It's like you couldn't be assed to read the thread. These are the people that voted.
Protests against Trump in NYC and other cities
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It's like you couldn't be assed to read the thread. These are the people that voted.
Lonewolf_92
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Not to mention that most of these protests are happening in deep blue states that Trump had no chance in and, as the concern trolls are gleeful in reminding us, the popular vote don't matter, the EC does. So if these guys voted for Hillary doesn't matter.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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1) These are the people that voted
2) Anti-Trump protests have been happening throughout the election cycle
hydragonwarrior
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I think it's still possible that there's many, many of them who didn't vote and are likely part of those protests. Some were busy at work or some didn't think their vote mattered. Neither are good excuses unfortunately.
Jesus fucking Christ learn how to read.
You're a moron.
The Technomancer
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If the protests matter its because they might have an energizing effect. If we can channel this anger for 24 months and get it to spread out into more contentious areas that we only lose by a few percent maybe we can make the midterms a wave
ThatStupidLion
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these protesters should march in rural america not in liberal areas ie. cities.
The Artisan
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i've been hearing about this but haven't seen it (yet)
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I remember during the primary protests that people said "this makes no sense, wait until he's president first."
Now he's President-Elect and I guess it still isn't the right time. We'll win over these apathetic people at home on their computer doing nothing one day!
Raven117
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Had this discussion with my father (78) this morning.
He just could not understand why these young people were protesting...He said, and believed, "They just want free college tuition."
I stated, no Dad, they are disappointed, frustrated, and angry that Trump was elected. I watched the protests, I didn't see one sign that said "Socialism Now!" or "Free-Tuition!" While many of those protestors may support those things, that was not what was playing out in the street.
Trump said a lot of terrible things about many people and advocated some insane solutions to real issues....
My Dad in response, They should accept this election, Trump was elected....
My response: Dad, of all people, that group understands Trump was elected. That's why they are out there. They don't have to be happy about it.
This conversation or some variation of it will be played out across living rooms and TV for the next day or so Im betting.
Adam_Vania
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protests are supposed to be irrational, they are supposed to get a reaction. they are drawing attention to an issue. this is fine. this is possibly even one of the goals of the protest.
people can complain about them, that's fine too. we have the right of freedom of speech. however imo complaining that someone else is exercising their free speech is sort of a waste of that right.
protestors should listen to their own hearts. it's the establishment's job to be pricks about it.
people can complain about them, that's fine too. we have the right of freedom of speech. however imo complaining that someone else is exercising their free speech is sort of a waste of that right.
protestors should listen to their own hearts. it's the establishment's job to be pricks about it.
Protests should not be irrational. These protests are not irrational.
Donald runs for president while insulting various ethnic and religious minority populations > most voters choose Hillary Clinton > Donald elected president > most voters become upset > some voters decide to demonstrate against the electoral college victor
How is that irrational?
Donald runs for president while insulting various ethnic and religious minority populations > most voters choose Hillary Clinton > Donald elected president > most voters become upset > some voters decide to demonstrate against the electoral college victor
How is that irrational?
WhiteWaterM00se
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Your wrong. We absolutely have the right to protest, to freedom of speech as well. BUT, what it can not do is for example block emergency responders from helping people.
That is not good in any way. That is not making a statement. It is dangerous and irresponsible. Violence also if not making a statement. What good comes from that ultimately?!
They're probably not intentionally blocking emergency services.
These protests aren't violent.
WhiteWaterM00se
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Last night one in one of the virtues they were blocking emergency responders near a hospital.
People need to be smarter than that. Its ok to protest, and floral your mind. Just be smart about it.
OniBarubary
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A lot, actually, if you look at the history of violent protest and civil unrest.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Why are you repeating these anti-protest talking points? Are you this concerned with daily traffic doing the same? Do you have evidence of this being a widespread problem? Have they personally prevented you or someone you know from care?
WhiteWaterM00se
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We don't live in that world anymore. Please be smarter than that. I used to think GAF was overwhelmingly filled with intelligent people. Don't have a mob mentality without consideration of reason.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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You're not making any sense. There isn't some chasm between what happened in history and what happens now. This is the same world. Get real.
Can you show us some evidence of this being a new world with new rules? Back up your assertions.
Pai Pai Master
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I'm sure we complained because it was the fucking tea party lol
But yeah they still had every right to speak out
Tal Shiar Agent
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We didn't live in that world anymore, but the clock got turned back 50 years this week.
OniBarubary
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There are people that are literally alive to this day that weren't allowed to go to school with white people or marry someone of a different skin color.
Your hand-wringing and false accusations of mob mentality or consideration of reason are unnecessary and bullshit.
This is being given the right amount of thought and discourse as an avenue of change. I do not agree, and have never agreed, that violence has no place in a civilized society. Sometimes violence is necessary. It doesn't make me fucking gleeful and do a dance to say that. I don't like that violent protests or violence happens. It means I pragmatically understand the purpose of violence and what it can accomplish.
