Trump refuses to commit to accept the results of 2016 Presidential Election

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I just hope people aren't freaked out about it too much.

His followers are dangerous, but that coward won't do shit. The last thing he wants to do is spend time in a jail cell.

He'll just be like "It was rigged! Oh well, back to my old lifestyle. My speaking fees have quintupled btw."
 
Vyse24 said:
Well you know what that means
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looooooooooooool
 
Tagyhag said:
I just hope people aren't freaked out about it too much.

His followers are dangerous, but that coward won't do shit. The last thing he wants to do is spend time in a jail cell.

He'll just be like "It was rigged! Oh well, back to my old lifestyle. My speaking fees have quintupled btw."
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If something terrible happens to anyone on Election Day, he might be held responsible.

What he said about this isn't going to go away overnight.
 
What a fucking sore loser man baby. Just accept that you are 99% likely to lose, and would be 100% if a statistician could commit to that probability
 
So, what am I missing here. If he's out-voted, what could he do? Could he somehow have the power to hold it off? Recount until everyone forgets how to count?
 
brandonh83 said:
So, what am I missing here. If he's out-voted, what could he do? Could he somehow have the power to hold it off? Recount until everyone forgets how to count?
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No. The fear is he will incite a portion of the mentally ill half of his supporters into doing something about it.
 
brandonh83 said:
So, what am I missing here. If he's out-voted, what could he do? Could he somehow have the power to hold it off? Recount until everyone forgets how to count?
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Tactically he could put the presidential race in a stand still and the governments more or less. If it's accepted.

Regardless of that fairy dust, no he can't do shit.
 
As much as I would like an unexpected landslide, I hope that election results match polling results almost perfectly. That would leave pretty much no room for Trump to claim fraud.
 
brandonh83 said:
So, what am I missing here. If he's out-voted, what could he do? Could he somehow have the power to hold it off? Recount until everyone forgets how to count?
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He gets to go around telling people he actually won, like John Kerry does:
In 2004, when Kerry lost the Presidential race to George W. Bush, who is widely considered the worst President of the modern era, he refused to challenge the results, despite his suspicion that in certain states, particularly Ohio, where the Electoral College count hinged, proxies for Bush had rigged many voting machines.
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After flattering Abdullah for his strength and importance in the country, Kerry said, “I will share with you a very personal experience: When I ran for President of the United States, in 2004, against George Bush, in the end, on Election Day, we had problems in the state of Ohio on how the votes were taking place. I even went to court in America to keep polling places open to make sure my people could vote. I knew that even in my country, the United States, where we had hundreds of years of practicing democracy, we still had problems carrying out that election. The next afternoon, I had a meeting with my people, and I told them that I did not think it appropriate of me to take the country through three or four months of not knowing who the President was. So that afternoon in Boston I conceded to the President and talked about the need to bring the country together. . . . One of the main lessons from this is there is a future. There is a tomorrow.”

Several days later, Abdullah Abdullah conceded and joined the Afghan government.
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Dr.Acula said:
Remember the occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge earlier this year? Where a bunch of yahoos with guns barricaded a government building in Oregon? Imagine that happening in like 20 different places in the week following the election.
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wow, 20 shacks in bumfuck nowhere being taken over by angry rednecks. i am outraged
 
border said:
As much as I would like an unexpected landslide, I hope that election results match polling results almost perfectly. That would leave pretty much no room for Trump to claim fraud.
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"Folks, this election was so rigged, and this crooked party and media so arrogant, that they told us all what outcome they were going to give us before anyone even voted. How could they know it before Election Day? Because it was rigged. You know, I know it, everyone knows it."
 
Really not a big deal.

Who would expect better from him?

We already went through the contested election of 2000 between Gore and Bush, and many people still feel it was stolen. It did not end the country, and despite animosity and debate between both sides, once it was decided most people moved on.
 
Certainly one of the lowest points of the debate for Trump and Hillary had a great response to it, especially bringing up how often he has "lost" at something and then calls it rigged. That was a knockout punch since it painted Trump as such a sore loser. Then Trump's fucking ego made him have to mention how he should have won the Emmy, basically confirming what Hillary was saying.

He may love playing to conspiracy theories and rallying people around being a sore loser when he is at a rally of his supporters, but I can't see how the average person, the undecided voters, don't see through it and don't see how petty and childish he is.
 
C4Lukins said:
Really not a big deal.

Who would expect better from him?

We already went through the contested election of 2000 between Gore and Bush, and many people still feel it was stolen. It did not end the country, and despite animosity and debate between both sides, once it was decided most people moved on.
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Gore did not stoke the flames of rebellion over being a sore loser. He conceded gracefully and moved into private life.

We should expect better of him because he is a fucking presidential nominee.
 
C4Lukins said:
Really not a big deal.

