Okay what did I miss
Okay what did I miss
This why we need to settle this today (me vs you)and vig(me or a possible other one) can handle vere or me depending on the result.Also, if we have a vig, feel free to shoot Zeke tonight after we lynch Verelios. It'll save us some discussion tomorrow.
Vere has nothing to do with your fake wm claim.Of course you are fine with it. You're not on deck today. Town gets more information from lynching Verelios today rather than me. Lynching Verelios also determines what to do with myself and you tomorrow. And since I'm pretty sure what the outcome of that is, you're the one that should be worried.
This why we need to settle this today (me vs you)and vig(me or a possible other one) can handle vere or me depending on the result.
Vere has nothing to do with your fake wm claim.
No. My claim, character-wise, is irrelevant to this discussion. I am the cop, I found Verelios to be scum. That's the main point here. We can deal with you next since you are falsely claiming Widowmaker to counter my claim to try and save your buddy. Verelios flipping scum tells us two things - I am telling the truth, and you are full of it. Let's say, in a fantasy world, that I flip something else - what does that tell us? Nothing. I'm town, whether you like it or not, so even if you were the real Widowmaker, it doesn't tell us anything.
Verelios' flip gives us more info than anything else.
You could be a Lynchburg who has to lynch vere. Vere could be scum, who knows. Your character claim wouldn't matter if you just claimed cop. But you made the character part of it wm you lied about who you character was. If it didn't matter then you wouldn't have lied about it. Vere flipping scum doesn't let us know the real widow.
But characters don't matter in this game according to Sorian. Who cares who WM is? All that matters is town and scum. I'm town, I saw that Verelios was scum. The fact that you are so earnestly trying to save him only leads me to believe that you are scum as well. Now, what hero you are, I have no idea- all that matters is that you and he are scum.
Current vote count, as Sorian is... I dunno, at a piano concert? Weird. Weird and lame.
If there are errors, please blame Sorian for not using the vote count tool, and let me know privately.
Wm matters because if you were town you wouldn't have lied about the character knowing that would possibly draw out a townie.
Unless of course Ouro has a secret killing power that requires the sacrifice of Verelios, raining down 10 deaths for night 2. But I want to be optimistic.
The fact that you keep ignoring me is all I need to know
Vote: Verelios
This is why you and I are tied to Verelios' flip. If he flips town, then I'm some sort of scum/neutral with a personal vendetta and no regard to my teammates' win condition. If he flips scum, then I'm working in town's interest and you have spent this evening defending scum.
Im not defending him though.
Thoughts on lynching me, proving I am wm and kynching Ouro next? Only real thing I have is 1 shot sniper so town won't lose much? Other two doesn't really help town too much. depending on his flip you can do vere next. But a town cop wouldn't lie about his character.
He went after Vere hard on D1, and Lynchers get the role name. So unless Vere dropped some massive role hint very early in the game, I'm inclined to disregard a Lyncher.
I'd be careful, because while I said my role made sense given the hero, the actual ability is definitely something Sorian came up with.
That was worded weird.
The basic gist of the ability is lore-friendly, but in practice it's been Sorian'd.
In case this is still on the table: fuck noEz way to figure out ouro's character. We all name claim and see who is missing?
In case this is still on the table: fuck no
If Ouro is lying I don't need to know his character that badly.
Also who is Amelie Lacroix or whatever that name was. Widowmaker? Another character? What?
Ok thanks, it kind of sounded like it from context but wanted to check.She is WM according to the lore
I think this was the worst vote I saw. Gives all the reasons that we should be voting Ouro, then votes Verelios because the role is weird.I'm bothered by this thunderdome. On the one hand, I don't believe for a second, that Zeke would try to save his scum partner as blatantly as to counterclaim Widowmaker, since that would basically mean sacrificing two scum the moment Ouro flips town. So I'm inclined to believe that Zeke is telling the truth.
But, why would Ouro claim a character that he knew would be counterclaimed? Seems really dumb thing to do.
On the other side, that power Verelious claimed seems down-right broken. Universal bulletproof, even if for one night? That seems too powerful to me, even unfairly so. And the reasoning Verelious gave to using his power on N1 seems half-baked, for sure. So I'm inclined to believe Verelious is lying too. And why would town lie in a situation like this...?
VOTE: Verelious
It's possible that Ouro is a lyncher, and Verelious is his target. That would make sense with Zeke. But even then, Verelious' claim feels like a lie.
Ok thanks, it kind of sounded like it from context but wanted to check.
Also I don't have a vig shot, so you're all free to vote. Although, if you do want to vote for Verelios you might have my vote tomorrow because what the fuck are you people doing??
VOTE: Ourobolus
We have two widowmaker claims. Lynch one.
Also several people have said he shouldn't have used it N1. Explain yourselves. N1 is the night most likely to have multiple deaths, and the night where doctor/roleblocker has the smallest chance of preventing a kill. Personally I wouldn't use that power N1 for information reasons, but if you cared more about saving lives it's the best time to use it.
Why can't we afford to lose an important role? 2 scum for 1 cop would be the best cop trade I've ever seen.Why? We lynch Verelios to prove Ouro (if he's town we don't lose an important role and he's sketchy as fuck) and if he flips scum we leave it to scum to kill Ouro tonight. If they fail or don't kill him we have two checks from our cop tomorrow.
This situation is weird af with the counterclaim and Verelios' weird ass role, but I really don't see the point of lynching someone who's claimed cop right away. Especially not when Verelios acted so scummy in response.
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Work in less than 4 hours so I doubt I'll vote, but I'm pro turboing Verelios today.
I read back and I don't really read Xam's posts as softing Lucio. He just seems suspicious of Verelios.Ouro claims he is a cop (Widowmaker) and that he investigated Verelios, who is scum.
Ezekel counter claims Ouro's role (Widowmaker) but not his ability.
Verelios claims he is Lucio, and was responsible for no deaths on N1.
Xam is claiming that Verelios is a liar, and may or may not have soft-claimed Lucio.
Now Ouro and Ezekel are arguing over who should be lynched first.
I think that's the jist of it. I'm going to bed.
Why can't we afford to lose an important role? 2 scum for 1 cop would be the best cop trade I've ever seen.
What about his reaction is scummy? He denies the claim - duh. He's sarcastic - that's Verelios. He claimed early - not the dumbest thing I've seen today.
Ouro has been far scummier. Zeke claims his supposed character and he has 0 interest. All he cares about is Verelios being lynched first. Never mind the possibility of switchers, miller, whatever.
And for everyone else it's even worse. Trusting Ouro's claim on top of the assumptions he's making. Only thing we know for a fact is there are 2 widowmaker claims. One of them lying, Ouro is far and away more suspicious than Zeke in this situation.
You really gonna make me claim? Really, over this? Fine, okay.
I swear, Ya'll are some of the most ungrateful people I've ever played with. I'm Lucio, once per game I'm able to bulletproof everybody for the night with a soundwave. You're motherfucking welcome
Oh, and good luck with that bullshit cop claim Ouro, especially since one, you called it 'sorian-ified' and two, breadcrumbed your power and it probably has shit all to do with investigation.
Are you saying there are 2 widowmaker in the game? Because those claims already happened.If verelious is telling the truth, it means he is basically am ordinary now. Scum will keep him alive as long as possible to keep him as a discussion topic.
But yeah. Why the hell would scum claim a hero they are not? What is the motivation to do this?