if this was on some weed shit?! Man..fuck all shit. And I haven't smoked in..I can't even remember!
 
commedieu said:
As if that bin, next to suicide by cop, is some how not bad? Police reform is needed. This is an example of it. There are too many racially motivated shootings, that people do fuck all about, so it's easy to see that lying police would be treated as if they continue to gun down people and lie about it.

None of your conclusions ease up the immediate need for better police training and calls for accountability.
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No doubt, but I don't think it's fair to expect police officers to be perfect either. These are people with relatively limited training and poor funding vs the difficulty of the job they are supposed to be doing. High stress situations with potentially lethal outcomes that require split second decisions, mistakes will be made. I just think we need to differentiate between an honest fuck up and a truly malicious act. People on both sides jump to conclusions too quickly.

Jmanunknown said:
You do know your personal conclusion is absolute bs right? You cannot file something under tragic human error when he was killed on purpose. When the victim was shot it was with the intent to kill and they were not shooting at anyone else so no their so tragic human error in this situation.
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Like this guy right here, I'm sure he came to this conclusion before even the first video was released or we knew Scott had a gun. Too many people do this.
 
Crisco said:
No doubt, but I don't think it's fair to expect police officers to be perfect either. These are people with relatively limited training and poor funding vs the difficulty of the job they are supposed to be doing. High stress situations with potentially lethal outcomes that require split second decisions, mistakes will be made. I just think we need to differentiate between an honest fuck up and a truly malicious act. People on both sides jump to conclusions too quickly.



Like this guy right here, I'm sure he came to this conclusion before even the first video was released or we knew Scott had a gun. Too many people do this.
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Seriously why are you being so obtuse? Also thanks for assuming my thoughts on a subject but I guess your a mind reader. Oh yeah I am gonna assume you believe every cop is innocent and that your racist. See how the assuming stuff works? Anyway on to my original point once the officer decided to shoot him their was no human error. Its part of their training officers are taught shoot to kill in the US.
 
JB1981 said:
I am sure this has been mentioned earlier but can someone please explain to me how the gun suddenly appears on the pavement out of nowhere later on in the video? It looks like the officer in the red shirt reaches into his pocket for something and bends down and suddenly a gun is there on the ground. Wtf ?

There clearly was no gun visible when they first start to cuff the man
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The object is there after she steadies the phone back the entire time after the shots went off. See my pics I posted.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
What information do you have that we don't that's allowing you to make that distinction right now and telling others they're wrong?
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I think anyone concluding these cops set out with the clear intent to kill this guy clearly have an agenda and aren't being intellectually honest. At this time, there is considerably more evidence supporting a mistake than pre-meditated murder.

Jmanunknown said:
Seriously why are you being so obtuse? he was killed on purpose you cannot deny that. Once the officer decided to shoot him their was no human error. Its part of their training officers are taught shoot to kill in the US.
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I'm not being obtuse, but I generally try to avoid directly engaging ignorant people.
 
Crisco said:
No doubt, but I don't think it's fair to expect police officers to be perfect either. These are people with relatively limited training and poor funding vs the difficulty of the job they are supposed to be doing. High stress situations with potentially lethal outcomes that require split second decisions, mistakes will be made. I just think we need to differentiate between an honest fuck up and a truly malicious act. People on both sides jump to conclusions too quickly.




Like this guy right here, I'm sure he came to this conclusion before even the first video was released or we knew Scott had a gun. Too many people do this.
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Stop moving your talking points. No one said perfect. Our police are inept at dealing with a certain demographic of the public and it's due to training. You're listing all of the things that need to change. I have 0 sympathy for people that choose to join up and execute people. Your sob story ignores how police are generally working at 100% intensity with no efforts made to deescalate a situation.

A man inside a car with an alleged gun. They bash the windows in. What else is the outcome. Why are they being harassed by undercover finger men to begin with? It's nonsense that any other civilized country can see and points out often.

