Casuals and haters didn't buy in with the returning cast dlc so Capcom just going with new characters wouldn't matter either way?
5 of Street Fighter V Season 2 characters are going to be newcomers
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Casuals and haters didn't buy in with the returning cast dlc so Capcom just going with new characters wouldn't matter either way?
Haters gonna hate anyway so why bother i would say let them do new characters so far Capcom didn't disappoint with any of the new characters.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Five new characters sounds dope. Gimme someone else from Mika's squad.
Preferably the klutzy drunkard or the Nadeshiko persona that fights dirty.
Preferably the klutzy drunkard or the Nadeshiko persona that fights dirty.
Hmm, I have mixed feelings about this, as is common with things nowadays it seems.
On the hand do I definitely applaud them for introducing more new faces so that the game can feel fresh(er) and so that hopefully some of them will become the next series' staples. We need fresh blood and not just repeats of the same cast over and over just because people seem afraid of change. I also agree with Lupinko that returning vets do not necessarily lead to better (casual) sales either, so the argument that SFV is now truly dead seems overblown.
On the other hand, if this means that they won't include any of the already featured new people from V's story modes, i.e. Azam, Ed, "Eisbahn", etc., then that would be going a bit too far perhaps as people have already started to form some attachement for or interest in them. The same applies to not including any already featured returning characters that haven't seen action in a long time like Oro, Sean and Necro (or even C.Viper and Abel for that matter). Including those characters in story mode content exclusively is a bit of a unnecessary tease or even a slap in the face of their fans if they'd have to wait another year or more before possibly seeing them return.
Finally, this decision makes me even less enthusiastic about Akuma returning. I get that people wanted him and I even like his new design, but if he's really the only returning character for a whole year, I definitely feel his slot should have been given to a character that is more different from exisitng characters visually and in terms of moves (i.e. no Shoto in general).
Personally, I'd have hoped for 8 new characters and in that case my ideal selection would have been as follows:
- 2 returning vets from IV (Cody, Rose, Blanka (yes, really), Gouken, C.Viper, Abel - though no Decapre and preferably no Akuma or Sagat without a redesign to make them less Shoto-like)
- 2 newcomers (Azam, Ed, "Eisbahn", or someone complete new - such as an Indonesian Pencak Silat fighter based on a character from The Raid, like I mentioned before)
- 2 returning characters that we haven't seen in IV (Sean, Necro, Oro, Retsu, Maki)
- 2 guest characters from other Capcom fighting game (related) IP (Rival Schools and SF EX guests preferably, or a new Final Fight character)
If they actually plan on doing updates for this game till 2020, I feel that a mixed approach like the one suggested above would keep a broader selection of fans happy than just the fans who want a radical refresh and see newcomers pretty much exclusively. Maybe Capcom chose to get the new faces into the game asap so that they have room to grow on people and so that they are not overshadowed by popular veterans, which if true is admirable even if it does come with an increased risk of people sticking to what they know (i.e. characters already in the game, like what we saw this season when pretty much no DLC characters were actively used in tournaments).
On the hand do I definitely applaud them for introducing more new faces so that the game can feel fresh(er) and so that hopefully some of them will become the next series' staples. We need fresh blood and not just repeats of the same cast over and over just because people seem afraid of change. I also agree with Lupinko that returning vets do not necessarily lead to better (casual) sales either, so the argument that SFV is now truly dead seems overblown.
On the other hand, if this means that they won't include any of the already featured new people from V's story modes, i.e. Azam, Ed, "Eisbahn", etc., then that would be going a bit too far perhaps as people have already started to form some attachement for or interest in them. The same applies to not including any already featured returning characters that haven't seen action in a long time like Oro, Sean and Necro (or even C.Viper and Abel for that matter). Including those characters in story mode content exclusively is a bit of a unnecessary tease or even a slap in the face of their fans if they'd have to wait another year or more before possibly seeing them return.
Finally, this decision makes me even less enthusiastic about Akuma returning. I get that people wanted him and I even like his new design, but if he's really the only returning character for a whole year, I definitely feel his slot should have been given to a character that is more different from exisitng characters visually and in terms of moves (i.e. no Shoto in general).
