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With regards to Xcom 2 and it's PC only background, is there any chance of seeing this game on the consoles?

When Xcom 2 was released it was stated as a PC only game, developed only for PC, with no chance in hell ever appearing on consoles according to PC elitists as well as the developers.
Yet less than a year later, it is now released for consoles. This made me buy the game on release even though my computer barely can play it...

We have had PC-typical games like Wasteland 2 and Divinity Original Sin being released on consoles and Torment Tides of Numenera coming soon. Games that never would have been released on earlier consoles.
 
With regards to Xcom 2 and it's PC only background, is there any chance of seeing this game on the consoles?

When Xcom 2 was released it was stated as a PC only game, developed only for PC, with no chance in hell ever appearing on consoles according to PC elitists as well as the developers.
Yet less than a year later, it is now released for consoles. This made me buy the game on release even though my computer barely can play it...

We have had PC-typical games like Wasteland 2 and Divinity Original Sin being released on consoles and Torment Tides of Numenera coming soon. Games that never would have been released on earlier consoles.

Probably a civ revolution 2 if there ever is another console civ, but the main games, never
 
With regards to Xcom 2 and it's PC only background, is there any chance of seeing this game on the consoles?

When Xcom 2 was released it was stated as a PC only game, developed only for PC, with no chance in hell ever appearing on consoles according to PC elitists as well as the developers.
Yet less than a year later, it is now released for consoles. This made me buy the game on release even though my computer barely can play it...

We have had PC-typical games like Wasteland 2 and Divinity Original Sin being released on consoles and Torment Tides of Numenera coming soon. Games that never would have been released on earlier consoles.
I wouldn't even be surprised if this game came to mobile.
 
I wouldn't even be surprised if this game came to mobile.
Well, looking at the UI I don't know how they would fit this onto a smaller, touch only, mobile device.
Even on consoles it would be pretty awkward to manage a full blown Civ game without a mouse.

I could definitely see a Civ Rev with that art style and graphics on mobile and consoles though. The graphics shouldn't be a problem for a current gen console or a tablet like the iPad Pro.
 
With regards to Xcom 2 and it's PC only background, is there any chance of seeing this game on the consoles?

When Xcom 2 was released it was stated as a PC only game, developed only for PC, with no chance in hell ever appearing on consoles according to PC elitists as well as the developers.
Yet less than a year later, it is now released for consoles. This made me buy the game on release even though my computer barely can play it...

We have had PC-typical games like Wasteland 2 and Divinity Original Sin being released on consoles and Torment Tides of Numenera coming soon. Games that never would have been released on earlier consoles.

So the port begging begins. complete with an PC elitist reference.

Never change GAF.
 
So the port begging begins. complete with an PC elitist reference.

Never change GAF.

No begging, just a question and one I think is relevant as I presented it.
Can't you see the difference?
And I'm active in the PC threads, I still see what console owners are called and looked down upon by some.
I'm for a multi-format GAF. :)
edit: The question is also relevant if I'm in need of a new computer for about $1000 or a slight chance I can play it on my PS4. My current PC is from 2009 that doesn't meet the mininum requirement..
 
No begging, just a question and one I think is relevant as I presented it.
Can't you see the difference?
And I'm active in the PC threads, I still see what console owners are called and looked down upon by some.
I'm for a multi-format GAF. :)

The game is only announced for the PC at the moment and if you want to be sure to play the game then you should be prepared to play it on PC.

Your comment doesn't read well at all with the "pc elitist" off-hand comment which just feels completly unnecessary and what you're asking as a question is usually considered port begging when it's done in announcement thread (which this is). It's like going into any japanese game(like person 5)'s announcement thread or other unrelated thread asking "Is this coming to PC? I don't want to spend $400 on a box for a game that might be coming to pc. Just look at how many japanese games are getting ported to pc nowadays" and then throw something like "of course playstation fanboys and the PR will deny that it will go multiplatform, just look how they did it with this other japanese game that ended up on pc"

XCOM 2 had a precedent with coming to consles as the game before it in the series had done it, this is something that isn't the same with the civ games. so the expectations of a console port is much lower.

I hope you understand this when making your decision.
 
