Final Fantasy XV SPOILER THREAD
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The name in Japanese used for them is the same as the C'eith from the XIII series. The more you know, etc.
i agree nomura kingdom hearts can be werid sometimes but i would think nomura would treated better then what what xv has now
I am specifically referring to the latter Falk, that's what i have been specifically been looking at. That's why i keep referencing that the cuts have become increasingly more extreme within the past year to 2 years.
With the Versus to 15 change, i thought Nomura had a good handle on his story structure he wanted brought forward out of the ashes. But when he left, and higher up SE were getting impatient, the decision was made to make Kingsglaive, and the process of far more significant rewriting and editing began to ship the game just so it could come out.
Yeah I disagree with it honestly. It could be a matter of taste but as I was playing I got used to the combat and unlocking new moves really helped sustain my enjoyment in it. You could try it in the Judgement Demo if you're not sure about it.
I mean, isn't this still Fabula Nova Crystalis?
No, they got rid of FNC and all allusions to etro and everything else
I think you need to chill.
There's another bunch of conclusions you're jumping to here. :|
yo if it was lightning could just punch all the daemons and turn them back into people
Sumio Mondo
Member
Is this artwork in the game anywhere and serve any actual story purpose?
http://i.imgur.com/Gvqu5L9.jpg
Also, who illustrated that? It's beautiful. Reminds me of Akihiko Yoshida's work on Vagrant Story.
http://i.imgur.com/Gvqu5L9.jpg
Also, who illustrated that? It's beautiful. Reminds me of Akihiko Yoshida's work on Vagrant Story.
i'm not stating these things as if they are what happend 100%. I'm stating what i think was the case.
SE rushed tabata and co to a significant degree and that is what a lot of what the result of the messy outcome is about.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Limited doll like face rigs lead to limited displays of emotion. :|
I think it's just that the game's engine isn't very good, at least not on PC.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
This game's translation/localization looks like one of the worse in the FF series in recent years :-/
I think that is the role of the oracle, to drive back darkness in the world. Whereas the Lucius line represents the darkness.
Hence why Noctis dies, because Luna as the oracle of light died. so if only the Lucius line existed, darkness would throw the world out of balance.
Or so i've heard, not sure if its correct.
Yeah, to a degree.
For the record, I do realize that my posts are in this awkward position where I'm retracting a lot of things I want to say because of work NDA, and I realize this may cause my posts to come off as a smug 'i know more than thou', or make it look like I know more than I actually do.
To be very clear, I'm not a super secret insider, nor am I a Square Enix employee, nor have I been at any point in time. There are some bits of information that came as part of our job, and others I've pieced together based on interactions with people within the company, but do remember that my posts on the matter are based on my own observations, not to be taken as official comment nor taken at face value, since after all, I do have my personal biases (as does everyone) and in the end it's all hearsay.
That being said, I still do think you're jumping to several conclusions as to distilling complicated proceedings to a simple cause and effect, both in directly quoted post and in several other areas.
Since I'm not really at liberty to say more, let's leave it at that.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Speaking only for myself of course, if the story does turn out to be shit, I'm probably going to judge the whole as shit since that's what I was mostly looking forward to.
I personally think the setup of Versus seemed more interesting because of potential complexity, but that's not a guarantee of quality of course. There is even something that could be argued about fun hot messes like Kingdom Hearts. Ultimately though, this is Tabata's game now and he gets all the credit and blame for what it is now.
As I said in the other thread: I am excited to be able to talk more about this game (and y'all should really check out Kotaku on Monday at 10am ET) but I will say that it's silly to judge the story based only on leaked cut-scenes, as so many people are doing in this thread. As I've said before based on the ~12 hours I spent on the preview build, a lot of the character development really unfolds while you're driving around and exploring the world with your party of bros. Without that context, it's impossible for anyone to tell whether the story resonates with them.
Also, Kingdom Hearts' story is hot garbage.
Also, Kingdom Hearts' story is hot garbage.
tghe only reaosn why people think it hot garbage is becuase they dont want to play the side game to understand the concet of kingdom hearts story
Via Purifico
Banned
This is pretty fair and definitely one of those wait and see situations.
And my god I cannot agree enough with Kingdom Hearts, that series is way too far up its own ass to make any sense.
I love the worlds and gameplay but I shrug off the story at this point.
is this the new 'tidus laugh is meant to be awkward'
KH works best in its moment-to-moment narrative, sort of like an anime series.
The fact that it'd take you a good chunk of time to explain to someone unfamiliar all the iterative additions to the narrative, on the other hand, does make a case for it becoming a little needlessly complex.
We're not just judging story based on leaked cutscenes, we also have people here who have been played early copies just like you Jason and have given the same concerned responses in many cases.
I think its reasonable to look at certain things and be concerned, even if the game itself can reform our expectations somewhat in context when the game is being fully played.
I get what your saying. Its AAA game development with hundreds of moving bits and pieces, nothing is ever simple and straight forward cause and effect.
But it is :l
which is undstnable falk i just hate it people comaplin about the story when dont want to play the side games imean im sure nomura didnt want then to be a on seprate plantforms but it what is but alleast nomura is making the game for one system next year
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
That's nowhere near the reason why the story of KH is garbage.
Being complex isn't even an inherent issue, Game of Thrones is complex yet incredibly compelling, Kingdom Hearts relies on INSANELY specific sets of circumstances for it's narrative twists and structure.
nogoodnamesleft
Banned
So general consensus from people who have played it is....?
It's either this or TLG (so little time)
It's either this or TLG (so little time)
Via Purifico
Banned
Does even Kingdom Hearts itself knows the basic foundation anymore? lol.