Who would expect better from him?

We already went through the contested election of 2000 between Gore and Bush, and many people still feel it was stolen. It did not end the country, and despite animosity and debate between both sides, once it was decided most people moved on.
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Democrats in 2000 supporting Gore are not like republicans in 2016 supporting Trump. I don't think ending the country is an outcome we should consider but there is a not-insignificant potential for violence or unrest, even if it is isolated.
 
SlickShoesRUCrazy said:
One of my right wing acquaintances is complaining about Clinton talking about the confidential time to initiate a nuclear strike.

Can't find anything about that?
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apparently some morons think it was "confidential" information when she said there are 4 minutes between the president giving the order and when those that actually turn the keys to launch the strike

just dumb shit talking points for dumb shit people
 
He has some great campaign advisors. This only strengthens his "fuck the establishment politicians" even more, and this will only makes his fan base like him more. Whether it's enough to be president... As a European I remain hopeful that, surely, the majority of a country of over 300 million people can't share his views.
 
Regginator said:
He has some great campaign advisors. This only strengthens his "fuck the establishment politicians" even more, and this will only makes his fan base like him more. Whether it's enough to be president... As a European I remain hopeful that, surely, the majority of a country of over 300 million people can't share his views.
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Looking at the polls, it is absolutely not enough to win a general election.
 
If there is any violent action after election day, I honestly don't see any way for him to distance himself from it.

I mean seriously...
 
Regginator said:
He has some great campaign advisors. This only strengthens his "fuck the establishment politicians" even more, and this will only makes his fan base like him more. Whether it's enough to be president... As a European I remain hopeful that, surely, the majority of a country of over 300 million people can't share his views.
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Trump is currently far behind in the polls. The Trump faithful are not enough to win, and he continues to alienate everyone outside of white evangelical men.

Also, only around 60% of people eligible to vote will do so.
 
Regginator said:
He has some great campaign advisors. This only strengthens his "fuck the establishment politicians" even more, and this will only makes his fan base like him more. Whether it's enough to be president... As a European I remain hopeful that, surely, the majority of a country of over 300 million people can't share his views.
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He really doesn't. The more he appeals to his base, the more he loses the larger group of even-keel moderate voters.
 
So if Clinton wins and Trump doesn't concede defeat and calls the election rigged and a sham, what do we expect of Trump supporters? Will Clinton winning beat their spirits down? Or will it galvanize them to take to the streets in mass riots, probably turn to violence? An increase in armed white militias? Martial law?

In my country a guy like Trump and his supporters would've been locked up and put on a military tribunal for sedition.
 
Aaron Strife said:
Gore did not stoke the flames of rebellion over being a sore loser. He conceded gracefully and moved into private life.

We should expect better of him because he is a fucking presidential nominee.
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No but the country went through a real crazy period where a lot of people did not feel our elected leader actually won.

The case that Trump may present that the whole election was rigged, has happened before. Maybe not by the loser themselves, but by people close to or supporting said candidate.

JFK and Bush Jr. are the most recent examples.

What I am saying is it does not matter. If Trump concedes after all of this, are his crazy followers going to toe the line and suddenly come to their senses?

I mean they are voting for Trump, they are already on the fringe of reality.
 
Trump built his political career by denying the legitimacy of our first black President, and he's going to end it trying to delegitimize our first female President. He's a despicable person, racist and misogynistic to the core, and he's doing tremendous damage to the country. He embodies and champions the worst of America.

The only solace I take from this is, the GOP as a national party is going to be damaged for a generation, if not longer, for letting Trump get so close to the Presidency and be their standard bearer. What happened to California in the 90's is happening all across the country.
 
benjipwns said:
You don't need a majority of those 300+ million to become President. Or even a plurality.
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You don't? Unless of course people vote for a third or fourth party, but I've been told a lot of people consider them "wasted votes".

quik ed: And obviously only those eligible to vote, so yeah not 300 million in that case then.

OrangeGrayBlue said:
He really doesn't. The more he appeals to his base, the more he loses the larger group of even-keel moderate voters.
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Trump had moderate voters? As far as I can recall his views were extreme from the start, I that's the main reason he even got this far.
 
GhaleonEB said:
Trump built his political career by denying the legitimacy of our first black President, and he's going to end it trying to legitimize our first female President. He's a despicable person, racist and misogynistic to the core, and he's doing tremendous damage to the country. He embodies and champions the worst of America.

The only solace I take from this is, the GOP as a national party is going to be damaged for a generation, if not longer, for letting Trump get so close to the Presidency and be their standard bearer. What happened to California in the 90's is happening all across the country.
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What happened to California in the 90's? Legitimately don't know.
 
GhaleonEB said:
Trump built his political career by denying the legitimacy of our first black President, and he's going to end it trying to legitimize our first female President. He's a despicable person, racist and misogynistic to the core, and he's doing tremendous damage to the country. He embodies and champions the worst of America.