No begging, just a question and one I think is relevant as I presented it.
Can't you see the difference?
And I'm active in the PC threads, I still see what console owners are called and looked down upon by some.
I'm for a multi-format GAF. :)
edit: The question is also relevant if I'm in need of a new computer for about $1000 or a slight chance I can play it on my PS4. My current PC is from 2009 that doesn't meet the mininum requirement..

It's port begging, in the same way it would be if a PS4 exclusive was announced and I asked if there was any chance it might come to PC.

The only difference is that I would have gotten banned, and you won't. Even though you also added an unwarranted reference to PC elitism. Talk about a community that's "looked down upon" on GAF. The only reason anyone said that Xcom probably wouldn't come to consoles was because the devs themselves said so, and the last one performed terribly on consoles. It had nothign to do with elitism.

Also, you don't need a $1000 PC to play this game. I'm sure you know that, and I'm sure you stated that price because... reasons.

The bottom line is, as you ALREADY knew, we don't know if this game will ever come to consoles. There is very little chance, since it's never come and since there are some serious UI and market reality issues (this is being described by some as deeper than your average Civ game, with a bigger learning curve even). And if it DOES come it won't be for a long, long time.

If you want to play this game any time soon, PC is your only ticket. As you already knew.
 
With regards to Xcom 2 and it's PC only background, is there any chance of seeing this game on the consoles?

When Xcom 2 was released it was stated as a PC only game, developed only for PC, with no chance in hell ever appearing on consoles according to PC elitists as well as the developers.
Yet less than a year later, it is now released for consoles. This made me buy the game on release even though my computer barely can play it...

We have had PC-typical games like Wasteland 2 and Divinity Original Sin being released on consoles and Torment Tides of Numenera coming soon. Games that never would have been released on earlier consoles.
I wouldn't bank on it coming to console or mobile formats, no. You might see another Civ Rev (or something similar), but I doubt much more than that.
So the port begging begins. complete with an PC elitist reference.

Never change GAF.
Oh please, the reference to XCOM 2 was spot-on. People said there was a snowball's chance in hell of it making it to console and now here we are mere months later.

EDIT: A reminder of what port-begging actually is:

There seems to be some confusion about what port begging is and isn't, and also about why we would discourage port begging to begin with (including taking disciplinary measures against it in some cases). Rules don't exist just for the sake of it, they're not just designed for moderators to move their numbers up the ban leaderboard. We look at rules in order to try to help structure the discussions and encourage people to contribute.

Port begging is not the act of discussing the platforms a game is or isn't coming out on, it's not discussing how different types of hardware enable or support different experiences better than others, it's not looking at market positioning of a particular game. Games get ported. Games that say they're not getting ported get ported. Exclusive games get ported. Some companies seem to scam consumers by denying all possibility of a port until just after Christmas, and then when sales have exhausted on the base platforms bring on the ports so they can get double-dipping revenue. Games get ported well after release sometimes, often if sequels are slated to be multiplatform. Sometime games get ported just to re-release the game on a platform for some passive income. It has nothing to do with what platform the person is discussing a port to or port from. These are facts of life. It's OK to discuss them.

Port begging was an issue of people going into threads, often pre-release or announcement threads, and preventing legitimate discussion by leaving one liners about how "lol not buying unless it gets released on ps3 owned" and then running away. It's people having freakouts and meltdowns because a game was announced for the wrong system. The person doing it had no interest in discussing the game, the people who did want to discuss the game can't discuss it, well-meaning people jump down the person's throat creating a derail, and the whole thing becomes a mess. Port begging isn't some magical separate rule, it's the general rule we enforce against trolling, against system wars posts, and against derailing threads. Users who want this big laundry list of legalistic rules are totally missing the point that in general all the rules boil down to "Be nice to other people and try to have good discussions with other people and not ruin their day". It's not rocket science.

Look at what's being discussed here. ZombiU is a relatively well received game. It was released as a launch title for a platform. As with any launch title, it had some limitations probably due to rushed time and diminished budget. Some of those limitations also reflected the state of the platform at launch. It hasn't been followed up with DLC, which is unusual for a title of its genre and scope. It hasn't got a sequel. It's now been 16 months, give or take. Most of Ubisoft's slate is multiplatform (the one exception being maybe Rabbids, which is multiplatform as an IP but tends to get custom instalments for each platform). Ubisoft is winding down support for Wii U. Ubisoft has admitted ZombiU did not sell as they were hoped. If you look at all of this information and think "it's absolutely fucking contemptible that anyone would be considering what ZombiU's future options might be", I think maybe you're getting a little too emotionally close to the platform.

