AsylumBlue
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That's already offset by all the defensive handheld warriors when anyone dares bring up the potential for a console "Monster Hunter." CHECKMATE, HANDHELDISTS!
Capcom wants to grow Monster Hunter in West, feels handhelds are limiting sales there
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That's already offset by all the defensive handheld warriors when anyone dares bring up the potential for a console "Monster Hunter." CHECKMATE, HANDHELDISTS!
Glass Rebel
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Good Guy Gone Bad
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True. The success of any game is dependent upon more variables than the success of the platform it's released on. This point is also completely unrelated to Capcom's initial point about growing the series beyond it's current base and more success in the west.
Clearly a theoretical MH game on a theoretical PS4 will have to play to the systems strengths, be marketed well, be well received, fun to play, etc.
There's no reason to believe that a PS4 MH won't have those things.
DrROBschiz
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Im so ready for the the future where we dont need to have these discussions anymore
Be it on switch, ps4 or both
I imagine the new complaints will be gameplay and mechanics related going forward
I already feel like XX is getting a little mechanics crazy
Hell X was already a little broken
Be it on switch, ps4 or both
I imagine the new complaints will be gameplay and mechanics related going forward
I already feel like XX is getting a little mechanics crazy
Hell X was already a little broken
Glass Rebel
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Ah yes, "potential". You're kidding yourself if you think that's even close to what has happened in the last few years concerning MH in the West.
AsylumBlue
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It'd be great if it were being ported down to the Switch, not the other way around. This is assuming they're actually going all out, of course.
They might've jumped ship but 3rd parties had (minimum) 71 million sellers on Wii over it's lifecycle and sold over half a billion games total at retail. And evidently that "doesn't mean much".
I do wonder what the PS4 3rd party stats are for comparison?
DrROBschiz
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Who knows
Capcom saying all this shit certainly stirs up the mixed emotions among MH fans for sure
Im just glad we already know about the Switch at this point
I feel like they plan on diversifying again rather than just locking themselves down
Even if the series stays Nintendo exclusive there is still a net benefit to the community as a whole with the Switch
Capcom saying all this shit certainly stirs up the mixed emotions among MH fans for sure
Im just glad we already know about the Switch at this point
I feel like they plan on diversifying again rather than just locking themselves down
Even if the series stays Nintendo exclusive there is still a net benefit to the community as a whole with the Switch
Psycho_Mantis
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DragonBall, Naruto, Souls, Bloodborne, FF Type 0 HD, SFV, MGSV, RER2, Tales overseas sales are fine as well. You clearly don't know what you are talking about.
As soon as I saw the title I had a hunch the thread would be taken over by Nintendo fans going into hysterics at any suggestion of MH titles appearing on PS4. Thread delivered.
Personally I don't think it matters what platform it appears on, as I don't believe there's anything Capcom can do to make Monster Hunter into a series of any significant popularity in the west. May as well stick with what works and just take whatever Nintendo pays them for the series and keep it on their platforms imo.
Personally I don't think it matters what platform it appears on, as I don't believe there's anything Capcom can do to make Monster Hunter into a series of any significant popularity in the west. May as well stick with what works and just take whatever Nintendo pays them for the series and keep it on their platforms imo.
Bamboo 竹
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I hope that more people can experience the feeling of playing Monster Hunter so if it goes multiplatform is fine for me.
sir_bumble_bee
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This is why I believe Switch and PS4 is what Capcom seems to be implying here. Switch is a no-brainer, and they may also want to take advantage of PS4's install base overseas
Herb Alpert
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You see, that's what depresses me.
It begins with "make MH multiplat" and that I have no problem with at all.
And quickly some morons will show up with "make it exclusive to PS4 cause it is limited by the Switch".
And of course, everyone knows that this is a franchise that relies heavily on graphics.
I already named DB and Souls. BB isn't 3rd party. RE and Tales sold more on Wii overseas. FF and Naruto might've too actually. SFV sales are not "fine".
I'll give you MGSV I guess.
In the first place, it was Nintendos Marketing in the West what pushed MH to its current status.
Sorry I wasn't being serious, just letting you know that's still an anecdote.
I should have clarified that I was asking for someone to ask you those things because, one of the most embarrassing things I've seen on this forum is when there is a thread for a survey and in the article there is a link for the survey with all the details on how it was done. What the population was, what the sample size was, mean, variance, standard error, there's a lot of variables to a survey, they could have been doing a t-test, two sample t-test, ANOVA, tests involving multivariates.
And yet, if the survey had something to do with gaming where it was found that women played games more than men. I'd see a lot of posts from people saying that a sample size of 200+ is too small. (It's hilarious if one person says it, it is disastrously sad if 20+ people say it, which is at least a minimum to get a sample size on. lol)
I remember two threads that had that, one was to do with women owning more consoles than men in the US. Another was for Japan that was something gaming related where the survey results skewed towards women.
I'm going off-topic so I'll just leave it at that.