Again they probably weren't doing it on purpose.
People did complain about them. They were seen as irrational as they were protests that were aimed at bullshit Fox news lies and fear of a more inclusive America.
What has me on edge with people on this board arguing against these protesters is the apparent lack of understanding why this is going on and how long it has been going on. People have been voicing their concern against Trump for months now, and the divisive message as well as the apparent f you he is about to give to the country in the form of potential policy and cabinet picks is a serious problem for those of us who didn't think America wasn't already great.
Also Liberals have been to complacent and polite for awhile while "conservatives" have been able to freely speak their mind and be toxic. Being demure aint getting us no where.
WhiteWaterM00se
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How old are you kid? It is a serious question.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Nothing in that post is naive or childish. It's like a sentence away from quoting "the tree of liberty must be refreshed." You've been talking history but I don't think you actually know any.
WhiteWaterM00se
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I'm going to bow out of the thread. Clearly there is no point. But if you and the other gentlemen can PM. I'll be awaiting your PM
You sound stupid. Protests were happening the entire campaign and these people did vote.
kame-sennin
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Some people don't understand how politics work. Anybody who is worried about the U.S.' position in the world should be thanking these demonstrators. It's an immediate and strong statement that says 'not all of America tolerates Trump'. And it's a stronger message than simply voting for the opposition.
From an international and historical perspective, it's important that the people make their voices heard. Otherwise, Americans will be looked at as a people who passively let a despot take power.
We were protesting Trump. Where were you?
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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You say "there is no point" after not even attempting to answer or quantify any questions or disagreements posted after you told people how to behave. Literally all you've done is show concern for hypothetical people over real people, you've said history isn't the same world as USA 2016, and you called someone a kid for basically quoting Thomas Jefferson.
OniBarubary
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I have very little doubt that you are serious in trying to be condescending and explaining something to me that you obviously do not have a very firm grasp on if your concern isn't about the very real why people are protesting but rather that doing so might maybe prevent an ambulance from getting to someone.
My age is specifically unimportant though it's pretty obvious why you're bringing it up.
kame-sennin
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France was burning tires in protest of labor reform in March....
WhiteWaterM00se
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Life experience was my point. Age is not the only determining factor in life experience of course. But, more often than not it plays a large role.
An 18 year old has a different crow than a 30 year old, 40 year old, etc.
Conkerkid11
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I just want to get to and from class/work, and protestors are making that essentially impossible. It doesn't make me sympathize with them, it makes me hate them.
I'm well aware of the state of the presidency. Now get out of the road so I can continue to make a living.
OniBarubary
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Untrue.
The whole point of a protest is to inconvenience and make shit difficult until you are forced to deal with and address a lot of problems that you could otherwise ignore or handwave. That's the point of them, that normal discourse and rational explanation didn't work so now we fuck shit up until people are forced to do something.
If you honestly believe that advances in civil liberties and rights as well as social and political progress were only achieved by people politely standing on sidewalks and holding hands and being nonthreatening to white people you are remembering a very inaccurate and sanitary view of history.
My response to people being inconvenienced by protests is "Good"
smokeandmirrors
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You're part of the problem then
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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MLK talked about this unbearable tension that would finally force political change. We just watched it work for Trump. Read more about the why and how of protests, don't just assume it's about winning you over.
Jawbreaker
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Yep. This needs to be understood by those complaining about the protests.
Adam_Vania
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i mean protests seem irrational to the system they are protesting against. not that the protests themselves have no basis.
for instance in this case, the election is over, i don't think Trump is going to step down over these protests. u also have people saying "why protest in a city where she won?" they think it is irrational.
that is kind of the point of a protest imo. this is part of the symptom that there is a problem in the first place. if nobody in the establishment thought it was irrational then you'd have a place of mutual respect and understanding. in that case the problems would likely already be being addressed w no need for a protest.
There should be protests everywhere and for the whole 4 years. Too much stuff just sails through our government without people taking a hard look at it and speaking up. It's not going to just be Donald Trump's actions, but the actions of all the political cronies he puts in power that hurts all Americans.
I think not slipping slowly into a fascist police state is worth a few inconveniences.
I think not slipping slowly into a fascist police state is worth a few inconveniences.
EmpressInYellow
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So was Hitler. So was Mussolini. So were many other authoritarian strongmen that beat the drums of fascism to cater to small minds.
"He was elected" is a statement of fact. It is not a defense or a justification, and people need to understand that.
Conkerkid11
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But he legitimately won. How does that promote the slow crawl toward anything similar to fascism?
If anything, this taught the DNC a lesson, and maybe they'll pick a better candidate next time around.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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I want to be treated like an actual human being in the country I was born in. I guess we all make little sacrifices.
He lost the popular vote, and several of the states that flipped had voter suppression by GOP voter ID laws.
That's not very legitimate.
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