Sumio Mondo
Member
Wait, just heard the two old bad ass looking villains get like one scene each? What the heck? And people complained about the Judges in FFXII getting little screen time (heck, at least they all got at least three scenes each)...lol.
And what's the point of having party members if you can't even control their actions in even a small way?
And what's the point of having party members if you can't even control their actions in even a small way?
People are conflating story and plot here. FFs tend to have memorable stories, and they are often times pretty simple. The problem is the plot is often needlessly convoluted and the writing and localization can hamper them a lot. The screenplay is also really bad sometimes.
A lot of the people are praising the conversations between the noctis and gang while playing, while others are complain about the conversations while in cutscenes. I dont think there is much of a difference in the writing in these cases, nor has the story change between them, its a screenplay issue.
With a plot as insane as KH, and the length of time between titles, I fully expect Nomura to be winging in with each sequel/prequel whatever.
A lot of the people are praising the conversations between the noctis and gang while playing, while others are complain about the conversations while in cutscenes. I dont think there is much of a difference in the writing in these cases, nor has the story change between them, its a screenplay issue.
With a plot as insane as KH, and the length of time between titles, I fully expect Nomura to be winging in with each sequel/prequel whatever.
Seven Force
Banned
Doubt it!
Kind of amazing that the series is still immensely fun and charming in spite of it's ridiculous scenario.
BossDarkseid
Member
the fact you think that is an excuse...
and i enjoy KH. got the PS4 HD ones pre ordered...
The people who like KH generally like it because its batshit insane even though we sometimes grit our teeth lmao. And the out there completely ridiculous scenario generally ties into that.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
If we're really going to talk about Kingdom Hearts here, the story is honestly pretty clear garbage even if you play all the side games. I find the whole series to be almost objectively stupid, immature nonsense that's perfectly fine with shamelessly throwing the kitchen sink at you in terms of cliches and anime tropes.
And yet, I do find the games enjoyable. They're classic "good" schlock. Fun schlock has a place in the world. Bad schlock is an offense to the senses.
Great schlock: Rocky IV
Awful schlock: Transformers 4
Kingdom Hearts has always been more on the "good" end of schlock to me, whereas FFXV has always looked like it's more on the bad end of schlock. But we'll see once we have the game in our hands I guess.
And yet, I do find the games enjoyable. They're classic "good" schlock. Fun schlock has a place in the world. Bad schlock is an offense to the senses.
Great schlock: Rocky IV
Awful schlock: Transformers 4
Kingdom Hearts has always been more on the "good" end of schlock to me, whereas FFXV has always looked like it's more on the bad end of schlock. But we'll see once we have the game in our hands I guess.
well i guess people get over the story becuase of the charachters are very good devloped
Via Purifico
Banned
By the end of KH3 Aqua appears drawing out her new weapon where her keyblade transforms into a Rapier and lends some of her powers to Sora to help finish the boss.
Why? just because.
Why? just because.
vainglorious
Member
Yeah not convinced. When you have sparse story telling and rely on the character development of the four main characters to push your narrative but they only have extremely shallow and barely there supporting characters to play off of you've got serious problems. Posters in this thread who've played the game love the meat of the gameplay as you do, but they're being very careful not to sugar coat the plot, which has serious issues from their respective accounts.
PKMNTrainer
Member
Yep, I eat that shit up. Love every minute of it, sometimes it can even be quite endearing.
Not going to pretend it's structured well, though.
As far as FFXV goes, I've really enjoyed my first few hours with the game. Already becoming very attached to my squad.
Character building, story/plotting, and writing quality are all different things. This game can have a terrible story with great characters.
Consistently caught off guard by the claims that story has nothing to do with FF's success, which is so backwards I can barely fathom it. FF is totally a success due to its strong narrative focus. Sure, the writing was never great, and the stories could be melodramatic or (perhaps more recently) loaded with anime clichés. But that didn't mean that the major plot beats were uninteresting, even if they were ridiculous. You were a part of the story.
In FFXV, the story is something that seems to happen almost completely without the player. I don't think this was necessary in order to create a road trip vibe; if they wanted an adventure like that, they could have easily lowered the stakes of the plot. The impetus for your entire adventure the invasion of your kingdom and the death of your father, in a game where one of the supposedly major messages is about father and son happens without your participation or visibility. Incidents like this seemingly happen frequently throughout the game. I don't think it's unfair that some people would feel the game isn't worth their money based on what they've seen.
Has the plague of the stars been mentioned in this game?
Seven Force
Banned
My thoughts exactly. And if I can enjoy KH for what it is, I'll probably enjoy XV, even in spite of it's issues. (Though those issues are definitely worth talking about and shouldn't be swept under the rug)
From what i've heard(and dont take it as fact, just what i've heard)
The plague of stars is the calamity that happens when the bloodline of the Oracle and the Lucian Bloodline is not in synch(since the oracle blood represents light and Lucian bloodline represents darkness). So if for example the Oracle gets taken out(which Luna does) the balance gets destroyed and darkness overrruns the world.
So to save it, both bloodlines have to be taken out to avoid the calamity, hence Noctis sacrificing himself for good.
Again that's just what i have picked up from places, but it may not be the actual definition
Solid Sora
Member
I found a second super boss. A LV110 samurai called Ayakashi: http://iob.imgur.com/uYGg/L09t1y8uzy
What's the other one you found? or do you just mean admontoise?
Solid Sora
Member
yeah.
ahh what surpose to be?
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
We have consoles with the ablity to take screenshots yet you did this, I rarely get to ask people this but WHY are you posting potato footage phone screens?!!
Yes on most accounts, but the link did mention they were still doing rewrites at that time.
somewhat copule this were wrong but leak got ending right
Solid Sora
Member
Don't want to post it on twitter because it's a spoiler, and too lazy to transfer it using a usb then upload it though pc. too much work.