The only solace I take from this is, the GOP as a national party is going to be damaged for a generation, if not longer, for letting Trump get so close to the Presidency and be their standard bearer. What happened to California in the 90's is happening all across the country.
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I can't wait till he starts accusing Hillary of being born in Canada. Or something.
 
KHarvey16 said:
"Folks, this election was so rigged, and this crooked party and media so arrogant, that they told us all what outcome they were going to give us before anyone even voted. How could they know it before Election Day? Because it was rigged. You know, I know it, everyone knows it."
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We are all Trump surrogates now.

Seriously though, I hope for the landslide, regardless of what happens we can be sure Trump will claim it was rigged unless he wins.
 
Sijil said:
So if Clinton wins and Trump doesn't concede defeat and calls the election rigged and a sham, what do we expect of Trump supporters? Will Clinton winning beat their spirits down? Or will it galvanize them to take to the streets in mass riots, probably turn to violence? An increase in armed white militias? Martial law?
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The same thing that happened when Obama stole the 2012 election and when W. Bush stole two elections.

Sijil said:
In my country a guy like Trump and his supporters would've been locked up and put on a military tribunal for sedition.
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That doesn't make your country sound very good.

GhaleonEB said:
Here's a good look back. Short version, a Trump-style candidate turned Hispanics against the GOP and they never recovered.
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Pete Wilson is hardly a Trump-style anything. Unless we're ascribing political opportunism to "Trump-style" now.

But something bigger was in play that fall – something big enough to convert Wilson’s 15-point win in 1994 to a 20-point shellacking for Lungren.

The answer: women.

According to Field Institute exit polls, Wilson carried the women’s vote by 7% in 1994; Lungren, who built his campaign’s identity around his pro-life abortion stance, lost the women’s vote (over half the electorate) by 25%. That translates to about 1 million women marching away from the GOP.
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Regginator said:
You don't? Unless of course people vote for a third or fourth party, but I've been told a lot of people consider them "wasted votes".

quik ed: And obviously only those eligible to vote, so yeah not 300 million in that case then.
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You don't even need a majority of voters. The Presidential election is decided by electoral votes. Each state has a number of electoral votes correlating with population, and almost every state has a winner-take-all system where whichever candidate wins the popular vote in that state gets all the state's electoral votes. A candidate who gets the majority of electoral votes (270) wins; if no candidate gets 270, the House of Representatives chooses which candidate becomes President.

Under the system, it's possible to win the popular vote and lose the electoral vote. In 2000, Al Gore won the popular vote, while George W Bush managed to get a majority of electoral votes. 2000 was an absurdly close election; based on the recount and assuming no foul play, Bush won the popular vote in Florida (and all of Florida's electoral votes) by only 537.
 
benjipwns said:
The same thing that happened when Obama stole the 2012 election and when W. Bush stole two elections.
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Don't know, the right wing in the US seems much more violent prone than before, Trump and his supporters are openly rebelling against the GOP.


benjipwns said:
That doesn't make your country sound very good.
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It's a sectarian hellhole where the smallest provocation from a party leader against another could set off a civil war, anti sedition laws here are serious.
 
GhaleonEB said:
Here's a good look back. Short version, a Trump-style candidate turned Hispanics against the GOP and they never recovered.
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I'm not very educated in US affairs, much less Californian ones, but doesn't Cali have a relatively huge amount of Hispanic people, and I think non-white in general? Trump would've been crushed there as well, but since these elections are nationwide I think maybe that's why he's come as far as he has.
 
Regginator said:
I'm not very educated in US affairs, much less Californian ones, but doesn't Cali have a relatively huge amount of Hispanic people, and I think non-white in general? Trump would've been crushed there as well, but since these elections are nationwide I think maybe that's why he's come as far as he has.
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Would have? He's going to get crushed in Cali yeah.
 
Fucking disgraceful. The guy's ego is going to hurt an entire country even if he loses.
I hope those shitbags Giuliani and Christie have enough sense to try to get him to move on after the election.
 
Machina said:
How is this shit not counted as sedition? Seriously, how?
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It's funny that your answer to this apparent problem are sedition charges, something we basically haven't done in 50 years except for overt acts because we recognize how insane and anti-republican it is. One reason we've also mostly eliminated the laws twice before.

A Democratic President arresting a Republican presidential candidate (and his supporters according to others in this thread) on sedition charges for refusing to admit he ever loses (money, elections, women, whatever) certainly wouldn't make things appear rigged to those supporters.

Regginator said:
Yes of course but I meant something akin more of a local election, maybe campaigning to be a mayor or something.
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He'd probably do better running for Mayor. Smaller voter base. Smaller scale election campaign.
 
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