Trump refuses to commit to accept the results of 2016 Presidential Election

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jrh2 said:
I can see this going very badly. If he decides he doesn't want to go away, he'll start gathering crowds however he can and attempt to lead a revolution.
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Good luck with that.

When push comes to shove, 90% of the 101st keyboardists won't show up.

The few dildo militia that do will be smacked down hard and without problem.

We've seen this already. My only worry is lone wolves like McVey attacking innocent federal workers.
 
benjipwns said:
Has Hillary committed to accept the results? Why was she allowed to avoid the question?
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She was asked in the second debate, before trump, and immediately answered with a yes.

The entire reason Trump was asked this tonight, is because he last answer was to the effect of "The election is rigged, this is all so rigged, she is a crook, and let me tell you I'll do everything in my power to fight this crooked election. It's so crooked, so rigged. Nobody would ever believe how crooked this election is. So in answer to your question about whether or not I'd accept this crooked election's crooked outcome? Sure, maybe."

This was his do-over.

They softballed him a way to get out of his previously stupid statement and he doubled downed. Hillary didn't get asked the question again, because she gave a short, and concise "yes."
 
benjipwns said:
We're talking about Donald Trump here, not a revolutionary.
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This is a man who wants to be in the spotlight by any means necessary. I mean, he doesn't actually believe 90% of what he says on these debate stages, he's just playing a part because it's gotten him more attention than he's ever had in his life. When he loses he's not going to crawl back in his hole and die, he'll try to do something. Whether or not he'll be successful is another story.
 
ksharp said:
I don't even recall your question, mate.

Has Trump been formally charged, though? Hence the "so-called" as all we have right now are allegations I believe.
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They aren't fucking "allegations" when the words come right out of the person's mouth.

"I moved in on her like a bitch."
"I don't wait, I just kiss."
"Just grab her by the pussy."

You're despicable.
 
bishoptl said:
Jesus take the wheel
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Note that, when they asked Hillary originally if she'd accept the outcome of the election, I thought she didn't give a good enough answer because she said, essentially, "Yes. BTW donald trump is creep."

Which isn't a terrible answer, but "Yes, because I believe in the voters to make the right choice" would have been a better response.

Luckily Trump shit his pants on live TV twice in 3 elections so I don't have to worry about Clinton's answer not being complimentary enough.
 
Amir0x said:
Except of course the dozen or so times he has specifically referenced rigging of the polls and he mentioned busing dead people to the polls and a video that reportedly demonstrated the voter fraud you claim he never alleged?
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I just mean that in the debate, he characterized "rigging" as unfavorable media coverage. While I think he should have his feet held to the fire for comments made elsewhere, it's somewhat telling that he refuses to go down the conspiracy rabbit hole when he knows he's got 100 million eyes on him. He knows that shit won't fly with people that aren't Breitbart kooks. None of this is admirable, but when he loses in November and there's 100 million eyes on him again, I don't think he will resort to claiming fraud at the polls.
 
border said:
I just mean that in the debate, he characterized "rigging" as unfavorable media coverage. While I think he should have his feet held to the fire for comments made elsewhere, it's somewhat telling that he refuses to go down the conspiracy rabbit hole when he knows he's got 100 million eyes on him. He knows that shit won't fly with people that aren't Breitbart kooks. None of this is admirable, but when he loses in November and there's 100 million eyes on him again, I don't think he will resort to claiming fraud at the polls.
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He mentioned voter fraud at the debate.
 
benjipwns said:
Has Hillary committed to accept the results? Why was she allowed to avoid the question?

Why should we vote for someone who won't say whether or not she'll take office if she wins? And when she loses will she try to take office anyway? People are saying, I don't know, it's just what I've heard, a lot of people are talking.
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My memory can be faulty, but I'm pretty sure she already said she would accept the results of the election in the second debate.
 
texhnolyze said:
Revolt. Civil war.
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He said realistically.

jrh2 said:
This is a man who wants to be in the spotlight by any means necessary. I mean, he doesn't actually believe 90% of what he says on these debate stages, he's just playing a part because it's gotten him more attention than he's ever had in his life. When he loses he's not going to crawl back in his hole and die, he'll try to do something. Whether or not he'll be successful is another story.
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Oh, I'm sure he'll tweet about it. And be very successful, bigly so. The most successful.