Personally, I'd have hoped for 8 new characters and in that case my ideal selection would have been as follows:
- 2 returning vets from IV (Cody, Rose, Blanka (yes, really), Gouken, C.Viper, Abel - though no Decapre and preferably no Akuma or Sagat without a redesign to make them less Shoto-like)
- 2 newcomers (Azam, Ed, "Eisbahn", or someone complete new - such as an Indonesian Pencak Silat fighter based on a character from The Raid, like I mentioned before)
- 2 returning characters that we haven't seen in IV (Sean, Necro, Oro, Retsu, Maki)
- 2 guest characters from other Capcom fighting game (related) IP (Rival Schools and SF EX guests preferably, or a new Final Fight character)
If they actually plan on doing updates for this game till 2020, I feel that a mixed approach like the one suggested above would keep a broader selection of fans happy than just the fans who want a radical refresh and see newcomers pretty much exclusively. Maybe Capcom chose to get the new faces into the game asap so that they have room to grow on people and so that they are not overshadowed by popular veterans, which if true is admirable even if it does come with an increased risk of people sticking to what they know (i.e. characters already in the game, like what we saw this season when pretty much no DLC characters were actively used in tournaments).
sixteen-bit
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you're missing #putsagatinmvci
So people didn't buy season 1 characters because Capcom release the trailer too late?
I mean, seriously?
SolarPowered
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It doesn't help that quite a few of them were not very good balance-wise on top of being completely different visually. Juri chest covering aside (an actual legit improvement) Alex and Ibuki's new looks were not appreciated by people at all and we're about to enter the new year without their 3S alts. It amuses me that Capcom seemingly learned not to do that again with Urien when they made him the first recognizably mid tier (at the very least) DLC character who also has a button code that brings back his much loved classic look. It almost seems like they learned not to pull that stunt again if they actually want people to buy a character or a season. Even Akuma's classic look was revealed alongside his default day 1.
#learningthingsthehardway
It would be hilarious if one of the newcomers was one of Sagat's rivals, Emperor Nakan:
I'd love all of them to be playable. But first of all I'd want Fuuka and Raika (mostly Fuuka).
God, look at her. She's so goddamn cool.
I'd love Simone, but I want her in Mahvel more.
I basically said that, though. Aside from Mongolia and North Korea, every independent nation from East Asia is represented in SF already.
I'd love all of them to be playable. But first of all I'd want Fuuka and Raika (mostly Fuuka).
God, look at her. She's so goddamn cool.
I'd love Simone, but I want her in Mahvel more.
I basically said that, though. Aside from Mongolia and North Korea, every independent nation from East Asia is represented in SF already.
Makoto in 2018 then? Hopefully at least makoto is in mvc:I
I'd be so psyched by this, but her playstyle probably isnt that great for those types of games.
BronsonLee
Member
People didn't buy the S1 Season Pass almost entirely because Alex sucks
It's true, I have sources!
It's true, I have sources!
The Lone Dragon
Member
People also thought the CPT DLC didn't sell because "OMG $25"...but, then Capcom released the prize pool numbers, and the DLC actually SURPASSED their goal.
Basically, what I'm saying is that no one knows how the SF5 DLC sold, so people shouldn't comment on it without actual data. If the CPT DLC sold so well, there's a good chance the other, less expensive DLC also sold well.
ColonialHawk
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Bruh 1v1 me FT10
Season 1's character pass was marred by the game being in a faux beta state where they were literally handing out the characters for free temporarily during its shittiest points. If they decided to stray so far from returning characters (when the starting roster is so tiny and with so many missing characters) because of DLC sales, they're attributing those numbers to the wrong issue.
BronsonLee
Member
Let me stop you there
I'm not being serious
Cool but you can't use Alex and you're blindfolded
The Lone Dragon
Member
I know.
Just because someone quotes your message in a public forum doesn't mean they're just talking to you.
BronsonLee
Member
I'm the only one that matters tho
lucebuce12
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Pop On Arrival
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I'm salty as fuck we're still NOT getting sagat. This whole new character bullshit is boneheaded in my opinion, specially more so if you've seen them in the story mode already.
Just give the fucking fans what they want!
Just give the fucking fans what they want!
Bob Coffee
Member
No skullomania no sale! No justice!
katsubento
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I'm okay with new characters. As long as they are fun...
sixteen-bit
Member
Garuda is the 5th shadow, right?
lucebuce12
Member
Seems to be the popular theory.
