Barrylocke
Member
Believing a town protection power used saved Ouro + accusing Ouro of being scum = ???
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Overwatch Mafia |OT| Keep Your Vote On The Payload
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EzekelRAGE
Member
Not denying you lied about cop?
If he is anything that involves getting rid of ppl he is a danger to town since he will hit town more likely than not.
Xamtheking
Member
PROFIT
This is some "scum won but town had no idea" shit from the end of Batman Mafia
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
That's all you're gonna say?
Sorry for the spotty responses, I know it seems like I'm prodding for nothing but I am at work and would like to discuss this when I get home
Huh? Clearly me being protected earlier was a joke.
I'm not lying about being the cop. I don't see why I have to prove anything to you though, considering you are on my short list for scum.
Also, what? I already said I'm a cop - no "getting rid of people" here.
Barrylocke
Member
That's my point, it makes no sense at all. He's gotta be scummy.
Verelios? Yeah, I agree. Vote for him.
He did vote for Ezekel earlier.
oh BOY speak of the devil! A scum hunting partn...
Wait, maybe not. But my "bad vibes" man is good too.
VOTE:EzekelRAGE
Let's have fun, okay?
Not sure how to take that tho.
He did. I'm chalking it up to bussing for now (scum would, ideally, try to cover their bases on D1 by bussing someone - at least I would do it).
So you're saying that Verelios, Ezekel, and Barry all overplayed their hands right at the start of Day 2? Really?
That doesn't sound right to me.
EzekelRAGE
Member
No investigation because Amélie Lacroix doesn't have cop ability
So you're saying that Verelios, Ezekel, and Barry all overplayed their hands right at the start of Day 2? Really?
That doesn't sound right to me.
I'm not saying it was intentional - but all three are on my scum list.
Barrylocke
Member
For the record, why am I on the Yosuke list again, besides my lack of presence on day 1?
EzekelRAGE
Member
Ez way to figure out ouro's character. We all name claim and see who is missing?
Barrylocke
Member
Was this ever answered or did I miss it?
It means I an idea of what could've stopped a kill last night, but I can't verify it as such until later. Verelios' proposed Lucio ability is very wild compared to my simpler hypothetical explanation, Occam's razor and all that.
Regarding Ouro's claim... Well I joked that Widowmaker might be Cop because of Infrasight. I wasn't actually being serious but recall that Ouro said something along the lines of "my ability makes sense for my hero in a twisted Sorian kind of way". Widowmaker being Cop due to Infrasight fits that description (Widowmaker is a morally questionable assassin in the lore). Could Ouro be using my explanation as a cover? Sure. Widowmaker would also make sense for Lyncher (setting aside that Ezekel counterclaimed Widowmaker). I don't know how to process Ezekel's counter claim, by the way, nor Xam's pseudo-claim. I'm just considering Ouro/Verelios at the moment.
Gut read. But so far you haven't done anything to dissuade that feeling.
Ok, sure. Everyone else ok with revealing who they are, or should we just lynch Verelios and show that I'm right?
Barrylocke
Member
pseudo-claim? Where? I'm missing it.
Fair enough.
Revealing roles could be helpful for the Widowmaker thing I guess but Verelios is kind of a done deal.
I dislike singling out posts like this but this is pretty much a Lucio soft-claim:
Barrylocke
Member
Oh, I just took that to mean "That's bullshit", but I guess adding "let's clear it up" could make that a softclaim.
In an alternate universe where I never signed up, and Sorian composed a lengthy post-mortem about the game, and one of the first paragraphs started with:
I would not bat an eye.
why would I lie about this?
EzekelRAGE
Member
Let's make a deal. You are widow maker the cop, you die and prove it. I will gladly lay my head on the chopping block 2mrw and town can go down the rest of ur list.
Ok, Surrogate Verelios. Feel free to lynch me after your scumbuddy.
melonrabbit
Member
V should still be lynched first.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
EzekelRAGE
Member
1 of my abilities is usin my grappling hook to commute. 1 shot use sniper rifle and a 3rd thing I don't wish to say. All 1 shot.
V won't settle me vs Ouro. We would still have to deal with that. One of us has to be lying about widow and must be scum.
why on earth would we mass claim on D2?