Stop making excuses. They are bullshit. Which is why I'm so thankful that a black police union had decided to step up and say it's a problem. Our nation has gone too long with people that keep trying to downplay this fact. Nothing is more tragic than dead citizens. Bad thoughts or generalizing doesn't lead to that. Only police with 0 accountability.

We are saying the same thing. But you're using it as an excuse as to why people are literally killed. It's a fixable issue. Police need pressure to do so, but they won't as long as people are saying "well whoopsiedaisy you just killed a human being. Oh well. Happens!" It isn't acceptable in any way shape or form.

Edit. And now you're debating whether or not is premeditated murder.

Who is saying this?

Lol you're just making shit up at this point to debate some image you have of a hive mind.

Do you speak to any black people about this? Irl? How are you so out of touch?
 
Crisco said:
I think anyone concluding these cops set out with the clear intent to kill this guy clearly have an agenda and aren't being intellectually honest. At this time, there is considerably more evidence supporting a mistake than pre-meditated murder.



I'm not being obtuse, but I generally try to avoid directly engaging ignorant people.
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Thanks now you just insulted me without even really knowing me so go ahead what else do you know about me? I am sure you want to keep digging that hole.
 
Randolph Freelander said:
Chief just basically said this was about possession of weed.

Pick better battles, police.
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Wasn't the police chief saying the opposite of that? From what I heard, and what I can see other news sources quoting him as saying, is that they weren't focused on the marijuana until they saw a gun produced. Did I miss a statement somewhere else?
 
Crisco said:
No doubt, but I don't think it's fair to expect police officers to be perfect either. These are people with relatively limited training and poor funding vs the difficulty of the job they are supposed to be doing. ,High stress situations with potentially lethal outcomes that require split second decisions mistakes will be made. I just think we need to differentiate between an honest fuck up and a truly malicious act. People on both sides jump to conclusions too quickly.
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Your right about mistakes being made, but have you considered whether the distinction is even useful? This guy lost his life. Mistake or malice, all your doing is handwaving the issue aside. If you call it a mistake, 'Oh, these things happen'. You even make that defense in your post with "High stress situations with potentially lethal outcomes that require split second decisions mistakes will be made". If its not a mistake, and malice instead, it becomes the 'one bad apple' argument.

How about asking how an environment has been built that police go to their guns so quickly and shoot so rapidly in these situations? As I've said numerous times to friends, the military has more stringent rules of engagement for unknown subjects than the police do.
 
Lyn said:
Wasn't the police chief saying the opposite of that? From what I heard, and what I can see other news sources quoting him as saying, is that they weren't focused on the marijuana until they saw a gun produced. Did I miss a statement somewhere else?
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he said they weren't going to do anything about the weed until they saw a gun.
 
Lyn said:
Wasn't the police chief saying the opposite of that? From what I heard, and what I can see other news sources quoting him as saying, is that they weren't focused on the marijuana until they saw a gun produced. Did I miss a statement somewhere else?
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It's what drew their attention. Without the weed, they don't notice the potential gun. I want to know how that encounter started, how they saw the gun. Was the gun a threat immediately? Did the police draw immediately?

If I'm minding my business and someone rolls up on me with a drawn gun, I'm going to assume I'm about to die and I might not react with all of my rational mind. Add a brain injury, medication, etc., and the mix becomes more volatile. But why did they notice the man? When did they notice the potential gun? Where were they when they noticed the gun?

Hopefully, the video sheds some light on this.
 
commedieu said:
Stop moving your talking points. No one said perfect. Our police are inept at dealing with a certain demographic of the public and it's due to training. You're listing all of the things that need to change. I have 0 sympathy for people that choose to join up and execute people. Your sob story ignores how police are generally working at 100% intensity with no efforts made to deescalate a situation.

A man inside a car with an alleged gun. They bash the windows in. What else is the outcome. Why are they being harassed by undercover finger men to begin with? It's nonsense that any other civilized country can see and points out often.