Exactly
I'm very much looking forward to the new characters and I hope we even get a doll. SFV's dolls are really well done.
sixteen-bit
Member
Satsuki 4th shadow, believe
I'm rooting for Australian fighter so they could add the train stage they cut awhile ago. Their excuse for not including that stage is they doesn't have any Australian representative.
STRAYA
Same. SFIV newcomers (apart from Viper) were so lacklustre compared to SFV. Laura, Rashid, Necalli and FANG are all have very distinct and unique plays styles that I'm excited to see more of what Capcom has to offer.
Indeed. When a new game comes out it's good to ensure to have that sense of creativity for the game to feel fresh and exciting. They already have more "classic" characters than newcomers so I can definitely hop on board to get the roster more balanced.
Pretty much.
Sounds like you want it to be a "blunder" but failing (as usual) by grasping at any straw possibly to build that narrative. Let's stop with the concern trolling.
Trump: WRONG.
Might sell more (because MCU) but it won't beat SFV's first year tourney numbers nor the continuous attention and dedication from the FGC.
Trump again: WRONG.
Ono (the producer) said they have plans to support it up to 2020 so far, which means it could go on after that.
thepenguin55
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I feel like selling mostly new characters as season 2 dlc is a rough pitch. If 4 or 5 of the characters were classic characters and the rest were new I think that's more reasonable. Also, the fact that Capcom can't even at the very least give us sketch art of each of the new characters and a quick bio of each before we plunk down $30 for a season 2 pass is ridiculous. I feel like they've learned nothing from year 1 of this game.
The only reason I recently wound up buying the season 1 pass is because all the characters were known quantities at that time of my purchase and I had a $25 gift card. So with tax the season 1 pass cost me about $7 which is the high end of what I wanted to pay for it because I think the season 1 pass content should have just been on the game disc. SFV with the season 1 pass is what the game's character roster should have been at launch. I think I'm actually going to try to just unlock characters with fight money going forward and see how that goes, but maybe I'll just wait it out and see what these new characters look like. If they're cool I may get the season pass.
The only reason I recently wound up buying the season 1 pass is because all the characters were known quantities at that time of my purchase and I had a $25 gift card. So with tax the season 1 pass cost me about $7 which is the high end of what I wanted to pay for it because I think the season 1 pass content should have just been on the game disc. SFV with the season 1 pass is what the game's character roster should have been at launch. I think I'm actually going to try to just unlock characters with fight money going forward and see how that goes, but maybe I'll just wait it out and see what these new characters look like. If they're cool I may get the season pass.
Personally, I'm very happy about This news. I'm someone who will Always play a new character when a new fighting game iteration comes out. If you really look at street fighter five, you can see what capcom was going for and i really appreciate it. They are trying to create different play styles and make each character unique in it's own right. if you look at the the history of newcomers of the past you'll notice that are VERY different and stand out from the OG cast.
I think the QOL changes are going to be what really open this game up. this will give the characters with more risk/reward play time to shine, and it forces players to use the characters unique assets to actually outplay their opponent. this means you actually have to understand the character you're playing against, and make a decision based on that.
Perfect example is why risk a dp anti air with ryu when you can just press jab, like 90% of the cast can do.
I'm excited to see the variety open up even more with the new season. I want to see different play styles and just have fun learning the new matchups and how to play defend them.
I think the QOL changes are going to be what really open this game up. this will give the characters with more risk/reward play time to shine, and it forces players to use the characters unique assets to actually outplay their opponent. this means you actually have to understand the character you're playing against, and make a decision based on that.
Perfect example is why risk a dp anti air with ryu when you can just press jab, like 90% of the cast can do.
I'm excited to see the variety open up even more with the new season. I want to see different play styles and just have fun learning the new matchups and how to play defend them.
I'm rooting for Australian fighter so they could add the train stage they cut awhile ago. Their excuse for not including that stage is they doesn't have any Australian representative.
Not like we had a Greek fighter in SFA3 but we got that beautiful greek village stage for cammy. Its probably one of my favorite levels in a sf level aesthetically. The famous thunderstorm in a grassy field stage from A2 is from Australia anyway. Just make cool stages, who cares if there is a fighter from there or not, they can always come later. It didn't stop SF4 from having 2 africa stages after all with no african rep until USF4.
Ugh if that was actually true. Pullum Purna > every other EX character.
