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[HeelPower]

It's really one of the most memorable scenes in modern FF, IMO. Even the Lucavi in FFT wish they were as evil as this.

Except its not ?

It reinforces how these characters were little more than fodder meant to die with little to no actual characterization.

Its a cheap attempt at emotional manipulation,Ardyn didn't even earn this moment.He's not even nearly as bad as the moment lets on.Just because he tells he's a baddie doesn't make him one.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Except its not ?

It reinforces how these characters were little more than fodder meant to die with little to no actual characterization.

Its a cheap attempt at emotional manipulation,Ardyn didn't even earn this moment.He's not even nearly as bad as the moment lets on.Just because he tells he's a baddie doesn't make him one.

Exactly. You're missing the point. It's about Ardyn, not them.

It's like FFT when you enter the room with a near-dead Izlude and torn-up corpses and bits splattered everywhere because Izlude's father just went on a rampage.

 

[kiaaa]

Except its not ?

It reinforces how these characters were little more than fodder meant to die with little to no actual characterization.

Its a cheap attempt at emotional manipulation,Ardyn didn't even earn this moment.He's not even nearly as bad as the moment lets on.Just because he tells he's a baddie doesn't make him one.

It's an illusion and it fits his character perfectly. He's literally just fucking with Noctis like he has been for the entire game.

 

[Pygrus]

Except its not ?

It reinforces how these characters were little more than fodder meant to die with little to no actual characterization.

Its a cheap attempt at emotional manipulation,Ardyn didn't even earn this moment.He's not even nearly as bad as the moment lets on.Just because he tells he's a baddie doesn't make him one.

It actually did the total opposite for me.

Seeing them hanging there actually hit me pretty hard.

 

[Mailbox]

Except its not ?

It reinforces how these characters were little more than fodder meant to die with little to no actual characterization.

Its a cheap attempt at emotional manipulation,Ardyn didn't even earn this moment.He's not even nearly as bad as the moment lets on.Just because he tells he's a baddie doesn't make him one.

Did you miss all the shit that he pulled from chapter 11-13 or something or are you just having selective memory? Ardyn does earn that moment. Its a perfect bookend to his elaborate fuckery of noct's (and by proxy, the player's) psyche.

I get that you hate the game, but that scene was in no way cheap. I was personally shocked and impressed by that scene.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Wah wahh Midgar Zolom didn't have any characterization, this Sephiroth guy is a joke, he didn't earn this moment! /s

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

It actually did the total opposite for me.

Seeing them hanging there actually hit me pretty hard.

Is just a poor shock trick, that seems pulled from a c-rate horror movie.

The fact that neither Noctis and Ardyn even comments on the imagery makes it weird and unnecesary.

 

[HeelPower]

Wah wahh Midgar Zolom didn't have any characterization, this Sephiroth guy is a joke, he didn't earn this moment! /s

Completely different.

This is a display of Sephiroth's raw physical strength & it comes after you encounter this seemingly unbeatable enemy.

Completely different situation & purpose.

 

[Vincent Alexander]

I enjoy Ardyn a lot more when I think of him as someone with a split personality. I feel like when he is cordial to Noctis, he is being sincere. Like when he bows to him in the afterlife. He is actually happy to see Noctis. He wants to finally die and know peace. But the side of him filled with demons is the evil asshole who displays corpses to Noctis, and who takes over Ardyn's body to fight off Noctis in the afterlife before Luna's blessing takes his guard down.

Just my interpretation. But I like thinking of him this way.

 

[Pygrus]

Is just a poor shock trick, that seems pulled from a c-rate horror movie.

The fact that neither Noctis and Ardyn even comments on the imagery makes it weird and unnecesary.

I understand you hate the game, but this is so dumb.

The Magitek soldiers jumping out in chapter 13 was a cheap shock trick. The corpses hanging there was not.

They don't need to say anything, the looks on their face was enough.

Every post you make just makes me think it you didn't actually play the game.