Stop making excuses. They are bullshit. Which is why I'm so thankful that a black police union had decided to step up and say it's a problem. Our nation has gone too long with people that keep trying to downplay this fact. Nothing is more tragic than dead citizens. Bad thoughts or generalizing doesn't lead to that. Only police with 0 accountability.

We are saying the same thing. But you're using it as an excuse as to why people are literally killed. It's a fixable issue. Police need pressure to do so, but they won't as long as people are saying "well whoopsiedaisy you just killed a human being. Oh well. Happens!" It isn't acceptable in any way shape or form.

Edit. And now you're debating whether or not is premeditated murder.

Who is saying this?

Lol you're just making shit up at this point to debate some image you have of a hive mind.

Do you speak to any black people about this? Irl? How are you so out of touch?
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What talking point have I moved? Read this thread from the first page. People were saying murder, cover ups and talking about planted guns from the jump. Before almost anything was known, people made their minds up that the police wanted to kill this guy for being black and everyone from the governor on down were working to cover it up.

If the conversation was about improved training and accountability, then I don't have a problem. But we can't have that conversation when police are immediatly portrayed as the bad guys. That's how we end up with riots that resulted in another person dead. There's far too much emotion and not enough rationality from people on both sides. Police are human, they are tasked with an incredibly difficult job, how do we best prepare and equip them to do it in a way that limits loss of human life? That's what the conversation should be.

You want to call me racially insensitive, that's fine, and says more about you than it does about me. The facts are that this guy had a gun, wasn't complying with police, had a mental illness, and was eventually shot by a black cop. Hell, the police chief is black too. Where does racism come into play with this particular incident?
 
Soooo it looks like Charlotte's finest is in no particular hurry to release this video.

An hour and half has already passed since the point that Putney said the footage would be out in 30 minutes.
 
Grover Cleveland said:
Soooo it looks like Charlotte's finest is in no particular hurry to release this video.

An hour and half has already passed since the point that Putney said the footage would be out in 30 minutes.
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There already seems to be multiple videos? Do you mean like Body cam footage or something? I feel like I'm behind on the news here.
 
Aztechnology said:
There already seems to be multiple videos? Do you mean like Body cam footage or something? I feel like I'm behind on the news here.
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I'm talking about the recorded footage shot from the uniformed officer's body camera and the footage from the dashboard camera of the cruiser that pulled up to the scene.

CMPD announced that they would be releasing it today.
 
"I hope everyone feels included"

(-Except black, young, elderly, and poor people that want to vote
-Except LGBT that want to not be discriminated against
-Except people that just want to go to the bathroom
-Etc.)

Guh. Why even have these clowns on to spread their nonsense.
 
Crisco said:
What talking point have I moved? Read this thread from the first page. People were saying murder, cover ups and talking about planted guns from the jump. Before almost anything was known, people made their minds up that the police wanted to kill this guy for being black and everyone from the governor on down were working to cover it up.

If the conversation was about improved training and accountability, then I don't have a problem. But we can't have that conversation when police are immediatly portrayed as the bad guys. That's how we end up with riots that resulted in another person dead. There's far too much emotion and not enough rationality from people on both sides. Police are human, they are tasked with an incredibly difficult job, how do we best prepare and equip them to do it in a way that limits loss of human life? That's what the conversation should be.

You want to call me racially insensitive, that's fine, and says more about you than it does about me. The facts are that this guy had a gun, wasn't complying with police, had a mental illness, and was eventually shot by a black cop. Hell, the police chief is black too. Where does racism come into play with this particular incident?
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Wow cannot believe what you posted. You just literally pulled out every bullet point of deflection racists like to pullout in these situations. I was messing around about you being racist but now I really have my doubts. Now I am honestly surprised you didn't say you have black friends.


Anyway I wonder whats holding up the release of the video?
 
Jmanunknown said:
Wow cannot believe what you posted. You just literally pulled out every bullet point of deflection racists like to pullout in these situations. I was messing around about you being racist but now I really have my doubts. Now I am honestly surprised you didn't say you have black friends.


Anyway I wonder whats holding up the release of the video?
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Why would I want black friends?
 
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