Yeah, I just thought the parallels with Occupy were starker since we're talking about coastal urban centers.
Protests against Trump in NYC and other cities
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Yeah, I just thought the parallels with Occupy were starker since we're talking about coastal urban centers.
BoboBrazil
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How many days does this continue for? It doesn't really accomplish anything. The media is all koombayah and let's get along and see how a racist piece of shit does in office.
Other than the will of the people I guess?
EatinOlives
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It's infuriating to see the media's complete dissonance in pretending they didn't have anything to do with Trump getting elected. Absolutely no self-awareness, and they'll never point it out themselves. They think they had no role to play in this whole thing.
It's 2016, that's everything now.
GeordieMark
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You've got no idea what he's going to do. I don't even know he does. Right now, people are just protesting about losing. No rights have been taken away from anyone. Whats the end game here for the protesters?
Psychoward
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I mean yeah Ferguson and all but there was a lot of outrage in NYC and Baltimore for that as well
Which is why complaining about groups of people protesting the election of a racist, xenophobic, misogynistic demagogue is pointless. Doesn't bother them that the country elected this man? Cool, enjoy the privilege and stay indoors. If they are not only incapable of sympathizing with the reasons for minorities being so inflamed at half the country throwing them under the bus, but are also criticizing them for doing so, then perhaps it's "reasonable" to assume these people have no point of reference for why protests are warranted, and therefore no valid argument to make.
KurtSloane
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The system has been in place forever, Hilary lost, Trump is president and they both played the same game.
Psychoward
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People are not protesting about losing. People are protesting about a man/ticket/party that will try and strip them of their civil rights while more than half of America sits idly by, complacent.
Captain Zyrain
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KCAL9 cutting away when the confrontation is starting..
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To not play the wait and see game?
"I'll fight for the EC but whats the deal with free speech"
K dude. Just like you said, this has been in place forever.
Psychoward
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Huh? Protesting against a vote is perfectly normal of democracy.
Captain Zyrain
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Beanbags/rubber bullets getting ready to be deployed in LA..
It is not pointless. These movements associated with "#notmypresident" are important for communicating that some Americans feel they won't be adequately represented by Trump's government or even have a place in Trump's America. If Trump is serious about his claim to work for all America he will need to take measures to ease their concerns. But as Hillary and other democrats have said, it is also important that Trump is given a chance to lead.
Maybe Trump's plans are set in stone, but they don't have to be, and the legal measures of influencing the government have not been exhausted. Until it becomes clear that nobody is willing to listen (and that won't be obvious until well into Trump's term), those that feel they may be disenfranchised need to make their voices heard. Even if you think it's pointless to appeal to the humanity of Trump's administration, plenty of people in the greater government, including republicans (especially the recently elected) have grand ideas of doing what is right.
Violence does not have a place in this process, however. That's when this gets shut down and ignored.
Maybe Trump's plans are set in stone, but they don't have to be, and the legal measures of influencing the government have not been exhausted. Until it becomes clear that nobody is willing to listen (and that won't be obvious until well into Trump's term), those that feel they may be disenfranchised need to make their voices heard. Even if you think it's pointless to appeal to the humanity of Trump's administration, plenty of people in the greater government, including republicans (especially the recently elected) have grand ideas of doing what is right.
Violence does not have a place in this process, however. That's when this gets shut down and ignored.
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You do realise those fuckwits protesting, voted for the candidate who had more votes? Hillary Clinton had more votes than trump in the straight democratic vote count, the same one responsible for brexit. Will you respect it now or are you conveniently going to ignore it?
EatinOlives
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People are very, very quick to pretend that protests are not a constitutional freedom in these instances.
UnObtainium17
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As a Bernie guy who voted Hilldawg.. imma need a receipts on these protesters on who voted or not. If you eligible to vote but still didn't get yo bitch ass of the road. I'm more furious on non voters than people who voted trump. Yall got a chance to make a change but yall punked out.
Puck Beaverton
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Dawg you are getting me heated right now. What the fuck else do you want LGBT people to do? They did everything they were supposed to and were told to fuck off. Now their pursuit of happiness is impeded and possibly their lives and identity. Stop that shit.
