If you weren't peeking, then you're a cop who checked me or you're a modified cop (hider etc) who checked me.
The latter would work in ouro's favour.
Still think he's not being fully honest right now, though.
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If you weren't peeking, then you're a cop who checked me or you're a modified cop (hider etc) who checked me.
The latter would work in ouro's favour.
Still think he's not being fully honest right now, though.
What I'm saying is I can't findo a scum motivation for either Ouro or Zeke. But I can for Verelious.
Only way I can see Ouro fake claim widowmaker is we are in lylo.
Only way I can see Zeke fake claim widowmaker is we are in lylo.
And yet here we are ¯\_(ツ
_/¯(No I don't think this is lylo, but "the current situation is unexpected" is not a good excuse for ignoring it).
Only way I can see Ouro fake claim widowmaker is we are in lylo.
Only way I can see Zeke fake claim widowmaker is we are in lylo.
And yet here we are ¯_(ツ
(No I don't think this is lylo, but "the current situation is unexpected" is not a good excuse for ignoring it).
So why would either Ouro or Zeke fake claim? More so Ouro. If either of the two are scum, it's basically suicide on the long run.
SickReads aren't worth shit in comparison to a direct counterclaim. If you want to argue for Zeke over Ouro I'm all ears, but I won't be voting outside of those 2 today.
It was a one shot ability. I am no cop. But one of my abilities was that I could check someone for on night. I wanted to clear things up for us Cabot and chose you.
I don't know why either would fake claim, which points to some crazy roles that I'm not considering.
So you think Zeke would be that dumb?
Because you didn't say it, but this is exactly what your statement here actually means.
The Most logical explanation for fake claiming would be for Ouro and Verelious to be lynches towards each other, ala Disney Princess. In that case, lynching either one would lead to the other leaving the game.
However, if Ouro is telling the truth, then verelious is scum. So lynching verelious would in a sense test out both possibilities.
I just can't see Scum Ouro doing this, unless we have a doppelganger or something.
fran, are you willing to let the counterclaim go for another day (maybe someone vigi shoots one tonight, maybe not)?
Opinion of that in general? Who's lying? Who's telling the truth?
I am saying that Zeke is more likely to fuck that up than ouro, if one of the two were scum. But I don't really think either would be that dumb. I put emphasis on ouro because that's who you voted.
Forger. It think it was in Final Fantasy(?) where scum could create a fake role for someone, but that role would only show if they dies in the same night or following day.
Ie. Create a scum role PM, get that person lynched the next day, town is fucked until the forger flips (which might never happen).
So who was forged? It's not verelious who counter-claimed.
Wouldn't that make the game bastard?
In that scenario: scum-Ouro has put a fake role PM on Verelios so that he will appear as scum. That's why he needs him dead today more than Zeke.
That wasn't about the counterclaim. NOTHING (I can think of) explains fake claiming widowmaker in a game where a real widowmaker definitely exists. The fact that it doesn't make sense isn't really relevant though since we know it happened.
I already said I'm quite sure Verelious is lying about his power. The power is way too powerful, and feels like it was created to retroactively fit N1.
If Verelious flips town, we know Ouro was lying. Possible vigilante can shoot ouro during the night. Verelious had used his shot so it's just an ordinary loss.
If verelious flips neutral lynched and ouro as well, they both exit the game and we don't have to deal with this tomorrow at all.
If verelious flips scum, town gains great advantage with no n1 death and scum d2 lynch.
Err maybe? I don't remember if FF was labeled as bastard.
Yes it would probably be bastard, it was just one example of a role that partly explains the situation.
Haly, pls
I agree it feels retroactive, but not that it's too powerful. Its a watered down lightning rod.
If Verelios flips town, Ouro might be lying, or his investigation was tampered with (something Ouro doesnt even pretend to consider). If Verelios flips scum, Ouro is probably town.
But you get roughly the same implications (with a little more certainty) if we lynch Ouro first. He also might flip Widowmaker, in which case a potential vig should 100% shoot Zeke tonight.
Verelios being ordinary is the only point in favour of voting him. I still refuse to vote outside the widowmaker claims today.
Poor argument. It's as true for Ouro as it is for Verelios.
Same again.
"If Ouro flips scum, town gains great advantage with no N1 death and scum d2 lynch."
Why did you feel the need to pad your post with 2 paragraphs stating the obvious, one of which is true for literally every player in the game? ("If franconp flips scum...")
Oh right pardon me in a situation with definite lies between three people, pretty sure we can do better than mislynch a damn townie.
For the record that was just an example of a role that wouldn't be considered but fucks town up. I don't think we have a forger.
Ok so if Verelios flips scum then Ouro is the cop. But if Ouro flips scum then you're suddenly concerned about bussing. WTF Burb?
And why would scum avoid targetting neutral Ouro? They presumably don't know that he's neutral...
I'm more interested in the definite liar than the two possible neutrals. IDGAF about neutrals.
Lightning Rod stacks all killing and protective (and other) roles which usually results in no NK (at least early game). It also fucks up all the other roles which makes the next day kinda dull.
This role does "no NK" thing that Lightning Rod does but leaves everything else intact. The more I think about it the more it makes sense as an "improved lightning rod".
Only the convenience bothers me, but that can come down to luck.
For the bussing, the same thing applies to verelious flipping scum obviously. I only thought about it when posting about verelious, and I can't obviously edit my older posts.
If ouro is neutral, then verelious too is neutral (I think the neutral lyncher are almost always a pair). If verelious is town or neutral, the scum would know Ouro is lying (assuming ouro is not scum). So they don't need to target him, they could let town waste their time.
Archer. Seath was neutral lyncher targeting Archer, Eze was Archer (Town)
If scum uses a strongman, it would pass a lightning rod. But not a super duper doctor.
Citation needed.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
The wording verelious used in his claim sure made it sound that way.
Oh, well if it "sounds that way" in a second hand account then who am I to argue.
It's a "bulletproof everything" power. To me Strongman usually doesn't pass a bulletproof (I originally had it so in Pokémon mafia, but after rebalanced was it only changed).
Citation needed.
(I don't think I've seen a strongman target a bulletproof, but I never thought such a situation would fail.)
You should give a fuck when they derail the town conversation completely. Which is exactly what's happening if ouro and Verelious are neutrals.
Honestly though did anyone else make this assumption. I know Burb has played elsewhere and maybe it was a norm in his previous forum, but this sounds like a hell of a reach
Isn't that the point of a strongman? In Danny Phantom we needed ours to kill the neutral serial killer who was two shot BP.
My assumption is it falls down to each game mod's deliberation about it. I've seen multiple games where it fails, but that's on the old forum where I played, so it doesn't really matter here.