 

[Chaserjoey]

Soon, one of the towns/outposts is meant to be covered in snow and Christmas decorations for the season right? (I forget if this was the holiday pack or just a patch).

Any ideas which one it could be?

Spoiler

Probably Lestallum

 

[Vincent Alexander]

Is just a poor shock trick, that seems pulled from a c-rate horror movie.

The fact that neither Noctis and Ardyn even comments on the imagery makes it weird and unnecesary.

I convinced myself they didn't comment because they've matured. It's a great show of strength that Ardyn could display those corpses, and yet Noctis never looks away from Ardyn. "A king sits there," he says. Noctis is all business in that scene.

 

[Ray Down]

Soon, one of the towns/outposts is meant to be covered in snow and Christmas decorations for the season right? (I forget if this was the holiday pack or just a patch).

Any ideas which one it could be?

Spoiler

Probably Lestallum

Holiday pack, also why do you have to spoiler tag that?

 

[Mailbox]

Is just a poor shock trick, that seems pulled from a c-rate horror movie.

The fact that neither Noctis and Ardyn even comments on the imagery makes it weird and unnecesary.

Disagree. Its all about the bookending. Its about the symbolism that Ardyn has taken everything and fucked over everyone. The characters do react initially, especially in their facial expressions.

The reason Noct doesn't pay it more mind than he does is because, as seen in the campfire scene, he's resolute. He's done with Ardyn's mindgames and trickery.

 

[kiaaa]

Completely different.

This is a display of Sephiroth's raw physical strength & it comes after you encounter this seemingly unbeatable enemy.

Completely different situation & purpose.

It serves the same purpose. Both scenes are designed to physically show off a major character trait. If anything, Ardyn's scene comes a little late in the game.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

I understand you hate the game, but this is so dumb.

The Magitek soldiers jumping out in chapter 13 was a cheap shock trick. The corpses hanging there was not.

They don't need to say anything, the looks on their face was enough.

Every post you make just makes me think it you actually played the game.

lol

I don't mean shock as scary, but shock as a brutal imagery. And fails because, Noctis should be enraged, and he isn't, I didn't saw anything in their faces that their usual rivalry. Ardyn never stops mocking Noctis when he has the ocasion, after doing something aggravating to him, and he dosn't, is like in the actual dialogue those corpses never were there, and they were added after, or maybe the contrary.

It feels random, and while the scene has potential, the writers dosn't do anything worthwhile with it.

I convinced myself they didn't comment because they've matured. It's a great show of strength that Ardyn could display those corpses, and yet Noctis never looks away from Ardyn. "A king sits there," he says. Noctis is all business in that scene.

Who? Ardyn after 2000 years of grudge matures?

 

[Mailbox]

It serves the same purpose. Both scenes are designed to physically show off a major character trait. If anything, Ardyn's scene comes a little late in the game.

Actually I do agree they serve 2 different perposes, I just think they work both equally well.

One is to portray how out of your league Sephoroth is (indicating a start of a journey, basically), the other is about the Psychological destruction Ardyn has been pulling the entire game and how he has screwed over everyone and won in the end (indicating a bookend to a story).

 

[jb1234]

Completely different.

This is a display of Sephiroth's raw physical strength & it comes after you encounter this seemingly unbeatable enemy.

Completely different situation & purpose.

In addition, we weren't expected to care about the Zolom like we were some of the characters in XV who were dispatched without appropriate setup.

 

[Pygrus]

lol

I don't mean shock as scary, but shock as a brutal imagery. And fails because, Noctis should be enraged, and he isn't, I didn't saw anything in their faces that their usual rivalry. Ardyn nnever stops mocking Noctis, and he dosn't, is like in the actual dialogue those corpses never were there, and they were added after, or maybe the contrary.

It feels random, and while the scene has potential, the writters dosn't do anything with it.

I love how you know how noctis should react.

Are you Tabata in disguise?

Stop trying to comment on a game you never played...

