broncobuster
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So like Trump himself, it's about being thin skinned and petty?
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So like Trump himself, it's about being thin skinned and petty?
Already Torn
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That's literally impossible unless you agree with their horrible stupid ideas.
#NotAllDumbfuckistanis
DontBeThatGuy
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Reagan wasn't racist enough. And yes.
Alligatorjandro
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So it's ok for their candidate to talk shit about various groups of people?here is a little anon reasoning on why trump won...
But don't you dare call them a racist!
darkwing-buck
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BTTF2 predicted something like this.
here is a little anon reasoning on why trump won...
Makes no sense whatsoever. If this was correct, democrats would win every single election. Like, you do realize that the republican platform has been all about demonising democrats for quite a fucking while, yes?
It's also hilarious how it's okay for him to call groups of people slurs and insults though. You'd think he'd lose if the reasoning was correct.
The only way to do that would be by appealing to their racist instincts. No deal.
CheDominik
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Whoah... could you imagine...
Looks like fake money in a shitty stripclub in Atlantic City.
Green Yoshi
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Hillary 2020!
She wants revenge.
She wants revenge.
DontBeThatGuy
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I mean, Trump won their hearts and minds, so it would be literally impossible for progressives to do the same. (unless they sell the fuck out, of course)
UnemployedVillain
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Ehh, not entirelytrue. She's been supportive of civil unions since 2000, was against same sex marriage (but still civil unions) during her time as a Senator and first Presidential run, and fully supportive since then.
What's telling, and why people constantly bring up sexism in how we judge her, is that Obama also held similar sentiments, being against same sex marriages until 2012 and wasn't ever labeled a flip flopper/liar
Reverend Funk
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BTTF2 predicted something like this.
now we just gotta wait for marty to go back and fix it
- you didn't say anything about ground troops, you said he didn't have any interest in the Middle East
- how realistic is it for Trump to somehow eliminate ISIS while staying "in the background
maquiladora
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His foreign policy opinions go back at least 30 years. You hear him saying the same things in interviews down through the years. He even took out a full page ad in a newspaper in 1987 to voice the same type of opinions he talks about today. It's not a gimmick, it's what he really believes.
He practically promised to request a protection tax in exchange for US Support.
http://www.phillymag.com/news/2016/09/07/donald-trump-philadelphia-union-league/
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/22/us/politics/donald-trump-foreign-policy-interview.html?_r=1
Funny info: the Baltic countries are actually among the best spenders in NATO.
She's not running for anything ever again.
Inferno313
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Heading out to a Tampa area Anti-Trump protest. Wish me luck, Gaf!
She'll be laughed out of the room.
watermelons
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People called him a Waffler instead.
Pinko Marx
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Keep on doubling down on the rhetoric. The election shows that progress needs EVERYONE aboard and not just a few groups. As much as GAF hates blue collar midwestern America (for both legitimate and non legitimate reasons), they have very real concerns and issues that Hillary did not speak to, and they are clearly a powerful voting group. It's time to have a conversation and not an argument.
God I hope the Dems arent dumb enough to do that, but they probably are
Puck Beaverton
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BoboBrazil
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Corey Booker is the best bet for 2020. Enthusiastic younger black man that will get black and young people to vote. His speech at the convention this year was like a young Obama before his run.
Green Yoshi
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She's a fighter.
paperboywriter
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well she is mostly a looser in the eyes of the dems now.
Puck Beaverton
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especially since gaf said repeatedly that politics is about compromise when we fell in line for hilary
mercenar1e
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didn't fight hard enough.
Already Torn
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The guy those blue coat midwesterners voted for ran a platform entirely dependent on not having EVERYONE aboard. What you're proposing doesn't work with reality.
We would have been fine if the electoral college wasn't borked or black voters weren't so pessimistic about a country that kills them for no reason even with a black man in the White House. A more charismatic candidate would help too.
Alligatorjandro
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I'm trying to figure out how you get people to agree with you when they hate the fact that you even exist.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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So tired of this "hearts and minds" shit
What about the black/Muslim/LGBTQ/Hispanic people who are in these place and have to deal with hate on top of "economic anxiety?"
Is being broke a free pass from thinking now?
Are YOU winning hearts and minds?
hillary lost because democrats didnt show up, for whatever reason. nothing more, nothing less.
DontBeThatGuy
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Not to belabor your point in the slightest, but Obama was for same-sex marriage back in the 90's but sometimes you gotta play the game.