GeordieMark
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So what's the desired outcome? Strip the Republicans of a win, install Hillary as Pres and send democracy off to die?
Not sure what people are trying to achieve. It looks like this is just a big public outpouring of emotion rather than a legit protest with a realistic goal.
this is the kind of response I expect from a person who probably also hates labour unions.
Protesting is part of the democratic process. They are allowed to do it.
Killer Queen
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I shouldve probably mentioned in opposition to an elected president.
Very good point.
Ultimately, for myself, pragmatism rules, so if I'm stuck for two hours because of a protest, the protest becomes invalid (on a personal level, on a macro level, I may believe in the cause, but the discomfort caused by the protest is a big hassle). Then again, we have a right to protest as a god given right, so do what you need to do.
ETA- this puritan need to cut away if someone is cursing is so silly.
It's not free, nor is it democratic.
Captain Zyrain
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Random on the street interviews with protestors is the absolute worst.
Puck Beaverton
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That is all it probably is. I don't see a problem with it. People are scared.
We can talk about a game and the actual will of the people at the same time
Psychoward
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A big public outpouring of emotion is fine at this point, let them vent. If I was in one of the cities I'd be with them.
But idk, hopefully it's to make people on the fence or who sat on the sidelines aware of the stakes and energized and mobilized going forward.
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They're in blue states, what other receipts do you want?
What? This isn't about just losing, this is about everything to come.
Psychoward
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Protesting is speech. It's a message. It's fine for it to just be a outpouring of emotion.
maquiladora
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4 years. And this is nothing compared to the protests that will happen once Trump actually starts making policy decisions.
We are in for some very dark days ahead.
Do you think that Occupy Wallstreet protestors were fuckwits for protesting "free, democratic" laws that allowed for bankers to get off scott free with purposely plunging the World economy for their own financial gain?
Were civil rights protestors also fuckwits for protesting the "free, democratic" laws that were in place that lead to racial segregation as well?
And nothing happened. I'm tired of awareness, hashtags and protest that don't accomplish shit.
Protesting is a democratic right, but don't worry with a fascist in charge im sure the US won't have that right soon enough.
As for here in the UK, a large amount of people who still complain about Brexit do so because their country didn't vote for it (Scotland) and their votes are being ignored (again.) Others are complaining because not requiring a supermajority for a vote which can destroy the economy is literally the stupidest decision in UK politics in DECADES.
KurtSloane
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One for every Presidential election?
Lets see if the right start to come out to the streets to protect their vote and the result of the democratic process?
CassidyIzABeast
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If only there was a branch of government that we could have tried to get a majority share in that could try and stop any potential madness that Trump tries to bring into law!
Oh well lets come back stronger in 2020 guys
Oh well lets come back stronger in 2020 guys
Are you saying protesting is not a democratic freedom? You can respect the outcome of the democratic election, and at the same time express your disconcern with it.
Psychoward
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It's possible occupy wall street changed hearts and minds. Even if it didn't stop getting frustrated that people still have hope. You can protest and also vote and be active in other ways.
chillybright
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Did anyone think Occupy accomplished anything? Yet each candidates tickets HAD TO include Wallstreet Reform to even have a chance. Whether or not that leads to any actual changes now that we have Trump is a question.
But that's why the Occupiers should have never gave up and continued until they had the change they wanted. Just because you can't see IMMEDIATE CHANGE due from this protest, the movement that it could spark will lead to change eventually if it is continued.
Do you know that the Civil Rights movement lasted 12 YEARS before changes were finally made. Do you think those changes happen without the movement and protests of the civil rights movement.
This protest so much more important than narrow viewed people are giving it credit for.
They know what he said he would do. They know what people who voted for him think he will do.
Psychoward
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Getting the house in 2016 was almost impossible. I did my part in voting for Peter Jacob though.
But ok.
What is with this insistence that the protestors didn't try to stop Trump? Conventional logic states that anyone who can get rallied for a protest could have spent 5 minutes voting, not to mention this happening in blue areas in blue states.
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