The republicans already did when Obama won. Nice try, but your misinformation isn't working.
For the love of Christ Google the tea party movement and stop the willful ignorance you're displaying.
Protests against Trump in NYC and other cities
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The republicans already did when Obama won. Nice try, but your misinformation isn't working.
For the love of Christ Google the tea party movement and stop the willful ignorance you're displaying.
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Ah, name calling when logic is shoved in your face. bye bye!
Morrigan Stark
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What on Earth are you talking about?
Puck Beaverton
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Seriously fuck that shit.
"Welp sucks to be you LGBT member! Wr as a country decided you're still viewed as sub-human! Deal with it."
Nope GTFO and understand why people are angry.
Psychoward
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I understand that. I also understand blue collar work has been dying out for several years and they should have spent more than 2 minutes researching the facts before voting for a racist, sexist etc. (you get it at this point) candidate that lied to them and outsources his own products.
So yes I understand it, no I do not empathize with it. It's anti-intellectualism in a nutshell.
SanguineShark
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I know you're banned, but I wish some of you would stop treating this like a fucking football game with this loser/winner bs. Lives and futures are at stake here, it's much more important than that.
Puck Beaverton
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That's fine. Understanding is key though and I'm glad you at least know why this shit has happened. Won't defend anti-intellectualism.
So they are bringing awareness to a Blue city that overwhelmingly voted against Trump? Ok.
I have voted democrat all my life, I'm a minority, I'm a muslim. I fully understand the implications of this election. Last night after going through all the stages of grief at 3 am, I seethed with anger that we elected this fucking loser. And I want revenge, not through some meaningless protest but by coming back with a vengeance in 2018.
I will protest actions by trump if/when he crosses that line he is bound to cross, but I will not protest the elections that we just had.
Neogaf is full of useless ideas today, we lost because our base stayed home. But instead of figuring out how to energize our base in the rust best, lets just call them all racists and refuse to engage. They didn't vote for trump, they just didn't vote. The racists didn't win it for trump, those same racists always votes for the GOP. They turned out their (racist) base, and we stayed home.
Well never know for sure. I do know the apathy on election day was gross though. People needed to realize Obama was the best we're going to get in a while in terms of charisma, and then vote for Hillary anyways. THEY didn't do the second part, in droves thst is obvious.
Sure, I'm mad too, but thst doesn't change the fact that if there was this much anger on election day, things might have changed for the better.
You're not the problem, in fact good on you for protesting. The country needs to know they fucked up. But voting is the number one thing to do to a how your voice, and lots of people didn't do that, and are now mad.
Of course (at least all but the trolls). They had legitimate fears and anxieties this election that Trump played to and Hillary all but ignored. But stoking racism, xenophobia and homophobia to rally people to you is fucking unacceptable.
I have so many friends and acquaintances who are very fucking scared right now for themselves and their families due Trump's coming presidency... All fears founded in things he's said himself. (Already today two of my friends where verbally accosted for their race in new york fucking city, one person literally calling my friend a nigger and claiming he can't do shit because trump is president).
This isn't even about my belief that he'll be incompetent, it's about the literal safety and well being of some amazing people who don't deserve the hate that this campaign has stoked so readily.
Outside of, as far as I can tell unfounded, claims that Hillary is a criminal and kills all of her political opponents, I have a hard time seeing the equivalency if she won. Yes I understand their plight, and if this was purely political... differences in views on regulation, economy and taxes... I'd say all of the protesting where a bit much. But it isn't. And attempts to look past or downplay it are, I can't think of any other word than unacceptable.
Trump lost the popular vote. Those people you see, people who likely voted Clinton, aren't taking this sitting down. Are you asking for people to be complacent?
The protests are getting coverage nationally, perhaps internationally. This is going beyond their own territory.
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People need a channel to vent this frustration and fear that didn't just start building last night, it's been building for years. There's been no reassurance that their voice has been heard and I'm afraid it's not going to end well.
The system allowed a proto-fascist that is going to take away citizens rights to be a president, despite the majority of voters not wanting them.