 

[kiaaa]

lol

I don't mean shock as scary, but shock as a brutal imagery. And fails because, Noctis should be enraged, and he isn't, I didn't saw anything in their faces that their usual rivalry. Ardyn nnever stops mocking Noctis, and he dosn't, is like in the actual dialogue those corpses never were there, and they were added after, or maybe the contrary.

It feels random, and while the scene has potential, the writters dosn't do anything with it.

You did say "c rate horror movie."

The characters do acknowledge the corpses, but at this point, they realize it's just Ardyn fucking with them again and power through it. Prompto even comments on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp_bWkfbH14&

Actually I do agree they serve 2 different perposes, I just think they work both equally well.

One is to portray how out of your league Sephoroth is (indicating a start of a journey, basically), the other is about the Psychological destruction Ardyn has been pulling the entire game and how he has screwed over everyone and won in the end (indicating a bookend to a story).

I was speaking in a more general sense, but yeah, they definitely work towards those purposes as well.

 

[Rad Shadow]

Fun fact. Sephiroth does not kill that snake. Lol

It's Jenova people!

 

[Mailbox]

lol

I don't mean shock as scary, but shock as a brutal imagery. And fails because, Noctis should be enraged, and he isn't, I didn't saw anything in their faces that their usual rivalry. Ardyn never stops mocking Noctis when he has the ocasion, after doing something aggravating to him, and he dosn't, is like in the actual dialogue those corpses never were there, and they were added after, or maybe the contrary.

It feels random, and while the scene has potential, the writers dosn't do anything worthwhile with it.



Who? Ardyn after 2000 years of grudge matures?

This post really proves to me that you really suck at reading between the lines -_-

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

I love how you know how noctis should react.

Are you Tamara in disguise?

Stop trying to comment on a game you never played...

Tamara? Who is tamara? Is she related to Jared?

And you wanna a screenshot? You wanna bet your account on it?

This post really proves to me that you really suck at reading between the lines -_-

FF XV and between lines, don't go together.

This is not Joyce's Ulisses.

 

[HeelPower]

The only thing demonstrably evil thing that Ardyn does was stab Luna out of fucking nowhere.

He also informed Niflheim how to turn people into Daemons so I guess he triggered Niflheim's shitty experiments(but again,all this happens offscreen)

He was once a good guy who cleansed people of the scourge but got screwed over by the gods.Was he really good ? If he was good he would have expected nothing in return. Was he just looking to help those in return of the God's Adulation & recognition ? Then fuck him.(all of this happened offscreen too,you are told this in two quick lines)

Greatest villain of all time.Tops sephiroth.Tops Kefka.Tops Seymour.

I like Ardyn.He's well voiced.His scenes were fun ,but he's not the best in the series.

 

[Tyaren]

Is just a poor shock trick, that seems pulled from a c-rate horror movie.

The fact that neither Noctis and Ardyn even comments on the imagery makes it weird and unnecesary.

It's not a poor shock trick. It's literally just a few figures dangling from the ceiling. That alone does shock no one here. We've seen way waaay worse, lol.
It punched so many right in the gut (including me) because they learned to care for these characters. For their great sacrifices they didn't deserve to be treated this vile and inhumane in death. It shocked me and made me sad for that reason.

Also, they did indeed react strongly to the imagery that they saw when they entered the room. As a reminder:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9hDyGek_Ss

Oh, I see you didn't even play the game...

 

[Vincent Alexander]

Who? Ardyn after 2000 years of grudge matures?

Noctis. Ardyn doesn't need to comment. It's more menacing that he say nothing. It comes off like to him it is perfectly normal. It would be hard for him to comment without it coming off badly. I would've rolled my eyes if Ardyn said "like the decorations?"

 

[Roubjon]

I'm doing a quest that is about these earthquakes that keep coming up (which I'm guessing is the Adamantoise?) and I laughed when this random diner was filled with 12 /14 of my dumbass friends I met on my journey. I don't think I've ever cared less about a group of NPCs lol. Cid and Iris are cool though.

 

[Pygrus]

Tamara? Who is tamara? Is she related to Jared?

And you wanna a screenshot? You wanna bet your account on it?



FF XV and between lines, don't go together.

