United States Election: Nov. 8, 2016 |OT| Hate Trumps Love

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spyder_ur said:
Think I've settled how I'm planning on voting on the MA ballot initiatives.

1. No (Additional Slot Parlor)
5. No - Local HS - I support the renovation of the HS, but the $275M price tag is unreasonable, and the funding mechanisms are unsustainable, especially given the history of such projects in the area. I'd support a scaled-down version of the plan.
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I'm curious on your reasoning against the additional slot parlor... but I can't remember where it was slated to go some maybe that would effect you.

Da fuck at that school price tag!?!? Plymouth built two new high schools for half that cost, and the state picked up half the bill. What in the world....
 
One of the most depressing things about this election is that despite all the crap that's happened, it feels like all we're doing is attempting to avert disaster instead of changing anything for the better.

I mean, we all fucking know that the Republican Congress and going to continue to be awful and if they keep Senate it'll be a nightmare.

I'll do my part in the election and then disengage again until mid-terms come around. I don't think I can handle watching the obstructionism until then.
 
giga said:
2000 (Gallup): Bush 48, Gore 46
2004 (RCP): Bush 48.9, Kerry 47.4
2008 (RCP): Obama 52.1, McCain 44.5
2012 (RCP): Obama 48.8, Romney 48.1
2016 (RCP): Clinton 46.8, Trump 44.3
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Considering Gore won the popular vote, that's fucking horrifying. Where's my plastic sheets?
 
Regarding Bush v. Gore (2000), you have to remember that the science of polling has come a very long way in the 16 years since that election (and since the 2004 election).
 
Seems like the only too close to call is Florida... god damned florida man.

Not really a fan of Hillary and my state is pretty solid red but I am going to have to vote for her "just in case"

glad when this shit will be over.
 
Sonicbug said:
I'm curious on your reasoning against the additional slot parlor... but I can't remember where it was slated to go some maybe that would effect you.
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East Boston resident have already voted against it multiple times. The only ones that stand to benefit ate the owners and their connected developers, who are shady as fuck. The other slot parlor in MA is already failing, and gambling is a regressive tax on the poor and mentally unfit. Then there's the issues it would bring to the area.

What also gets me is could build out a mixed use mini city square on the land like Reston Town Center and do a lot more good, but the owners want direct and continuing revenues into their pockets. So instead if building an awesome new economic center, they want to build another shady slot parlor they can control.
 
Flo_Evans said:
Seems like the only too close to call is Florida... god damned florida man.

Not really a fan of Hillary and my state is pretty solid red but I am going to have to vote for her "just in case"

glad when this shit will be over.
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North Carolina is absolutely "too close to call" as well.
 
Flo_Evans said:
Seems like the only too close to call is Florida... god damned florida man.

Not really a fan of Hillary and my state is pretty solid red but I am going to have to vote for her "just in case"

glad when this shit will be over.
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Not at all. Based on the early vote so far, Florida looks pretty easy to call: Hillary will take it. The Latino and African American vote in Florida have both been great so far, especially the former, and there has been insane turnout in strong D areas while the same can't be said for the strong R areas. Trump would have to pull some insane shenanigans to catch up at this point and there's no indication he'll be able to.

And based on the polling data and information we have for other states, it's looking like:
IA: Trump
PA: Clinton
NV: Clinton
CO: Clinton
VA: Clinton
NC (based on early vote demographics, particularly the demographics of No-Party-Affiliation Voters): Clinton
NH: Clinton

The real too close to call states are going to be Ohio and Arizona. Ohio is DEFINITELY going to come down to the wire, and it will probably be like a 1,000-2,000 vote difference or something crazy like that. And Arizona's not normally in play, but the rather strong pitch Clinton's made for it in rather weeks, combined with the strong spike in Latino turn out we're seeing and the complete toss-up polls for the state make it anyone's guess what's actually going to happen there especially when combined with the Supreme Court's gutting of the VRA and the closure of a huge number of polling locations in the state due to that making it even harder to say what exactly's going to happen.

So if you want to keep you eyes on the states that will probably come down to the wire, it'll be OH and AZ to look at this year, not FL.

And as a bisexual, thank you for voting for her even though you don't like her. I appreciate it. ^__^
 
Flo_Evans said:
ok, but its only 15 EVs. its critical for Trump but a nice bonus for Hillary.

I'm hoping for the blow out but not gonna panic if trump gets N. Carolina and Florida.
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HRC's chances in Florida are probably better than NC because the demographic mix is more favorable.
 
maquiladora said:
50 million people have already voted.
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Some would say it's all the more a reason not to publish polls during the election, so that those who haven't voted yet wouldn't do it in reaction to the trends among early voters.
Anyway I suppose it doesn't matter much now that through the internet you can access all kinds of polls even in countries where you're not supposed to.
 