His VP and his party want to roll back any recent rights given to LBGT people.
Clinton and the democrats want to continue to improve their rights, so what does anything she said about civil unions matter?
Trump has promised to appoint highly conservative Supreme Court judges, so what does it matter for he claims he'd help LGBT people?
Puck Beaverton
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Didn't Hillary basically ignore some of the states on the thought that she already had won them by default?
And I am also referring to how the situation was on GAF where Bernie supporters were told they weren't needed.
Airola
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It was quite a thing to follow some people laughing at people who were worried, and saying how this must be the first time they are following a presidential election. That it always goes like this and Clinton will definitely win. Sometimes it was pretty condescending even towards their "own side."
One of the funnier ones was that there was this one fellow telling people to stop worrying because Clinton would win this, this, that and that state. He dropped states off the list as the election went forward, but he was still as optimistic and aggressive in telling people to stop worrying. This went on until at one point he dropped all the previous states off the list and picked a new one. He went on with that surprisingly long and with exceptional endurance and vigor! I think he eventually stopped posting, until it became clear Hillary wouldn't win. I think he came back with tons of anger and depression.
Basically a tragic thing but I can't help to not see some humor in it. It kinda reminds me of all the Nintendo E3 Direct Hype threads
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Gotta do an about face and mea culpa. We'll actually see how much of his rhetoric was real and how much was politics.
Not gonna do it, but it's a start.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Already Torn
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Yes, but this doesn't have anything to do with what we're discussing. People underestimated how threatened dumb white men felt.
Bernie supporters should have voted for the platform Bernie supports.
Zeyphersan
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here is a little anon reasoning on why trump won...
No. You know what, no. I've been seeing this reasoning all over the place and it's complete and utter bullshit through and through. I'm not saying it's not true, it might very well be, but if someone comes at you with a criticism or a label that you don't agree with, and your instinct is to rear back and go in the opposite direction out of pure spite, you're a child. You're not an adult, you're a child. Someone offline or online calls you racist, and your response is not either to try and understand why you illicited that reaction out of someone or to just brush it off, but to lash out and swear revenge? You're the problem. Not them, you.
Every single one of you people who shout and stamp your feet like "I didn't want to be like this, you made me do this because you said mean things!" are either actual children who have no concept of responsibility or are lying to cover up that you're just an asshole. It's the same rationale that abusers have. "I don't want to hit you! If you just acted better I wouldn't have to!"
Fuck you and fuck everyone like you.
Trump winning over the hearts and minds was enabled by Government making no effort to address those concerns. Trump is not some amazing once in a lifetime politician or anything. He is a man who examined and took advantage of a growing cancer within the system.
Its easy to just shove the head in the sand and scream racists, assholes etc. Its far easier then actually taking the time to look what led to this. These same people in the Democrat Firewall states that went Red had no problem voting for Obama before yet now its suddenly all about white supremacy. No for those people its a very simple fact. They have been left behind for 30+ years with nothing being offered to improve the situation.
So yeah Trump lies and bluffs his way to their hearts because he is at least pretending to care.
I still remain unconvinced that the deplorables comment or judgemental attitudes was the deciding factor and not the strategic failure of the campaign to identify the Trump's resonating message of anti-trade policies bringing jobs back. Seems more like a way for Trump supporters to say "I told you so". Not to say things didn't get heated but the flow of hate speech was hardly a unidirectional phenomenon this cycle.
Angelus Errare
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Said the group of people who discarded Blacks/LatinX/Muslim/Women/LGBT+ instead of trying to win their hearts and minds.
This ain't the 30s and no one is fooled by this abuser rhetoric.
Puck Beaverton
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you're telling a lot of people to go fuck themselves
most people don't do self-reflection of any kind and using loaded language will shut them down
Interesting how applicable this still is (on both sides):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ4SSvVbhLw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ4SSvVbhLw
Already Torn
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I mean if that's true they can honestly go fuck themselves
here is a little anon reasoning on why trump won...
I feel like you could make the exact same argument if Hillary won, by saying Trump lost because of all the /r/The_Donald spam and 4chan "cuck" shitposting.
Airola
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Gotdatmoney
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There becomes a point where I really wonder how fragile Trump supporters are. They are called mean name, the people they demonize are having their humanity threatened. Well, minorities tip toeing for the majority is nothing new so it's w/e. We grew thick skin for a reason.
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