What? It's pretty clear to me only one of these two is a buffoon. If you can't see that, YOU are the problem.
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What? It's pretty clear to me only one of these two is a buffoon. If you can't see that, YOU are the problem.
It was VERY close and within the margin of error. This is why a lot of the people I know were stressing people not to assume it was in the bag and just go and vote. This is why a lot of people are stressing Americans to make sure to get out and vote. Don't assume that the job is done and you can just sit home. There are some of us who legitimately live in places where your ideals and candidates aren't close (regular conservative vs insane conservative), but people still have to get out and actually vote.
Kid Kamikaze10
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Clinton's goal was to look more presidential. Show poise and temperment. And prove her point: that Trump has neither. She did that.
Trump's goal was to somehow overcome the insurmountable hole he dug himself in with key demographics in order to win. Oh and somehow look Presidential.
All he did was go full breitbart, which only appeals to the base.
In no shape or form did Trump win.
Trump's goal was to somehow overcome the insurmountable hole he dug himself in with key demographics in order to win. Oh and somehow look Presidential.
All he did was go full breitbart, which only appeals to the base.
In no shape or form did Trump win.
You are looking at one poll. Aggregates are where the truth generally lies, and there were more polls showing leave winning than remain in the last month.
Barack Lesnar
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Virtually no one in here will agree or admit it due to there being just a couple trump supporters left alive but Donald Trump won the debate and he won it handily. Media narrative shows this too. I loved seeing all the rage and crying last night from this thread. It was a sight to behold. The vitriol, insults and other awful crap said at him was pathetic. I'd never say those things about Hillary...because 1, i dont wanna lose my account and 2 I rather argue points and my opinions on the election and these candidates rather than lobbing insults at them.
NyMartin90
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I think alot of people in this thread are obviously for one side or the other, which is obvious in a political thread. I frankly don't like either candidate.
They both attacked each other least night but Donald got some bigger hits this time I think.
They both attacked each other least night but Donald got some bigger hits this time I think.
soundscream
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But since there was no crime that took place he would jail her for no reason. Seeing his position on the central park 5 I guess thats to be expected.
evilromero
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Oh, there's two buffoons alright but one of them isn't HRC.
If you start your day and run into a person you thought was an asshole, you met an asshole.
If you start your day and everyone around you are assholes, you're the asshole.
In no post did I make any insinuation that I was in agreement with Trump. I reacted to someone saying he would throw her in jail, for no apparent reason.
"This is the context" is all I said. Ya'll can lay off and stop putting words in my mouth now.
It's a blowback to globalization and internationalism, at least as its been implemented in supply side theory.
The American GOP has been a case study on winning at all cost to other conservative parties around the world.
These fucks were the architects of trickle down and free trade as its been implemented, yet they convinced a large number of people that they were not, and any problems are the brown/black people with accents that tuk ur jerbs.
Trump won... if you ignore what he said. Everything was a lie.
Most of the world is actually pretty damn happy
NHarmonic.
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Yeah dude, not the same level. Stop ignoring the qualities and life of service of hillary clinton. She's more than qualified to be president, and is really far from the ignorance and stupidity of trump.
ah, "I only stated that..."
why are you wriggling.
he'd put her in jail because she's a political opponent, not because of the godamn emails. and it's extralegal strongman bullshit because she's already been found to have committed no crime.
Yes, and this context was that he was threatening to jail her for a non existent crime, but you keep trying to spin it for some reason.
Barack Lesnar
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This right here...he got the bigger hits in.
Harper is miles better than Trump. Calling Harper insane is part of the reason why Trump exists and thrives. Because when you call normal conservatives like Harper or Romney crazy and dangerous instead of disagreeing with them, some voters won't believe you when a real nutcase like Trump is on the ballot.
excelsiorlef
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There was a huge swing towards Remain after Jo Cox, to the extent that even the Leave campaign didn't think they were going to win on the day of the vote.
The polls were swinging back towards Leave but there was never, ever a majority, which is why it was such a shock when the first results came in.
I agree that he won, but I think it was closer than you are saying. Big improvement over the last debate. I don't think it was a big enough victory to offset the tape on Friday though. Looking forward to this week's polls.
I thought most polls show a near tie for this debate?
Vox: Polls suggest Hillary Clinton won the 2nd presidential debate
Lights and Waves
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Buffoons? Wow, aren't you just so edgy! You tell 'em!!!
Manmademan
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Nearly 1 in 3 people in the country is a hard partisan that will back Trump no matter what happens.
This is a lot of people, and they tend to cluster together in areas without a lot of dissenting views.
benjipwns
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Individuals do not lose their rights when they act together.
Indeed, part of that First Amendment set of protections includes the right to peaceably assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Which when combined with press and speech protections makes an airtight case that Congress cannot make a law abridging the right of individuals assembling unlimited funds to publish political statements.
The two polls out show a Clinton victory. Lol "media narrative."
Those that are going to continue to support him are a special kind of crazy, so they're doubling down. A guy near me added about 10 signs to his lawn.
