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Donald J. Trump elected 45th President of the United States

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Foffy said:
I've had time to reflect on a quote that summarizes the problems we face, even if those voted for Trump have beguiled themselves into thinking bridges will be made over the holes.

"When another person makes you suffer, it is because he suffers deeply within himself, and his suffering is spilling over." - Thich Naht Hanh

We, myself included, are quick to call Trump supporters pavement tasting fucking idiots, but fail to realize what they are merely amounts to an amalgamation, a cultivation, a product of prior causes.

We should begin to understand that by asking why have things gotten the way they have. Let us ignore the people even on the ballot for office for a moment. When people say this country is better off than X period, can a feeling, a perception, a conceptualization one adheres to, really fall when facing a fact? Only with a right mind can it. Ask the precariat in this country, those both failed by Republicans and Democrats alike, how their lives have truly been supported when they feel they are drowning. We may call them delusional, but that doesn't help the problem.

We can talk about how Obama's legacy was one where he tried to help people, and that he did. But we also cannot dismiss those who feel it's not enough. Take coal miners or manufacturing jobs. Are these both in dissolution? Yes, as they should be.

But are we really helping these people being dissolved from their livelihoods? No, we're not.

Many of us accept progress, change, Capitalism, whatever you want to call it, and engage in apathy here. Instead of assuring a floor, to be compassionate and aid those on a platform falling for them, we have told them they're on their own. Their own suffering, their own precarious has been fueled by this very same culture that claims to care for them. And this is because the care, the actions of compassion, the aid, is not far-reaching enough. We say things are fine, we look at productivity numbers and fingers, but that doesn't change the dissolution. Much like Michael Moore has said, places like Flint Michigan have been all but abandoned by our framework. Do these people feel the boons this culture has gotten collectively? Obviously not. They can't even drink water without anxiety. Nothing ever came back for what they lost. This vote seems to fuel a great deal of people feeling like Flint. They might not actually be, but they feel it.

What happens to people who suffer, be it through delusion or reality, and this culture in some way has failed them? Their suffering, their hostility, their conflict, is now shared in others, to others. It doesn't matter if their revolt is to someone who can help, or in this case a man, platform, and party literally inept at doing so, but that anger grows and blows up somewhere.

How we deal with these people is the difficult thing. I have no answers. I'm sure many of them think God and all of that righteousness nonsense is on their side here, but the key is to show them futility. Show these people how Trump can't actually assure the jobs he deliberately lies about coming back. Obliterate the stones in their hands that they confuse for truth.

Their suffering has now led to our suffering, and the only solution is to find something accountable to reality, to "what is." Unfortunately, we have elected people too engaged with "what should be" or "what must be" to really be honest about reality. Too much subjective evocation leads to too much conflict with objective reality, which is humankind's core problem throughout history. But, to link it to the present scenario...

- The jobs people are desperate to depend upon and that entire social order is in decay.

- They're looking to hang on because this entire system has told them this is what they need to survive, failing to even propose an alternative.

- It fails to give them answers when it falls for them.

This is where we need to be, to be clear about this. Anything less is precisely why people harp on the durrhurrjobs claims with trade and all of that other nonsense. They're looking for a floor, but instead this culture has built a plank, and for many people, that's become a cage.

Unfortunately, the candidate most likely to have dealt with this was Barack Obama, who has had the balls to admit all of this. Hillary has been averse (because the public is averse; no mainstream alternative = this is all we got in the eyes of many), and Trump, per usual, has lied and said unfruths.

People chose the candidate most prone to appeal to their emotions, fears, and concerns, even if he's perhaps the most inept person in human history to deal with them. And he's poised to obliterate massive swaths of this very same culture in a futile attempt to make his false promises true.
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You've got it. This was the issue at the core and it finally spilled over. We didn't do enough to help raise these people up. Unfortunately for them I think it can only get worse with this choice.
 
jfoul said:
Do you think Trump actually thought he was going to win? I really don't think so, and he's totally shitting his pants right now. At least we have shitting our pants in common.
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Shitting his pants? Yep it sure looked that way on TV.
 
all in all Trump being president isn't that bad...
You know he doesn't have all this power like at all...

So yeah the scariest thing is that congress is now republican...and aligned with that idiot they could do some stupid shit.
Mr Musk, please move to Europe, I'm sure you'll face less backwards opposition here.
 
Well, what good can we hope for?

That he actually does something against the corruption in politics, both republican and democrat?

That perhaps the global trading deals that aren't a good thing will be stopped? I know very little about them, the things I've heard sound iffy.

That he stops jumping between saying that he is a friend of the LGBTQ community and talking about leglislating against them, and ends up being pro? Probably a longshot with the people he's surrounding himself with.

That he isn't the same warmonger as a large part of the republican seem to be?

That he just stops talking about the wall?

That he realizes that some of the solutions against crimes he has been talking about borders to fascism?

And for healthcare.......don't know....