ShironRedshift said:
Not at all. Based on the early vote so far, Florida looks pretty easy to call: Hillary will take it. The Latino and African American vote in Florida have both been great so far, especially the former, and there has been insane turnout in strong D areas while the same can't be said for the strong R areas. Trump would have to pull some insane shenanigans to catch up at this point and there's no indication he'll be able to.

And based on the polling data and information we have for other states, it's looking like:
IA: Trump
PA: Clinton
CO: Clinton
VA: Clinton
NC (based on early vote demographics, particularly the demographics of No-Party-Affiliation Voters): Clinton
NH: Clinton

The real too close to call states are going to be Ohio and Arizona. Ohio is DEFINITELY going to come down to the wire, and it will probably be like a 1,000-2,000 vote difference or something crazy like that. And Arizona's not normally in play, but the rather strong pitch Clinton's made for it in rather weeks, combined with the strong spike in Latino turn out we're seeing and the complete toss-up polls for the state make it anyone's guess what's actually going to happen there especially when combined with the Supreme Court's gutting of the VRA and the closure of a huge number of polling locations in the state due to that making it even harder to say what exactly's going to happen.

So if you want to keep you eyes on the states that will probably come down to the wire, it'll be OH and AZ to look at this year, not FL.

And as a bisexual, thank you for voting for her even though you don't like her. I appreciate it. ^__^
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I think we should add Georgia to the "too close to call" category.
 
Obama's Florida guy isn't worried, so neither am I. Hispanics are getting it done.

What am I worried about for HRC?

Really, almost nothing. I've mentioned the Palm Beach thing a few times, but right now, the diversity mix is rounding nicely into shape, and our best counties are way out-performing the state. Right now, she needs the organization on the ground to get this done on Tuesday

Could there be a Trump surge on Tuesday? It is possible, because the counties most under-performing right now are Trump counties. His problem, most of them are very small, part of what Jonathan Martin called the Gingrich Counties (where Newt beat Romney)-- those rural places in-between all the big counties.
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I really hope Hillary wins just so I can experience another 4 years of my racist cousins and uncles and aunts from Mississippi continually posting crazy Facebook rants on how our guns are gonna be stolen, babies killed 30 minutes before birth, conspiracy theories, God disappearing from the US and countless other hilarious articles.
 
ErichWK said:
I really hope Hillary wins just so I can experience another 4 years of my racist cousins and uncles and aunts from Mississippi continually posting crazy Facebook rants on how our guns are gonna be stolen, babies killed 30 minutes before birth, conspiracy theories, God disappearing from the US and countless other hilarious articles.
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I'm scared to even open Facebook today.
 
Looks like odds have shifted where Dems will likely be minority in the Senate. Can't believe they've fucked up the lead they had this hard. Congrats on losing the war.
 
Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
Looks like odds have shifted where Dems will likely be minority in the Senate. Can't believe they've fucked up the lead they had this hard. Congrats on losing the war.
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If by they, you mean Comey, then sure. And also, I till think it's going to be 50-50, which would be a democratic majority, but a tenuous one, given Kaine's seat.
 
Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
Looks like odds have shifted where Dems will likely be minority in the Senate. Can't believe they've fucked up the lead they had this hard. Congrats on losing the war.
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Hilary is going to win by a big enough margin to make it possible for the democrats to win the senate. I'm not to worried about it right now.
 
Save this. Poll closing times and when race was called by AP in 2012. Remember that slim margins = longer call times.

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We've heard a lot about the huge increase in minority voting, but what about the youth vote? Is there any word on if that has increased?
 
mo60 said:
Hilary is going to win by a big enough margin to make it possible for the democrats to win the senate. I'm not to worried about it right now.
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Uhhhh, nope.

I can easily see quite a few moderate Republicans who are voting for her out of revulsion for Trump also voting for GOP Senators down ballot to check her power.
 
mo60 said:
Hilary is going to win by a big enough margin to make it possible for the democrats to win the senate. I'm not to worried about it right now.
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What? Hillary's margin of victory doesn't influence Senate seats unless you think that many Republicans will stay home now which seems like a huge logical leap.
 
Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
Looks like odds have shifted where Dems will likely be minority in the Senate. Can't believe they've fucked up the lead they had this hard. Congrats on losing the war.
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Damn tragedy, they were sitting around 70% before the FBI announcement two weeks ago. Gave the republican candidates finally something to talk about other than their stance on Trump, and boy did they hammer it in.

That would be a damn shame If the Dems can't eek out some win here, to avoid at least complete obstructionism her first two years
 
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