This is not James Joyce Ulisses.

Sorry, I meant Tabata. You know autocorrect and all

Please dude, show me that sweet sweet cup noodle certificate.

Also can I get a picture of your ice cold heart too?

 

[kiaaa]

The only thing demonstrably evil thing that Ardyn does was stab Luna out of fucking nowhere.

He also informed Niflheim how to turn people into Daemons so I guess he triggered Niflheim's shitty experiments(but again,all this happens offscreen)

He was once a good guy who cleansed people of the scourge but got screwed over by the gods.Was he really good ? If he was good he would have expected nothing in return. Was he just looking to help those in return of the God's Adulation & recognition ? Then fuck him.(all of this happened offscreen too,you are told this in two quick lines)

Greatest villain of all time.Tops sephiroth.Tops Kefka.Tops Seymour.

I like Ardyn.He's well voiced.His scenes were fun ,but he's not the best in the series.

Just because they're offscreen doesn't mean he isn't doing terrible things. He literally turns an entire country into daemons.

Also he wasn't expecting anything in return from the gods. He just didn't expect them to completely turn on him and leave him to a cursed and immortal life, especially when they gave him the task in the first place.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

It's not a poor shock trick. It's literally just a few figures dangling from the ceiling. That alone does shock no one here. We've seen way waaay worse, lol.
It punched so many right in the gut (including me) because they learned to care for these characters. For their great sacrifices they didn't deserve to be treated this vile and inhumane in death. It shocked me and made me sad for that reason.

Also, they did indeed react strongly to the imagery that they saw when they entered the room. As a reminder:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9hDyGek_Ss

Oh, I see you didn't even play the game...

"Why is that?"

You call that a reaction of Luna and Regis corpses hangin on the ceiling?

Noctis. Ardyn doesn't need to comment. It's more menacing that he say nothing. It comes off like to him it is perfectly normal. It would be hard for him to comment without it coming off badly. I would've rolled my eyes if Ardyn said "like the decorations?"

But Ardyn constantly tries to get under Noctis sking all the time, why he dosn't need to comment, precisely when he pulls his more cruel momment?

He constantly mocks Noctis for 3 hours on chapter 13 over a stupid kidnapping that ends on nothing.

Sorry, I meant Tabata. You know autocorrect and all

Please dude, show me that sweet sweet cup noodle certificate.

Also can I get a picture of your ice cold heart too?

I'll only do it, if you bet your account.

 

[Pygrus]

"Why is that?"

You call that a reaction of Luna and Regis corpses hangin on the ceiling?



But Ardyn constantly tries to get under Noctis sking all the time, why he dosn't need to comment, precisely when he pulls his more cruel momment?

He constantly mocks Noctis for 3 hours on chapter 13 over a stupid kidnapping that ends on nothing.

He did react to the crazy stuff Ardyn does, the whole group reacts to the crazy stuff Ardyn does.

Like him saving them in the beginning of the game as well as noctis reacting to all the crazy shit on the train.

Did you play the game?

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

He did react to the crazy stuff Ardyn does, the whole group reacts to the crazy stuff Ardyn does.

Like him saving them in the beginning of the game as well as noctis reacting to all the crazy shit on the train.

Did you play the game?

He dosn't react, in a credible manner, in that particular scene. That's precisely the point, I'm trying to make. Ardyn dosn't makes any remark about the fact he put his fiancee and father corpses hanging, when he dosn't shuts up for 3 hours in chapter 13.

You were so sure, I didn't played, and now you asking again? Wanna bet?

 

[Mailbox]

The only thing demonstrably evil thing that Ardyn does was stab Luna out of fucking nowhere.

He also informed Niflheim how to turn people into Daemons so I guess he triggered Niflheim's shitty experiments(but again,all this happens offscreen)

He was once a good guy who cleansed people of the scourge but got screwed over by the gods.Was he really good ? If he was good he would have expected nothing in return. Was he just looking to help those in return of the God's Adulation & recognition ? Then fuck him.(all of this happened offscreen too,you are told this in two quick lines)

Greatest villain of all time.Tops sephiroth.Tops Kefka.Tops Seymour.