Eh.....:|
 
Frozenprince said:
I feel so bad for calling people who voted for this monster bigots.

Maybe in ten years, when the justices and policies he's put in place strip my rights from me they'll feel bad for me too.

Wait.
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Get the fuck out with that fascist attitude, 29% of latinos voted for Trump, 8% of african americans voted for Trump, they are racist too?

You're an ignorant, brainwashed idiot if you really believe in that stupid reductionism Trump supporter= racist or misogynist
 
owasog said:
USA, how could you!? HOW could you go from your first black president to the first (openly) racist president? Is it some sort of action/reaction thing?
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You're surprised that a country founded by a bunch of rich racist xenophobic white men who enslaved an entire race of people while ethnically cleansing an entire continent elected a rich racist xenophobic white man? Obama was an outlier, an anomaly. He's our greatest modern president, but more than half the country still thinks he's the antichrist. People flipped their GODAMN SHIT that a colored man was president, so much so that they elected this asshole Trump. STOP looking up to us. We make pretty good movies and video games, but we're a war mongering, racist, shitty, capitalist country that is kind of like Rapture except without lighting bolt hands. The best thing you can do is fucking ignore us until we realize we suck, which, by all current standards, will take at least a century.
 
XMonkey said:
Trying not to think about all the social progress we've made that's now hanging in jeopardy. I feel sick.
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Yeah :(

Betty said:
I'd be devastated.

I mean I'd barely be able to face a crowd who thought it was in the bag and then try to hold it together when I apologise and try to say nice things about someone who actively wanted to lock me up.

This will weigh on her forever, I don't begrudge her some alone time.
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This is true.
 
Cipherr said:
You don't get through to them. What we need to do is accept reality. Step back and realize that the poster you quoted was approached with rebuttals to their claims but it didn't matter. He still called the entire community crazy folks that wouldnt "look up the facts".

They don't really debate, or have any desire or intention to. Life isn't some Utopia where every person is interested in the truth or whats best for everyone. I think the only way to really 'win' is just play the numbers game. Go for pure excitement to drive people to the polls and not necessarily the person that's the most realistic or would make the best candidate.

Trying to use reason, data and facts to persuade those people is a lost cause. They won't admit that they aren't listening to you, but they clearly aren't. They are being intentionally and willfully ignorant; and more importantly, they LOATHE you if you dare call them on it.
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You just described my father.
 
DICKS AHOY said:
Doesn't really negate the overall point that GAF (to be fair the vast majority of media/internet/civilization) assumed a democratic win was a given. Plus there was definitely a several month period where GAF bemoaned 'Bernie Bros', and while Bernie or Busters were misguided and other forums like Reddit's criclejerk over him was obnoxious, it felt like it was effort that could've been focused on mending ties between the two groups instead of just demonizing supporters who felt slighted by 'the establishment'.
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I think that you just outlined the point. Everyone thought that dems would win this election. Many Republicans thought that Trump would lose. A buffoon like Trump couldn't possibly win, we all thought. Overestimated humanity I suppose.

And, yes, there was a BoBer backlash. There was also a lot of Bernie supporters taking every opportunity to whine and moan about how they weren't being treated fairly. There were also a lot of Hillary supporters that had supported Bernie in the primary. These things all coexisted.
 
When Capitalism and megacorps control the world, race to bottom in manufacturing and unobtainable lifestyles are pushed in media, it was going to end up like this when many people's lives are worse because of it and seeing a material lifestyle normalised they can't have. Having the 1% in their ivory towers saying stay the course was always going to end in tears, good for them but not others and that's modern lifestyle.
 
Jindrax said:
all in all Trump being president isn't that bad...
You know he doesn't have all this power like at all...

So yeah the scariest thing is that congress is now republican...and aligned with that idiot they could do some stupid shit.
Mr Musk, please move to Europe, I'm sure you'll face less backwards opposition here.
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Nuke the filibuster, and do whatever the fuck they want. I expect a great many moral, empathetic things to come from this,.
 
Wow so America really let this happen, huh? In my mind I thought this wasn't even a possibility, that by some anomaly Trump had accidentally gotten this far but had no chance at actually winning. Holy fucking fuck. THIS MAN, this fucking mouthpiece buffoon is the next president of the united states of america?
 
Imp the Dimp said:
Unfathomable. How is that even possible? Trump offers nothing for millenials.
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A Large chunk of Americans right now feel like the Government in general has nothing to offer as the simple reality is Corporations prosper while the people suffer.

As Michael Moore said this is People standing up and saying Fuck you to the system. It can and likely will backfire in insane ways but for the moment they will feel satisfaction in their stance.
 
jfoul said:
Do you think Trump actually thought he was going to win? I really don't think so, and he's totally shitting his pants right now. At least we have shitting our pants in common.
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I think he definitely didn't, his behavior leading up to today was increasingly anxious and frazzled, he was already throwing his hands up and calling the election rigged. I think this outcome surprised a HELL of a lot of people on both sides of the fence.
 