What?
Just because I say it sounds like another blunder it's trolling? Definitely not, that's what I believe given their track record in which they've proven even prior to this game's launch. There's evidence. Now we're seeing multiple people saying they dislike this idea. Just because you trust them with this and you like the idea doesn't mean those who don't are trolling when they make said comments. It looks as though you're getting defensive because others have a difference of opinion when really their difference of opinion is warranted given how Capcom's rollout has been with this game. If anything, I'd say stop being defensive towards others disagreeing with this idea and let their opinions rock because their opinions are just as warranted as those who approve of this.
"Mulitiple" people does not amount to this decision being a blunder because "multiple" people (if not, the majority) are in favour of seeing new and fresh characters. Akuma already looks amazing and seems, so far, much better than his SF4 (and Tekken) counter part, hence why many people are exciting to see the prospect of new characters with new play styles.
What?
I've seen more people say they want classic characters than people who approve of 5 brand new characters. If you think that's a good thing? I don't know what to tell you. Nobody says these new characters won't be fun or fresh, what people have said however is that they're not who they want hence why they're soured on the idea and hence why they're not picking the pass up. As for Akuma, I've seen more people saying they'll just get him separately away from the pass rather than with the pass. I've also not seen one person say he's better than his Tekken counterpart from an appearance standpoint, same with his classic. Gameplay-wise that's a different story because he's obviously better there. The point remains, this "5 new characters, none are classic SF characters" thing looks like another SFV blunder to me. If you disagree with that? Disagree with it. I'll keep saying it because they haven't proven to me that it's not regardless of who likes it based on what I've seen.
I think this was a ballsy approach; they definitely deserve credit for that. However, I also think it was a little stupid. If they had announced that there would be ten characters added to this season, and half of them would be completely new, that would have been super hype. Unfortunately, it seems like they may have underestimated how much attachment people have formed with established characters.
Still, we will see how it turns out...
Still, we will see how it turns out...
Obviously I disagree but it seems completely ignoring what I'm saying and being a condescending and patronising individual is more your thing. I just explained to you why people want new characters and why it's not a "blunder" per se yet you keep on failing to understand that and become very defensive. For all we know, even if they announced "classic" characters the popularity of the season pass could be the same, and the fact that we still wouldn't know the characters coming, certain people would still be on the fence purchasing it.
Scrub Mcgrubb
Member
What if Zen shows up this season? The Bogard leak was real... they just put FANG in Season 1 and pushed Zen into season 2.
Sorry bruh but I'm done with this. The first thing you said to me here is that I was trolling simply because I think it'll be another SFV blunder and now you say this. I've given my reasons as to why I think it's a blunder (which are legit reasons) and regardless if you disagree the fact remains that everyone has an opinion which they shouldn't be insulted for. The fact you consider me condescending and patronizing even though you outright call a post "trolling" because you disagree and are defensive towards my comment? Nah. I'm not even going to entertain that type of behavior. NeoGaf isn't made for insulting others and that's not how debates are done.
Later.
I stated you were a concern troll because you have a habit of using an issue and conflating it into a bigger one to fit your narrative. Also, replying to a conversation on the forum with "What?", "you can think what you like" and using anecdotal evidence are how debates are done right?
Later.
SneakersSO
Member
I mean, he could be. Truth is, we don't know who any of the new guys are. People are trying to draw conclusions from the silhouettes & the CFN profile page for characters, but I think there are going to be quite a few surprises in this list. The only one I see is that Gill's assistant winds up becoming a character. The similarities in the silhouette & her normal profile are too much to ignore. Outside of her, all bets are off.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
Is it foolish to think one of those could be Goutetsu?
I agree, though within limits (i.e. there should be more levels that do correspond with characters' nationality or story arc than those that don't imo, this in order for the non-corresponding levels to feel more special).
In other words, give me that cut Australian train level Capcom! Moving levels like Terry's train level in Garou, where the background keeps changing between rounds, have always been some of my favorites in fact.
sixteen-bit
Member
Is it foolish to think one of those could be Goutetsu?
Lol, has Akuma successfully killed anyone?
Another L
Gouken's still dead, and there's no indication that Gen affected IV's story and in fact his endings contradict Chun-Li's, which is canon. Chances are both of those are still death and where what-ifs. If Goutetsu appears, he'd probably be a what-if as well.