Back to the point of SFV regaining its legs, they better advertise the shit out of the Season 1 compilation disc (assuming that they do one). And while we know that Arcade Mode is coming thanks to dataminers, don't bother releasing the disc until said Arcade Mode is ready to go. Mode-wise, that's literally the only other thing that casuals harp on the game over (besides stuff like netcode, roster size, etc.).
Psycho_Mantis
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Either you're being deliberately obtuse or like my previous post stated, there seems to be some lack of knowledge. Third parties did not have the success they wanted in terms of their core franchises with Wii, especially in a sustainable manner or one that undermines the decision of PS360. This is true for nearly every third party you mentioned there. The audience for the Wii was very different to the PS360 audience.
I already named DB and Souls. BB isn't 3rd party. RE and Tales sold more on Wii overseas. FF and Naruto might've too actually. SFV sales are not "fine".
I'll give you MGSV I guess.
So pretty much every major JP release on the PS4 then
At this stage I'm going to call you out on your bullshit and ask you to provide me with the sales figures.
DrROBschiz
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Ive been scratching my head as to why they waited so long to take advantage of the PS4 install base
Since its the same reason people kept defending the 3DS choice in Japan
I think its a combo deal of "well we can make 3DS games work in the west if we put in online"
They banked on the conservative route and Nintendo marketing which... ya know worked just fine based on MH4U and MHX sales in the west I suppose?
Now that 3DS is on its way out we finally get an acknowledgement of the PS4 Global numbers
I mean, paying against Switch port is way of putting something of a pillow over baby Switch's mouth in the crib whereas there's little strategic value to excluding XBOne.
Making MH 'exclusive' to Sony in Japan is a way of reducing appeal of Switch and lowering its potential sale and therefore draw to other Japanese third parties such as might consider porting PS4 games to Switch for portable sales. Buying MH is probably the most effective thing Sony could do (or buying DQ).
That Switch still will have Nintendo, Pokemon, and DQ...well it'd still have giants, but losing MH would be a definite blow.
Yeah Square announced DQ10/11 for Switch before reveal, and KT announced Nobunaga's ambition for Switch after reveal. If I were Nintendo and knew Capcom has MH ready i'd ask them to announce the existence.. But maybe Nintendo is waiting for January for the bang so we'll wait and see.
AsylumBlue
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They should make it for as many platforms as is viable. PS4/PC is a no-brainer, and the Switch shouldn't have a problem running it with lesser assets. The only way I can see it being exclusive to the PS4 is if Sony throws them a bunch of cash to ensure they won't take a big hit if the endeavour fails. I think we've seen that Sony is open to allowing a PC version of titles they help market, at least.
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Subspecies pack #2 - $4.99/£3.99
Contains quests for Green Congalala, Red Khezu, Tigerstripe Zamtrios, and Green Nargacuga.
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Contains quest for White Fatalis.
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DrROBschiz
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It is a little sad that they dont have an XX port ready for Switch in the launch window
At least based on current information
Still seems a bit farfetched. Sony already has a great amount of Japanese third party support, what would they have to gain by killing the Switch before it starts?
The rumor of Sony paying off Capcom also mentions Capcom is making portable versions that include the Switch anyway. What's more, the one that Sony is preventing from being on the Switch (allegedly) is meant to appeal to the west rather than Japan.
Yeah, january will give us a better picture, if MH is going to appear on Switch they probably will announce that in the reveal.
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Oh you dont fucking say Capcom. Monster Hunter used to be one of my favorite series, until i got frustrated we couldnt get the series off engines not past the Wii generation.. had enough visual stagnation. There is also so much a concept like Monster Hunter could do with powerful tech that would not be possible in Wii esque gen tech.
So i moved on from the series years ago.
So i moved on from the series years ago.
Sammy Samusu
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The rumor said MH5 will be exclusive to PS4.
You are the one making me laugh here. I gave you my reasoning and you failed to counter argue.
DrROBschiz
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Its such an odd rumor
We had similar rumors of a deal with Nintendo to lock the series to 3DS that were never substantiated
Hard to say and these companies have yet to publicly disclose such deals
I wouldnt worry much about any of it and just wait for official announcements
Why would capcom have any responsibility for a platforms success? They aren't a 1st party, they can release games anywhere they want and they should always release games on the platform with the biggest potential success. Switch is not a platform that can compete with the PS4 any time soon in the coming years.
If nintendo gives them a money hat, then that's a different story.
Glass Rebel
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If you're seriously discussing that 4ch rumour as something that is even remotely real you're a complete idiot. There's no other way to say it, sorry.
MH5 might show up on PS4, it might not. That greentext is still absolute bollocks.
MH5 might show up on PS4, it might not. That greentext is still absolute bollocks.
Vital Tundra
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It'll come on Switch. The game has only just gotten really popular in the west due to the Nintendo handheld entries. I don't see it doing well on consoles in general to fan bases largely unaware of Monster Hunter. It could do great on PC, but it sure about PS4/XBO.
Herb Alpert
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Is Each 4chan rumor taken as seriously as when it involves monster hunter on PS4?
