PdotMichael
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The USA per capita CO2 emissions aren't running circles around pretty much all other countries since Trump.
Are people aren't aware how fucked up the USA is?
China warns Trump against abandoning Paris climate agreement
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The USA per capita CO2 emissions aren't running circles around pretty much all other countries since Trump.
Are people aren't aware how fucked up the USA is?
Raven117
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Sure it's pessimistic, but there are lots of political factors at play... And honestly... The actual concern over the planet is probably lower on the list for most of these players.
chillybright
Banned
And it is the worst in Beijing, where all of Xi and his cabinet and their family live.
Russia isn't actually taking any action on climate change, they're relying on their struggling economy, forest carbon sinks and some creative accounting to meet the targets without essentially having to do anything
http://thediplomat.com/2016/02/russia-and-climate-change-a-looming-threat/
http://thediplomat.com/2016/02/russia-and-climate-change-a-looming-threat/
Nerdkiller
Membeur
But how will all the coal miners react if they see Trump rolling back on his "climate change hoax" statements?
PdotMichael
Banned
That's bullshit though.
Even ignoring the Climate Change itself, there are social, geopolitical and economical reasons to move to renewable energy for China or all other countries.
Chairmanchuck
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As they should be. Smog-filled Beijing makes Beijing, a city I love and would consider my second home, a bad city.
I mean I lived in northern Beijing and while most of the times the sky there was blue, as soon as you drove downtown, just 30-40km away from there, you couldnt even see 200m.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
The US is gonna be part of the nex Axis of evil
koji kabuto
Member
I can see Russia and China taking advantage of this to blame the US for future issues regarding climate change.
Epsilon-delta
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Crayon
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The US is in the hands of this republican insurgency and they are bent on actually accelerating environmental damage.
I hate to say this but all other issues including destruction of our economy, social progress, civil war and international aggression are second to this situation. Our apparent trajectory and influence on climate change makes us the bad guys of the world. Or at least the most dangerous organization in the history of the world.
Any level of aggression against the us in the name of the climate issue would be justified by future generations whose existence depended on it.
I hate to say this but all other issues including destruction of our economy, social progress, civil war and international aggression are second to this situation. Our apparent trajectory and influence on climate change makes us the bad guys of the world. Or at least the most dangerous organization in the history of the world.
Any level of aggression against the us in the name of the climate issue would be justified by future generations whose existence depended on it.
Palette Swap
Member
I was going to write "that's really embarrassing", but then I remembered Trump and the people who voted him in wouldn't be embarrassed as they couldn't give two shits about climate change.
Chairmanchuck
Member
If the US really abandons the Paris climate agreement, it wont just be Russia and China blaming the US...
WaterAstro
Member
Well Trump is going to be building a wall, alright.
Not a wall for Mexico, but a wall around Florida to keep the water out.
Trickster
Member
Man, imagine the US becoming the country that get's put under santions by the rest of the world.
Freaking bizzaro world
Welcome to globalism
lawd, what is happening
charliebear
Neo Member
Much like the UK did in a way with the London smog. Stopped burning in the cities. Take s something to start somewhere.
Nikodemos
Member
There are good reasons for Putin to fear climate change.
Warmer weather causes permafrost to thaw, which has several unpleasant consequences.
When it melts, turbo-anthrax spores from 20.000 years ago reactivate; then the water dries off and the (infected) dust gets swept away by the winds. There have already been outbreaks caused by ancient anthrax.
Then the methane trapped in the muddy ice percolates upwards and enters the atmosphere: methane is four times as potent as CO2 at greenhouse effect; furthermore, it breaks down into more CO2 (and water vapour). Lastly, the decaying plant bits start rotting again as microbes gain purchase, producing even more fresh methane. Oh, and did I mention that the methane might catch fire?
And then there are the summertime forest fires. Since Russia is so vast, forest fires can quickly spread over thousands of hectares. A single year of heavy forest fires caused problems to Russia's food supply. Now imagine them as a yearly event.
Warmer weather causes permafrost to thaw, which has several unpleasant consequences.
When it melts, turbo-anthrax spores from 20.000 years ago reactivate; then the water dries off and the (infected) dust gets swept away by the winds. There have already been outbreaks caused by ancient anthrax.
Then the methane trapped in the muddy ice percolates upwards and enters the atmosphere: methane is four times as potent as CO2 at greenhouse effect; furthermore, it breaks down into more CO2 (and water vapour). Lastly, the decaying plant bits start rotting again as microbes gain purchase, producing even more fresh methane. Oh, and did I mention that the methane might catch fire?
And then there are the summertime forest fires. Since Russia is so vast, forest fires can quickly spread over thousands of hectares. A single year of heavy forest fires caused problems to Russia's food supply. Now imagine them as a yearly event.
Sirpopopop
Member
China are the good guys now.
sunshine and gasoline
Banned
Well, in this regard it certainly is.
Noooo they are not.
Tell me how you really feel.
Mr. Giggles
Member
I look forward to North Korea giving the US shit for violations of human rights.
He didn't say that. Never said it. Never said it.
J
Jpop
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China aren't people, Imagine that.
Nikodemos
Member
I hope he remembers that his pet golden macaque needs to present at the very least a semblance of functionality.
YUP. This is fucking crazy times we live in. I can't believe I'm rooting for China to champion the cause of environmental protection. I guess they know better than most how bad it can get so I hope they can convince our worthless incoming leaders to get in line with the rest of the world on this topic.
Sirpopopop
Member
The U.S. government won't allow California to make foreign policy on its own.
koji kabuto
Member
There is clusters of other countries that under the direct political influence of Russia and China, That club accepts new joiners everyday, Philippines and Egypt are latest joiners.
If the US abandons the Paris climate agreement it won't be very difficult to blame the us for the expected thousands of deaths and billions lost due to climate change effect.
Which will lead to huge political, Economical and ethical problems for the US that i don't think Trump understand.
Isn't this just mind-boggling?
I don't get it...
I mean, isn't climate change something that can be measured, studied and confirmed by scientists? why does Trump have to believe China or any foreign country?
aren't there any american, white, male, straight scientists around him that can confirm or debunk the existence of climate change?
I mean, isn't climate change something that can be measured, studied and confirmed by scientists? why does Trump have to believe China or any foreign country?
aren't there any american, white, male, straight scientists around him that can confirm or debunk the existence of climate change?
Yes, but after everything else that's happened isn't this just a drop in the proverbial bucket?
Dubbedinenglish
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It's the same story with lead in the 50s and smoking in 90s. The industry is very big and doing it's damnedest to maintain their profits.
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