Mr. Giggles
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After last debate I notice Trump supporters are eager as fuck to change public perception that their guy won.
watching the debate right now and he is just babbling, interrupting and pacing.
Moderators are awesome though
watching the debate right now and he is just babbling, interrupting and pacing.
Moderators are awesome though
That's the point about margin of error though. The result was within the margin of error, and a majority of polls were showing Brexit winning, and those that weren't whoed it to be very tight and within the margin of error.
Everyone was hoping otherwise, but the result was not a huge failure of polling at all. It was a failure of better market predictions mind you (which is a bigger thing I think which ha been totally ignored) - the betting markets absolutely and completely failed to get the Brexit vote right. Again, I do wonder if people are conflating the two.
shinra-bansho
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Why are you trying (and failing) to contextualise dictatorial statements about political retribution?
Your assessment of last Canadian election is a little off. Despite dislike for Harper, at the start of the campaign there was a real fear that the left vote will end up being split between Liberals and NDP and Harper might squeak in. After all, Conservatives had more money and trigger longest campaign in history because of it. It felt like Harper had been running attack ads on Trudeau for nearly two years. Then came the fear of Muslims (and by extension immigrants) tack tick. This is were Harper fucked up. Left got its act together and coalesced behind Trudeau mainly because Liberals seemed to have more reasonable stance on variety of issues and Trudeau looked like a human compare to Mulcair in debates. As a result Liberals swept Atlantic Canada on their way from third place to majority government. Canada rejected the tack ticks used by Ukip and now Trump overwhelmingly. Western Canada is only part that didn't vote Liberals because they don't care for environment and taxes.
Barack Lesnar
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I will concede this...he won but not "handily" like I said in my post. I'm just feeling happy and used hyperbole there but he definitely won the debate. Big improvement. We have almost 30 days till election day so maybe the tapes will die down. If NBC really wanted to end his campaign they shouldve released this tape a week before the election.
wumster3000
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He lied about almost everything he said. If you don't look at that and the fact that he was about to erupt in the beginning coupled with the fact that he was pacing like a mad man, he won.
The two non-online polls we have show him losing and I'd be surprised if any of the upcoming ones have him winning. If they do, it will be a slim margin.
People say bad things about him because, forgetting his anemic policy explanations, he's actually a pretty vile dude. He's built an entire reality show career on being a vile dude that you either hate, or love to hate. He's running his campaign in much the same way. Normally someone who "tells it like it is" is really someone who says inflammatory things (truthful or otherwise) and ruffles feathers.
So it's completely understandable that people would have vitriolic reactions to Trump, especially coming off a tape of him advocating sexual assault.
Now, as for policy... Trump hardy had any substantive answers on this at all. So it's extremely difficult to comment on his policy. So, in the absence of any actual substance people will turn to the next best thing and the thing that has become popular in the new Social Media election, bagging on the person themselves. Made all the more easy when Trump is intentionally trying to be inflammatory.
Finally, as for who won... this debate was definitely closer, but most media outlets have Hillary winning over Trump, not the other way around. While many would agree that Trump performed better than expected, his expectations were very low because the last debate performance was abysmal.
GoldenEye 007
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Given this was a criminal investigation, it clearly means she was absolved because there were no charges. And that further proves that Trump would throw her in jail anyway because he's dictator lite.
The President is not supposed to have prosecutorial powers and is not to be involved in these decisions. She was cleared after a thorough investigation yet he still harps on jail.
If the FBI's overall conclusion was correct as you said, then the jail thing makes no sense and it instead becomes nothing more than a threat. Just like other implications Trump has made regarding her getting shot.
There are apparently 12-14 more tapes, which I imagine are going to be released closer to the election for that purpose.
Manmademan
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Most polls show Clinton winning that easily, but also showing Trump didn't do "as badly" as debate 1
NyMartin90
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I agree
Weird, Trump has no desire to do this.
I have watched some of his rallies, and all of the debates. He came off just as incoherent as he has at his worst events. To his base, this might seem suitable, but I would hope for the rest of the country, it shows how unhinged and vapid his talking points are.
ClosingADoor
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That is how it is interpreted now by the court, you're right about that. But the public disagrees with that. So I see no wrong in having the court have another look at it, and if they come to a different conclusion that is for the better I think.
If you follow the letter of the law, I can see your position. But I don't think the way it being used is in spirit with the law. Times change and that should be reflected in the law and interpretation of it.
Ha. That's fresh.
It's liberals fault trump is here? Not the Harper's and Romney's that lied through their teeth and appealed to the worst in people, cynically, to get to power?
Conservatives created this monster because it was useful when they could control it. They don't get to walk away while it's razing their home.
HawthorneKitty
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His hits did nothing to sway meaningful votes to his side. Time is against Trump and he squandered this second debate and only has 1 chance left.
Barack Lesnar
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I've read about that too...we'll see. Could be FUD. It would be smart to release this week if there are more.
Nothing we've seen so far shows him winning the debate. The two scientific polls so far say otherwise.
The only thing he won was by surpassing his very low expectations, especially after the tape, and not melting down on stage.
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