The Wii gen was a tough nut to crack for 3rd parties. Upfront they'd already sunk too much investment in 360/PS3 to really reconfigure so Wii got mostly quick side games while the main effort still went to the far less successful HD systems and as a result core games and their audience never really migrated to the market leader as in previous generations
Essentially 3rd parties got out of Wii more or less what they put into it. For core games that wasn't especially encoraging I'd agree, on both ends of the equation. On the other hand I'd also argue Japanese 3rd parties have sunk significant effort into PS4 with worryingly little result from it. PS4 just isn't their future although they seem determined to go down with it in many cases for whatever reason.
Sho_Nuff82
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Put it on PC or a console with a decent online service and I might try it. And none of this MonHun Online crap.
We have no idea what is happening behind the scenes. It pretty much is Monster Hunter: The Console. Just the two Joy-Con per unit alone is just that. Four people playing MonHun on two Switches during their lunch break makes way more sense than basketball at a basketball court.
DriftingSpirit
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lol
It's most likely going to go to Switch.
Capcom has repeatedly shown that they don't want to engage with a high fidelity version of Monster Hunter while the online version of the game exists (and is quite different from the mainline series in a number of ways, at this point).
I'm fine with that. They have always succeeded to pack the (G) versions of the games with quite a bit of content. I imagine that being able to focus on a lower fidelity in terms of graphical model presentation has been a boon for them, in that regard.
Looking forward to seeing either MH5 or Double Cross on Switch. I skipped out on a New 3DS and the original Cross suffers for it on my aging 3DS.
Capcom has repeatedly shown that they don't want to engage with a high fidelity version of Monster Hunter while the online version of the game exists (and is quite different from the mainline series in a number of ways, at this point).
I'm fine with that. They have always succeeded to pack the (G) versions of the games with quite a bit of content. I imagine that being able to focus on a lower fidelity in terms of graphical model presentation has been a boon for them, in that regard.
Looking forward to seeing either MH5 or Double Cross on Switch. I skipped out on a New 3DS and the original Cross suffers for it on my aging 3DS.
Exactly.
Getting MH on their platform was always going to be a win-win situation for Sony, it was only a matter of convincing Capcom to do so. And with the Switch being a unknown quantity, the PS4 veing very successful and the 3DS going into retirement, this is the perfect opportunity for them. I doubt Sony had a hard time convincing Capcom here, especially as they are paying the bills for development.
I know, that's what I meant when I was talking about what Nintendo pays for the series. It's an arrangement that seems the safest bet for Capcom to stick with.
I already named DB and Souls. BB isn't 3rd party. RE and Tales sold more on Wii overseas. FF and Naruto might've too actually. SFV sales are not "fine".
I'll give you MGSV I guess.
Can I see some verification of those claims you're making?
YuriLowell
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I loved Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate on the Wii.
Bought 4 Ultimate on the 3DS and just couldn't deal with the small screen.
Bought 4 Ultimate on the 3DS and just couldn't deal with the small screen.
Psycho_Mantis
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Your reasoning? Was it the series of invalid assumptions or having basis from a 4chan rumour?
Not sure why you act oblivious when it was clear that I am putting no value into that rumour.
Core audience thrived on PS360 and this was clear from the beginning. Third parties simply invested into the platforms that had their audience and were going to last and looking back, they made the right decision.
Once again show me the sales figures that contradict what many major third parties have been saying and doing by placing their future games on PS4. SE has talked about their success on PS4, TK has talked about it, NB and Konami's case is evident enough and Capcom has also found moderate success.
Joy con alone hasn't enough buttons
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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I'm impressed that it's as popular as it is now. There's a lot of arcane knowledge to MH, and sharing information and cooperating locally via ad hoc multiplayer is why MH is what it is and what gave it it's appeal.
If this is true then it should prevent potential loss on marketshare and library, by preventing Japanese third parties going to Switch. Not saying Sony would do that though.
However if Toyo Keizai's report is true and Sony is doing the same thing Nintendo did then Ninty is pretty fucked next gen.
Perhaps, moving that support out of cross generation on to full on PS4 development to bring it more in line with western expectations?
If Switch takes off and Japanese third parties go multiplatform, Switch as leading SKU makes sense for more Japan focused games. Sony, I'd imagine, would prefer Japanese games to focus home console, focus western audience and accept the dwindling presence of consoles in Japan.
Sony is well served by a moribund Japanese market where PS4 is the place to put out games in Japan because there is no better place to do so. Sony can then focus on marketing to West and Asia using, among other things, Japanese software to do so.
Meanwhile, Nintendo keeps trying to re-open Japanese market and restart competition. That's what Wii and Wii U were trying to do. You throw successful Switch in there, and, being a hybrid in closer porting distance than Vita/PS3 and you have potential of Nintendo stealing or sharing that spot with PS.
I think I'm not being totally crazy. Also not trying to suggest that this is what I think is happening, just that I wouldn't be too surprised if it did.
Yeah, I don't know what to make of that. I'm just running with the hypothetical I saw in the post I responded to and why I don't think it is that weird.
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