TyrantII said:
We've seen this already. My only worry is lone wolves like McVey attacking innocent federal workers.
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I doubt the average Trump supporter can even comprehend McVeigh's grievances and weltanschauung. Let alone stick to it like he did.
 
border said:
I just mean that in the debate, he characterized "rigging" as unfavorable media coverage. While I think he should have his feet held to the fire for comments made elsewhere, it's somewhat telling that he refuses to go down the conspiracy rabbit hole when he knows he's got 100 million eyes on him. He knows that shit won't fly with people that aren't Breitbart kooks. None of this is admirable, but when he loses in November and there's 100 million eyes on him again, I don't think he will resort to claiming fraud at the polls.
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I don't think anyone is worried about a legit scenario where it's so close that people feel Trump could have won. The concern is entirely on his ability to continue stirring up radicals with the belief that the election might have been stolen from them. He might not resort to claiming fraud at the polls directly, but if he doesn't concede and continues to suggest that things were "not right" then the perception remains and there is damage to stability in general.
 
border said:
I just mean that in the debate, he characterized "rigging" as unfavorable media coverage. While I think he should have his feet held to the fire for comments made elsewhere, it's somewhat telling that he refuses to go down the conspiracy rabbit hole when he knows he's got 100 million eyes on him. He knows that shit won't fly with people that aren't Breitbart kooks. None of this is admirable, but when he loses in November and there's 100 million eyes on him again, I don't think he will resort to claiming fraud at the polls.
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He said that "millions" of people are registered who shouldn't be registered, and implied that was part of the fraud.

NPR transcript of his answer regarding accepting the results:

Donald Trump said:
I will look at it at the time. I'm not looking anything now I will look at it at the time. What I've seen, what I've seen it so bad. First of all the media is so dishonest and so corrupt and the pile on is so amazing that the New York Times actually wrote an article about it that they don't even care. It's so dishonest and they poison the minds of the voters but unfortunately for them I think the voters are seeing through it. I think they’re going to see right through it. We will find out on November eighth but I think they’re going to see through it.

Excuse me Chris if you look at your voter rolls you will see millions of people that are registered to vote, millions, this isn't coming for me this is coming from Pew Report and other places millions of people that are registered to vote that shouldn't be registered to vote so let me just give you one other thing. I talk about the corrupt media I talk about the millions of people I’ll tell you on other thing. She shouldn't be allowed to run. It’s -- she's guilty of a very very serious crime. She should not be allowed to run. And just in that respect I say it's rigged because, Chris, she should never have been allowed to run for the presidency based on what she did with e-mails and so many other things.
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KHarvey16 said:
He mentioned voter fraud at the debate.
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sonicmj1 said:
He said that "millions" of people are registered who shouldn't be registered, and implied that was part of the fraud.
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If he mentioned that extensively, then I recant. I was watching in a movie theater full of people, and the sound on the video feed went out a few times. It was annoying, but still worth it to watch the debate with 150 other Trump-haters.
 
border said:
If he mentioned that extensively, then I recant. I was watching in a movie theater full of people, and the sound on the video feed went out a few times. It was annoying, but still worth it to watch the debate with 150 other Trump-haters.
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It wasn't really extensive and he didn't elaborate much, but it was a reference to a claim he's made before (and which has of course been debunked) about dead voters who are still voting.
 
benjipwns said:
He said realistically.


Oh, I'm sure he'll tweet about it. And be very successful, bigly so. The most successful.


I doubt the average Trump supporter can even comprehend McVeigh's grievances and weltanschauung. Let alone stick to it like he did.
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Trump supporters at rallies have already talked about killing Hillary. He has the entire infowars audience behind him along with who knows how many bonafide conspiracy nut militias. Saying this is an incredibly dangerous situation is an understatement.
 
Kay so I know that when he says he won't accept the results it looks incredibly bad on him and the republican party as a whole, but what can he really do when election time comes and he doesn't win?
 
Sounds like political seppuku to me. He just as much admitted he has absolutely no regards for even the most basic democratic principles.

If he were ever chosen, he'd be just like all all those African 'leaders' who stubbornly refuse to give up their position in spite of whatever election result and even after they fucked up their country twenty times over.
 
Krejlooc said:
Note that, when they asked Hillary originally if she'd accept the outcome of the election, I thought she didn't give a good enough answer because she said, essentially, "Yes. BTW donald trump is creep."

Which isn't a terrible answer, but "Yes, because I believe in the voters to make the right choice" would have been a better response.

Luckily Trump shit his pants on live TV twice in 3 elections so I don't have to worry about Clinton's answer not being complimentary enough.
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...How would that be a better response? "Yes, I accept the outcome of the election because I believe in people to make the right choice" ... but what if they make the "wrong" one? Would that change anything? Would that suddenly make it not legitimate? What does whether they make the right choice or not have to do with anything? That would be a terrible addendum that would just come off as if she was saying the same thing as Trump--that she would only accept the results if she won. That might not be what you mean, but there's really no other way to interpret that or how it would be heard. I don't get how in any way "because I trust in voters to make the right choice" has any place in an answer regarding if you will honor the results of the election regardless of who wins, regardless of the choice they make.

This is especially baffling because you seem to understand Trump's gaffe here and why this is terrible, but you completely undermine it and miss the entire point of the question by then suggesting that as a better response. I don't get it.
 