This is not me magically blessing that everything should always be omniplatform and beg to high heavens, guys. It's not me saying that as long as you're not in the OT you get to freely port beg. It's just acknowledging that when we're a little removed from stuff, when passions aren't running hot, when there doesn't seem to be a crazy console war agenda, when it's not someone with a Halo avatar asking for Killzone to go Xbox One exclusive, I think it's fair to say that reasonable discussion can occur surrounding the issue of porting. I definitely see people in this thread who are so preposterously positive about the port being some smash hit that I can't help but wonder if they acknowledge that the game design, as well as the platform, played a role in its limited success so far--and maybe someone is going to have a Wii U more like Wii Poo meltdown in here and get themselves banned. But the discussion itself isn't unfair.

Obviously when a game is an exclusive, and especially if it's published by a first-party, then there's a degree of "suck it up and buy the hardware". I totally agree with that. It serves no purpose to sit around and be bitter that the games you want aren't on the platform you have. Tailor your hardware purchases for the games you want. And if something never gets ported, then that's great. You should probably consider buying the hardware it's on if playing it is that important to you.

Let's also maybe look at people discussing five-years-late ports to PC. They're not port begging. No one is running into an active discussion of people playing through Vanquish the first time and informing that that "720p on the PS Bomba and the Xbox Three Shitty!!!! drop this bitch up on Steamizzle yio~~!!". And in most cases it's not people who haven't played the game who are asking for the port, it's people who have played the game asking for the port. This is more about preserving the game going forward.

There are arguments against and for porting this specific game or any game in general, and we're seeing a lot of them here. Some of them focus on the degree to which the game's design matches the Wii U's design. That's totally valid. There are business arguments too.

Just a little while ago during the lag between Nintendo's catastrophic financial results and their investor's briefing, we had discussions about whether Nintendo would be likely to exit the hardware producing business. The context was that many analysts, investors, and observers suggested they either might or ought to. And you can easily argue against why they should. But it wasn't console wars to conceptually have the discussion, just as it wouldn't be about Sony or Microsoft in similar predicaments (IE "If Microsoft ends up an enterprise company, where does that leave Xbox?" "If Sony is on the verge of bankruptcy, what happens to SCE?"). It would be console wars to enter and NPD thread and announce "Lol Boned again naturally, when is M$ going to give up the ghost and stop pretending to be a good console manufacturer". It would also be console wars if, say, in response to a bad month for Sony, someone with a long-term record of getting banned for trolling against Sony were to make a thread incredulously asking why the PS4 isn't cancelled yet. We don't want "reaction" or "compensating" threads.

If you feel people are posting in such a way that requires moderation response--instead of reporting "rule breaking", try to report "bad posting that really needs an intervention because it's wrecking discussion"--just PM a mod with a quick link and an explanation. Politely, please, we hate PMs that start with "STUMPOKAPOW, ARE MODERATORS BIASED? IF NOT, HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN WHY THEY HAVEN'T ALREADY PERMED THIS POSTER? YOU ARE QUICKLY LOSING MY TRUST. <link to post>", it's very disrespectful. Just link the post, and a mod will check it out.

I hope this clarifies the issues people are having understanding why this discussion is allowed. If it doesn't, don't worry about it, just take part in the discussions you're interested in, avoid the ones you're not interested in, and we'll do our best to clean up the mess.
 
I wouldn't bank on it coming to console or mobile formats, no. You might see another Civ Rev (or something similar), but I doubt much more than that.

Oh please, the reference to XCOM 2 was spot-on. People said there was a snowball's chance in hell of it making it to console and now here we are mere months later.

Nah. Again, people only said that because the devs doubled down on not working on a console port, yet people were constantly port begging on it, so other posters were restating what the devs said.

Either way XCOM is a different scenario as the first one was designed with consoles in mind and was on console. Civ games were never on console, and there's no indication of that changing. It maybe, but as it stands right now, there is no such announcement, and asking for a console version is port begging.
 
For a game like Civ wouldn't it be smart to ensure it has very low system requirements? The graphical leap between 6 and 5 is tiny and graphics are inconsequential anyway in a game like this. Seems to me they're just reducing their addressable market. I would buy it if I could run it on my laptop, and I know a bunch of other people who would too.
 