ClosingADoor said:
The hatred in this thread? Have you seen the shit Trump has said over the past few months, years and even decades? Shows volumes about the people supporting him also.
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Trump's rhetoric wasn't hate to the poster, it was someone finally giving voice to their deepest thoughts that they were forced to suppress because of a PC gone mad culture.

That entire post is a poor attempt to come off as the morally righteous person who is always trampled upon and attacked for their views/beliefs. This is something the racist right have mastered. Now I'm not saying the poster is a racist, but when you're using the same talking points abs tactics as racists, well...
 
jfoul said:
Do you think Trump actually thought he was going to win? I really don't think so, and he's totally shitting his pants right now. At least we have shitting our pants in common.
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He initially announced joining the race so he can negotiate his TV deal. After his show got canceled, he had nothing to lose and just ran with it.

But let's not forget the media. I'd say it's 60% on them. All this ratings chase gave hin a legitimate chance.
 
probably already known

Sky News just said if the people who voted for Gary Johnson had voted for Hilary Clinton she would of won the election
 
jfoul said:
Do you think Trump actually thought he was going to win? I really don't think so, and he's totally shitting his pants right now. At least we have shitting our pants in common.
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I feel bad for Melania. Now she actually has to work.
 
Mr. RPG said:
Hillary will likely win the popular vote. There are still a ton of votes that haven't been reported yet in California.

I will admit that I didn't think Trump had a chance.I thought that the minority turnout would reach new records this year and that minorities would come out overwhelmingly for Hillary. :( I was wrong.
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They did but the white rural vote cancelled out any advantage hilary had with minorities in states like FL.
 
bud23 said:
Get the fuck out with that fascist attitude, 29% of latinos voted for Trump, 8% of african americans voted for Trump, they are racist too?

You're an ignorant, brainwashed idiot if you really believe in that stupid reductionism Trump supporter= racist or misogynist
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They are at the very least incredibly gullible, also possibly racists against one of the other groups besides themselves that Trump shit on.
 
What Im worried most about is another 911 or major crisis in the next four years. I fear it would make Bushes reaction look like peanuts. Imagine if Trump was in Office during the cuban missile crisis, we would have a very different world today.
 
DeadlyVirus said:
He initially announced joining the race so he can negotiate his TV deal. After his show got canceled, he had nothing to lose and just ran with it.

But let's not forget the media. I'd say it's 60% on them. All this ratings chase gave hin a legitimate chance.
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They treated him like a viable candidate instead of a lunatic. People accepted it.
 
Good.

The working class vote once again proves clinical. Looks like those Brexit comparisons weren't far off after all eh, where's the guy who compiled the posts?
 
Brexit then Trump... please tell me Le Pen in France isn't the next step, I mean know right will win, but we can't also but that stupid ( and by stupid I mean racist )... ?
 
You had one job 'murica
 
elyetis said:
Brexit then Trump... please tell me Le Pen in France isn't the next step, I mean know right will win, but we can't also but that stupid ( and by stupid I mean racist )... ?
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Well, Le Penn isn't running in 2016, the absolute worst year for common sense.
 
I have no idea how this will change Dem strategies moving forward. This is certainly the biggest political upset of my lifetime. How do Democrats regain a voting platform if people are seeking a change and willing to choose this?

Never mind redistricting that is likely to advantage Republicans who now control every branch of government.
 
DICKS AHOY said:
Doesn't really negate the overall point that GAF (to be fair the vast majority of media/internet/civilization) assumed a democratic win was a given. Plus there was definitely a several month period where GAF bemoaned 'Bernie Bros', and while Bernie or Busters were misguided and other forums like Reddit's criclejerk over him was obnoxious, it felt like it was effort that could've been focused on mending ties between the two groups instead of just demonizing supporters who felt slighted by 'the establishment'.
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You also need to account for, well at least for gaf, that it was an echo chamber in here. People here only talked about how Hillary had it in the bag, dismissed how much her image in the public would affect her standing, etc.

I still see some posters in the bubble. If anything it shows you can't just go to places that reaffirm your beliefs to get an accurate reading.
 
Hermii said:
What Im worried most about is another 911 or major crisis in the next four years. I fear it would make Bushes reaction look like peanuts. Imagine if Trump was in Office during the cuban missile crisis, we would have a very different world today.
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Very different is an understatement. Trump dealing with the Cuban Missile Crisis would be like Mr Magoo dealing with heart surgery.
 
7threst said:
Yes, that's true. But having Wilders win elections is scary in itself to me considering the guy.

But on coalitions, isn't that also a little bit how American politics work? I mean, democrats and republicans still need to work together to get things done right?

...I know realize I know nothing of the American system..
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Republicans own both houses now in America. So if their own people can agree on stuff, everything can be pushed through I think. They have the President, Senate and Congress now.

CecilRousso said:
Sounds like it will be very difficult to get out of, so his only solution is to not bother following it?
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And if the US doesn't follow it, why would China and India. What a mess.
 
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