BahamutPT said:
Serious question from an outsider: what can he realistically do after the results come in and he refuses to concede/accept them?
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He's talking up the idea of a rigged election to a group of conspiracy nuts who've been conditioned to horde guns to fight against the government.

Hopefully it doesn't come to anything, but he's tossing matches in a warehouse of fireworks.
 
ShironRedshift said:
...How would that be a better response? "Yes, I accept the outcome of the election because I believe in people to make the right choice" ... but what if they make the "wrong" one? Would that change anything? Would that suddenly make it not legitimate? What does whether they make the right choice or not have to do with anything? That would be a terrible addendum that would just come off as if she was saying the same thing as Trump--that she would only accept the results if she won. That might not be what you mean, but there's really no other way to interpret that or how it would be heard. I don't get how in any way "because I trust in voters to make the right choice" has any place in an answer regarding if you will honor the results of the election regardless of who wins, regardless of the choice they make.
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You are thinking too hard about what would have been merely a good PR sound clip. The reason it is better is because, in simple terms, it's saying "Yeah, our voters are smart." It's a good answer, because it is cordial and flattering, even to people who don't vote for her. You say "what if they make the wrong one?" What I posted is ambiguous purposely to not name "right" or "wrong."

It is literally the exact opposite of what trump said. Trump's answer was deeply suspicious of voters.
 
The only correct answer to a question to your commitment to the transfer of power is a solid Yes with no fluff. Clinton chose to follow it up with a punch but she did right by not adding useless words that would be interpreted in whatever fashion.
 
benjipwns said:
I doubt the average Trump supporter can even comprehend McVeigh's grievances and weltanschauung. Let alone stick to it like he did.
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But it ain't averages you need to worry about.

He's got the militia, nazi, and Aryan votes locked up. The ones crazy and violent enough to try something.

We're not worried about fat grandma saying she wants to kill Hillary.
 
duckroll said:
I don't think so because as far as I know legit presidential candidates from the major parties have pretty much always been politicians first and foremost. I could be wrong though. Once you're a politician, it makes zero sense to say something like this because if you won't accept a result that is a loss, the logic is simple - why would you accept the result if you win?
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This is probably true.

At the very least, anyone who wasn't a "traditional" politician was probably much more "politically" savvy than Trump is.
Stumpokapow said:
Not in modern times, but historically sort of.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1876#Electoral_disputes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_Commission_(United_States)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compromise_of_1877
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Somehow I forgot what a shitshow that election was. It's not an election that's given nearly enough time in history classes. Interesting stuff.
 
FlowersisBritish said:
Kay so I know that when he says he won't accept the results it looks incredibly bad on him and the republican party as a whole, but what can he really do when election time comes and he doesn't win?
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Whine about it.

Chumley said:
Trump supporters at rallies have already talked about killing Hillary. He has the entire infowars audience behind him along with who knows how many bonafide conspiracy nut militias. Saying this is an incredibly dangerous situation is an understatement.
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Oh no, not the infowars audience. We're already dead.

TyrantII said:
But it ain't averages you need to worry about.

He's got the militia, nazi, and Aryan votes locked up. The ones crazy and violent enough to try something.

We're not worried about fat grandma saying she wants to kill Hillary.
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The ones so crazy and violent they never actually getting around to doing much of anything ever? The ones we didn't need to worry about in 2008 and 2012 right? They weren't angry about one of the Presidential candidates winning then were they? No, of course, Trump losing an election he's trailed in for some time is obviously a much more offensive event.
 
Hey, why even have a democratic process then. If we had it Trump's way, he'd just "win" because that is "what he does." Kind of reminds me of evil and brutal dictators.

Trump, you are going to play by the rules and show your opponent and the american democratic process respect by admitting defeat when you are defeated. You already are a threat to our values, but this makes you a threat to democracy.

A vote for Trump is dangerous and reckless, and anyone that supports this piece of shit needs to be called out on their bullshit.
 
We all saw where this was going last week. Doesn't make it any less egregious, though.

No matter, the election outcome won't be up for debate when he gets demolished at the polls.
 
He can not accept the result all he likes, it's irrelevant. If he loses he loses, whatever toys he throws out of the pram aren't going to make a difference.
 
LOL there is no civil war coming. Trump supporters run their mouths and feel strong in large groups but they can't do shit to actually affect the country.

Could they hurt/kill someone? Sure, and that is fucked up but lets not mix that with thoughts of anything close to a war.
 
kmax said:
A vote for Trump is dangerous and reckless, and anyone that supports this piece of shit needs to be called out on their bullshit.
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What if they're trying to make sure he wins so he doesn't have to unleash his armies of darkness under the command of General Alex Jones?
 
I still can't believe people support him. He's threatening the very core of the Democratic government we've had for over 2 centuries.

I can't and won't respect anyone voting for him.
 
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