I wouldn't bank on it coming to console or mobile formats, no. You might see another Civ Rev (or something similar), but I doubt much more than that.

Oh please, the reference to XCOM 2 was spot-on. People said there was a snowball's chance in hell of it making it to console and now here we are mere months later.

EDIT: A reminder of what port-begging actually is:

Doesn't sound like you were around then, or paying attention. Xcom 2 threads were nothing but pages and pages of console gamers bringing up the port. The only reason people were saying that it probably wasn't coming, or not for a long while was because the DEVS THEMSELVES repeatedly said so. The very definition of port begging.

You'll excuse me if I saw this poster's comment, specially about "elitist PC gamers" and immediately thought this was just another port begging post. the follow up wiht the $1,000 PC didn't help any.

If he would have approached the question without poisoning the well, my response would have been just been the last part of my response, about the unlikely prospects. The end.
 
Which means nothing to the topic of discussing if it would come to another platform.

Continuing to derail numerous threads on the game to discuss the non-existing port which the devs said would not be happening, was threadshitting and port begging.

And here we are again.

I'm dropping this, hopefully the both of you will too.
 
For a game like Civ wouldn't it be smart to ensure it has very low system requirements? The graphical leap between 6 and 5 is tiny and graphics are inconsequential anyway in a game like this. Seems to me they're just reducing their addressable market. I would buy it if I could run it on my laptop, and I know a bunch of other people who would too.

Of course it reduces addressable market share, but the number of PC's with the likely specs are huge. Like several times larger than both current gen consoles combined.

At some point they have to say: We want these defining features in the game and we need this hardware to pull it off.

I'd rather they draw that line on the sand than start cutting features because they need to support Intel 4000 chips.
 
I'd be surprised if a real Civ came to consoles because it is a in a different situation then xcom. The user interface for Civ is much more complex than xcom. I'm sure if 2k really wanted a console version they could figure something out but it would be a tougher translation than xcom. You really need something like a steam controller. Lets see if Firaxis scale the UI better this time because I tried to play Civ 5 with my steam controller on my home theater PC and the experience was sub par. Not only because the controls were worse than a key mouse combo but the UI is too small on a tv with no proper scaling.

Mobile might be a better fit but most screens are too small for the UI required.
 
The $1000 was a personal estimate, not a general estimate. It is only because if I'd get a new computer I personally wouldn't go so much under that. That might or might not include a new monitor as well, since the one I have now is a Dell U2311H from 2011.

I fully understand that you can get a PC way under that.

I won't continue this discussion any longer since my post was misinterpreted and will only lead to more trouble.
 
SO, only 20 more days until we all get to play this. I've been telling myself that I won't pre-order but instead wait til a couple days after release just to gauge player reviews and reactions, but honestly after watching tons of youtube videos of people already playing for the past few days, I'm pretty confident it's ready for release and worth all of that $60. I think I'll still wait until launch day, but I can feel my resolve cracking. I don't pre-order as a rule, but the Civ franchise is one that I'm pretty confident to buy on day one or before....

ON that note I've also come to the realization that I'll most likely never play Civ V ever again after 20 days from now. I think I need to play just one more game of Civ V between now and October 21st to say goodbye to the game, I think I'll make it a huge map with lots of other Civ's on it, lol! Go out with an end game turn crunching time hogging monster of a game....
 
Me and the wife are waiting until December to let them get through the launch period of shit fucking up, driver support, etc. Who knows when the first DLC pack will drop, I'm sure they'll piecemeal it out like last time being the greedy fucks they are when it comes to making near-essential content not included.

I love Civ, do not get me wrong, but their content and greed level leave a lot to be desired.
 
Well that's just sealed me getting a 15 inch dGPU MBP over the 13 inch when they are announced.

Good idea.

You know the intel video card solutions aren't that good nowadays when even a new game like Civ 6 doesn't run well

EDIT: Did they announce the system requirements for the Mac port yet? haven't heard anything.
 
For a game like Civ wouldn't it be smart to ensure it has very low system requirements? The graphical leap between 6 and 5 is tiny and graphics are inconsequential anyway in a game like this. Seems to me they're just reducing their addressable market. I would buy it if I could run it on my laptop, and I know a bunch of other people who would too.

Are you serious? The graphic requirements for this game are miniscule as is, the minimum specs are equivalent to a super budget laptop. Why would they lower it even more?