Fine. How about this, like Fran said - we lynch Verelios.
He flips town, I get lynched
He flips scum, you get lynched
Seems like a fair deal, no?
EzekelRAGE
Member
Why are you so afraid for us to find out who you are?
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Because it was mentioned? I'm like...spot reading at work.
I'm not. See my proposal above. If you really think I am lying you should have no reason to not agree with it.
EzekelRAGE
Member
This is the scenario you have painted. You linked me and vere together for some reason. Idk if he is town or not. But what I do know is that you are not widow maker.
You die and you are wm - I die because I lied about WM n so does Vere since it would be believed I lied to protect him. Then continue with your list.
You die and aren't wm. - we get a clearer picture of ur motive. It's the most logical thing that has the least amount of possible town casualties.
No I'm talking about Verelios. Why would he claim to be Lucio if he wasn't? I feel like Xam's is a counterclaim but he hasn't specified as such so maybe I was getting ahead of myself.
EzekelRAGE
Member
Ouro has linked vere's flip to me when the reason I even started Ouro is because of ouro's lie. We can deal with vere next day phase. I can use my shot on him tonight and if that doesn't work we lynch him. Ouro flip gives more answers.
Verelios ties us together whether you like it or not. You are defending him here, indirectly. Here are the scenarios:
A) I am Widowmaker and a cop. I found Verelios to be scum
B) I am a cop, but not Widowmaker. I found Verelios to be scum, but I fake claimed for...whatever reason.
C) I am Widowmaker, but not a cop. What the fuck would I do this for?
D) I am lying out my ass. Again, why the hell would I do this? If I am scum, I'm just gonna get lynched tomorrow, and a 1-for-1 trade with town is not in scum's best interest. Even worse if I am bussing a teammate, since scum then loses 2 people for no fucking reason.
So A) and B) are the only feasible scenarios, both of which help town. I'm telling you it is A), but if you need to push B) for whatever reason suits your scum scenario, by all means do so.
A) I am Widowmaker and a cop. I found Verelios to be scum
B) I am a cop, but not Widowmaker. I found Verelios to be scum, but I fake claimed for...whatever reason.
C) I am Widowmaker, but not a cop. What the fuck would I do this for?
D) I am lying out my ass. Again, why the hell would I do this? If I am scum, I'm just gonna get lynched tomorrow, and a 1-for-1 trade with town is not in scum's best interest. Even worse if I am bussing a teammate, since scum then loses 2 people for no fucking reason.
So A) and B) are the only feasible scenarios, both of which help town. I'm telling you it is A), but if you need to push B) for whatever reason suits your scum scenario, by all means do so.
Barrylocke
Member
It should be be added as well that Ouro having cop status would mean Nin's status is questionable as well, since he said he investigated AbsoluteBro.
Agreed, but I'll burn that bridge when we deal with this one first.
Barrylocke
Member
...Or does it? Role Madness is a thing isn't it? I'm gonna have to read through these Overwatch characters where I want to or not aren't I? Blegh.
Fun Fact: I neglected to read what the plans were for this game, so I had no idea this was supposed to be role madness until it was mentioned at game start.
Fun Fact: I neglected to read what the plans were for this game, so I had no idea this was supposed to be role madness until it was mentioned at game start.
EzekelRAGE
Member
The only thing that I can think of is this is a mega bus. Vere scum flip gives you a blank ck. Mayb u figured wm had a shot and was worth lynching. A isn't possible since I am wm. B makes no sense with this being role madness.
Again, I am fine with getting lynched tomorrow if people think this is a bus. 1-for-1 is in town's interest. I'm town, so it works out just fine. If I was scum, I'm definitely screwing over my team.
A is the case here, so you can stop with the BS - especially since you are making up your abilities as you go along. What use does scum have with a commuter ability?
I'm not a Lyncher - if you need to lynch me first to prove it then fine, just get Zeke and Verelios next.
EzekelRAGE
Member
I'm cool with this. I thought the weak excuse you had for tunneling vere was that of a tunneling townie. But you lied about wm.
Of course you are fine with it. You're not on deck today. Town gets more information from lynching Verelios today rather than me. Lynching Verelios also determines what to do with myself and you tomorrow. And since I'm pretty sure what the outcome of that is, you're the one that should be worried.