The system is the fucking problem, yes.
Puck Beaverton
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Maybe the stupid optimistic part of me will be right (ha) and this will be the lowest moment for US Politics and people will finally see the damage.
We live now with more information than ever before. If his can't wake people up, our least qualified president made it, nothing will.
We live now with more information than ever before. If his can't wake people up, our least qualified president made it, nothing will.
psynergylover
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I know you're banned but it truy amazing that people like you seem to have no idea of the legit fear and criticisms of all trump has said during his campaign. they're not mad because of some tax plan or the picking of his cabinet staff they're legit afraid;
they fear Trump bring back Stop and Frisk:
they fear gay marrige being overturned
they fear abortions being outlawed
they fear Trump repealing DACA and othe excutive order that help law abiding undocumented immigrants
they fear Muslims here and abround being persucuted for their faith
they fear there being a rise in hate crimes against blacks/hispanic/muslims(just check the thread here on gaf)
but hey, we're just sore losers
your white privilege is showing
What is the electoral college and popular vote? What's the difference?
Puck Beaverton
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Most of these people out protesting voted. They deserve to be heard.
KurtSloane
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The system has been in place for a long time, its how it works ....... he took more states, key states, Hilary had more people vote, but they where in concentrated areas.
If there was a problem with the voting system, why wait until after you lose to it to bring it up? Surely if it is such an issue then protests should have happened before the election?
Yeah for sure, voting and mobilizing others to vote is part of this.
Imagine he was voted in and no one said anything? People were a little sad and then moved on... Do you think people who viscerally hate this man and what he stands for would think they have a movement of people behind them who think similarly to them? Or do you think they'd feel alone and silenced?
Protesting won't directly do anything. It's not going to change the votes, it's not going to change the election, but it's letting people know they're not alone in their anger and sadness. This will be a movement to take back the house in two years and more beyong that and it's starting here and immediately.
If they don't like the EC, these are the 3 painful options:
1. Constitutional amendment
2. Change all the states to proportional appropriation
3. Interstate compact with with states controlling at least 270EC to go with the popular vote.
We all knew the rules to the game, now we are going to scream rigged after we lose?
I'm not asking anyone to be complacent. Take the L, lick your wounds, protest any illegal actions by trump and go to court, come back with a vengeance in 2018. This is just sour grapes. We lost, accept it and mitigate as much damage as we can.
Psychoward
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Who's claiming anything is rigged?
Popular vote is the exact vote count of each person in the country, the Electoral College is the people who represent parts of each state who look at the popular vote for that region and determine if they made the right choice. Often the Electoral College votes in line with how the people of their representative area wants but they can change it if they would like to.
She won the popular vote by roughly 200-300k voters right?
She won California by 2.5 million. New York by roughly 1.3 million. Other states were mostly much closer win or lose. Take the super large margins away there and she loses the popular vote too.
I keep seeing a lot of posts on Facebook about this being a sign that she was cheated by the EC. No, she wasnt. She knew the game and what she needed to do to win. She didnt make an effort campaign wise to ensure Trump's repeated rust belt efforts were countered and it cost her the election. If she had at least went to those states at least once or twice as a counter to Trump she wins this election IMO.
So we are just protesting losing?
KurtSloane
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Presidents are elected on the popular vote, it is the first to 270 ev ........ has been for the longest time.
Popular vote doesnt mean a thing.
I hate that this has so much to do with winning/losing. Unfortunately, that's our political climate these days (maybe always has been, but it's getting worse). It's the whole sports team mentality, but this isn't a game. You don't come back next week and play again. This has real consequences for real people. As a result, you're right, we lost the presidency and we will play the blame game for a long time to come, but we cannot change the results of the election. The more important thing is to now deal with the ramifications of what we've done. And one of the chief ways (maybe only ways at this point, with almost no control over the Federal Government) is to protest. These protests may be happening in Blue states, but they are being broadcast to people all over the planet.