If you need it lower, you have 5 other civ games that will run on anything.
 
Watching Quill18's videos, I wonder if anyone figured out why the campus is only giving +2 Science and not +2 Science/citizen? Did they change the balance and just forgot to change the text?

Also, I know there's a Mac Version... but I'm assuming it won't launch on the same day as the PC version, will it?
 
Watching Quill18's videos, I wonder if anyone figured out why the campus is only giving +2 Science and not +2 Science/citizen? Did they change the balance and just forgot to change the text?

Also, I know there's a Mac Version... but I'm assuming it won't launch on the same day as the PC version, will it?

I had assumed this is because he had only actually assigned a single citizen to that tile. Apparantly for districts that can hold multiple citizens if you click the citizen icon multiple times it toggles between 0, 1, 2, etc citizens. It is a horrible display / UX experience anyway. He shows off that 'toggling' thing in one of the later Rome videos. I think around episode 13, or 14.
 
Writing Bull, a mod of the German Civ community Civforum, is about to stream the game for two hours. Probably in German, but it could still be interesting to see how an experienced Civ player approaches the game.
https://www.twitch.tv/writing_bull

Edit:
Stream in German is up. Writing Bull and Piruparka, both mods, play Norway.
 
If you are talking about the typical 20% off, it only applies to physical releases. Digital copies won't have it.
Ohhh, i see, thanks... For some reason I'm reluctant to get the physical disc. Is that silly, to just want the digital version? Do I get a CD key with the physical version that I can redeem for the digital version?
 
Ohhh, i see, thanks... For some reason I'm reluctant to get the physical disc. Is that silly, to just want the digital version? Do I get a CD key with the physical version that I can redeem for the digital version?
It will be a steam key I guess or if it's a 2K thing like GTAV you can still get the digital version. Although you may have to install it from disc first.
 
Writing Bull, a mod of the German Civ community Civforum, is about to stream the game for two hours. Probably in German, but it could still be interesting to see how an experienced Civ player approaches the game.
https://www.twitch.tv/writing_bull

Edit:
Stream in German is up. Writing Bull and Piruparka, both mods, play Norway.
Thanks, I don't normally watch ppl. play, but that particular stream is fun.
Wish I had time to waste on Civ 6 :(
/OK, that dumb raffle right now is fucking things up...
 
With regards to Xcom 2 and it's PC only background, is there any chance of seeing this game on the consoles?

When Xcom 2 was released it was stated as a PC only game, developed only for PC, with no chance in hell ever appearing on consoles according to PC elitists as well as the developers.
Yet less than a year later, it is now released for consoles. This made me buy the game on release even though my computer barely can play it...

We have had PC-typical games like Wasteland 2 and Divinity Original Sin being released on consoles and Torment Tides of Numenera coming soon. Games that never would have been released on earlier consoles.

Possibly, although I think it would be difficult. Civ is usually pretty CPU dependant, so I'm not sure it's a good fit for current consoles. There are other issues as well of course. Maybe it depends on how well XCOM does. I will say that XCOM 2 ended up being a lot less PC centric than the devs were initially implying though.
 
Just pre-ordered it on Amazon, didn't see it on GOG, and Amazon is quite reliable for me.


There are signs that the game will be a bit imbalanced at launch, including questionably weak AI, capturing settlers getting you free settlers, advancing too fast across the tech trees with eurekas, and also wood chopping giving too much production, but the new systems just look like tremendous fun. I find myself complaining about the plays other players are making so there's no question I need to get the game. I wanna play and experiment with a culture-heavy game when I first start I think, which feels like far more active gameplay with constantly switching policies compared to science which now feels more military-focused.
 
Has there been any talk about UI changes and such to make it easier to play with a Steam Controller/TV setup? I know there is a Steam Controller bundle with the game, but I'm wondering if there any UI changes when playing on a TV?
 
The way they are letting people stream a preview build weeks in advance (plus locking a civ behind the pre order) has gotten me to pre order when I normally wouldn't.

Aztecs are not actually locked though. They become available for everyone after 90 days IIRC.
 
Been watching some people play the early build and its pure anguish. They miss goodie huts, and make bad decisions constantly. It pains me to my core and yet I can not look away.

Ah man, goodie huts are gone? That was pretty much my sole purpose for building an early scout.
 
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