Democrats are often portrayed as the meeker party, but I've never seen one that mewls as much as the Republicans. For people who supposedly hate complaining and champion rugged individualism or bootstrapping, they are often the quickest to go on the defensive. It's more courageous to walk in and face danger without clutching a gun or a bible, in my opinion. You are left only with what you, as a person, bring to the table. Not a weapon to hide behind, not a God to rely on. That's the true measure of a person as I'd call it.
But I digress.
Popular vote is the literal votes of the people.
The electoral college is who actually votes for the president. Each state is given two, plus a certain amount per their population (same as the number of total senators and house reps they have). Aside from other problems, it gives a disproportionate amount of power to states with low population.
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Puck Beaverton
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While I sort of agree with you, people are rightly scared about what is going to happen to them if they're queer. They did everything possible and were voted by a sizable portion of the country to not be important. Their lives and pursuit of happiness are at stake, they shouldn't just accept their shitty future.
Claude Augario
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We're protesting a demagogue that threatened to ruin the livelihood of basically anyone that isn't a straight white male.
You can keep acting like this a game that doesn't affect anyone but that hasn't worked out so well in this thread.
KurtSloane
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The candidate with the largest vote in each state takes the electoral votes, its that simple.
Hilary had big margins in states she won, the other states she lost fair and square.
You need to win states, not big margins in states you have won as they only return the same amount of electoral votes, regardless of margin.
The same system will elect the next president, plenty of time to get up to speed for those who are uninformed enough to keep going on about the popular vote.
In other words, each person's vote has different weight depending on their geographic location?
Thank you guys for the clarification. I'll resume my silence now.
It would be very hard for the democrats to win via electoral college without the popular vote.
Voters in rural states, which typically vote conservative, have more weight to each of their votes. Democrats need to win the popular vote by a significant amount to win the election.
I highly, highly doubt people who are too apathetic to even vote will bother to protest.
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I don't give a shit how people unite as long as they unite, protests or not. We know Trump's plans, people want their voices heard now. People need to stand up now, regardless of the "bah, we lost sit down" handwaving.
Waiting silently until he crosses the line we know he will cross? That's useless.
KurtSloane
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Hilary couldnt get enough voters in the states where she lost?
The reasons she lost / he won keep piling up.
Maybe it's a small sample but from what I've seen on CNN the 'protests' look more like parties. People taking selfies, seemingly more concerned with filming everything on their phones then actually picketing. When asked what thier issues are spouting off stuff about Trump that sounds like it came from Hilaries campaign manager 24 hours before the election.
And yes I voted for Hillary.
To be fair, people's definition of reasonable are all different.
Puck Beaverton
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There are some who do it because it is the cool thing to do. Happened in the 60s as well. Shouldn't spoil the act itself.
Killer Queen
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When was the last time this happened on this scale in America?
It's not even really about the EC, or complaining about it being "rigged" (you're in the wrong timeline there).
Trump constantly bragged during his campaign about "an incredible movement" and "unbelievable crowds" in support of him. He painted a picture of a "silent majority" who was with him, even though the votes dont reflect that.
Protests are a protected part of the first amendment, and people want to express their dissent with the way this election went. That's all this is about.
KurtSloane
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What scale?
Occupy, probably, considering the cities in question.
EatinOlives
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I agree with this.
This system has been in place for every single president. Everyone knows the rules, everyone plays the same game. Everyone knows that there's a quirky corner case in which you can win the popular vote by a thin margin but still lose the election. Focusing on that corner case misses the forest for the trees, the forest being that if you're in that position in the first place you already fucked up hard in your campaign and if you lose, it's not undeserved.
Trump won a series of narrow wins in up-for-grabs states that everyone thought were safe. Everyone knows that Republicans vote more than Democrats when voter turnout and enthusiasm is low. Whining about the electoral college is akin to whining about a sports game loss because the one play at the very last minute didn't pan out, ignoring the entire rest of the game when their team was fucking up.
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BLM at its worst was more recent
edit: by worst I meant in terms of innocent black people being executed by police oficers
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