And you too suck at reading between the lines -_-

- Ardyn starts off as trying to heal the scourge by puting deamons into his soul. This turns him immortal and corrupted. He was never looking for the god's favor, because he was given it a lot time ago. It was reneged and he was cast aside. Betrayed by the new king, the gods, and can't even die. You got his motivation for his past all wrong

- He Effectively causes the empire to rely on Magitek troopers so that when the time comes for shit to go crazy, Nifilhm will be powerless and no one left alive.

- Kills luna when he does because he doesn't need her anymore. Bahamut is missing in the crystal, and Ifrit is on his side, and Shiva is dead, so Leviathan is the last astral Noct needs to absorb. Killing Luna also accelerates the Scourge, making the world go to shit.

- He Forces Noct to constantly attack prompto, and then captures prompto, guilding the remaining trio through the capital to fuck with their minds.

- All the gods die, Noctis dies, He can finally die, He wins.

I'd say thats a pretty damn good villain.

 

[HeelPower]

Just because they're offscreen doesn't mean he isn't doing terrible things. He literally turns an entire country into daemons.

Also he wasn't expecting anything in return from the gods. He just didn't expect them to completely turn on him and leave him to a cursed and immortal life, especially when they gave him the task in the first place.

Was it just his doing ?

Niflheim cooperated with him. He didn't force anyone to do this kind of research.

Iedolas and the scientist are just as responsible.He made it sound like he merely tipped them off.

 

[Evil Monkey DTT]

The shot of the hanging corpse is a memorable shot, and a damn cool one too. But no he's not the best villian in final fantasy, I think he's a good one though.

 

[Pygrus]

He dosn't react, in a credible manner, in that particular scene. That's precisely the point, I'm trying to make.

You were so sure, I didn't played, and now you asking again? Wanna bet?

A lot of people seem to think he reacted in a credible manner, sorry you missed the cues, did you play the game?

 

[Mailbox]

Was it just his doing ?

Niflheim cooperated with him. He didn't force anyone to do this kind of research.

Iedolas and the scientist are just as responsible.He made it sound like he merely tipped them off.

Who give a shit if he didn't force them, that makes it all the more evil. He basically weakened the internal structure o Nihilhim's defenses and army by making them think they were getting stronger until the eternal night hits and all goes to shit. Super elaborate and fucked up, i'd say.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

A lot of people seem to think he reacted in a credible manner, sorry you missed the cues, did you play the game?

And others does think that he didn't.

Yes, I played the game. Wanna bet?

 

[Vincent Alexander]

But Ardyn constantly tries to get under Noctis sking all the time, why he dosn't need to comment, precisely when he pulls his more cruel momment?

He constantly mocks Noctis for 3 hours on chapter 13 over a stupid kidnapping that ends on it.

Chapter what? I blanked that one from my memory.

 

[kiaaa]

Was it just his doing ?

Niflheim cooperated with him. He didn't force anyone to do this kind of research.

Iedolas and the scientist are just as responsible.He made it sound like he merely tipped them off.

He didn't explain how he was going to create daemons or what the cost would be and Niflheim didn't realize what was going on until it was too late. I'll give you that they should've explained that part better than some scattered documents in Chapter 13, but it's there.

 

[Zomba13]

While it was a bit odd that none of them mention the corpses at the end, Ignis is excused because he's blind, Noctis has grown at that point and is way past done with Ardyn's games. Prompto or Gladio maybe could have said something more (other than just mentioning his spite/grudge) but there was really no need to be shocked at that point. They know about Ardyn's fuckery and how he enjoyed messing with them, they know he can do illusion stuff because of the train bit. They probably just assumed "oh, pretty well preserved 10+ year old corpses? Including two of people I've never met? Probably not real."

It was good to have them not as a "remember these guys? Aren't you maaaaad?" but as a doubling down on Ardyn and how he just wants to mess with them, he wants to torture them. Even at the end he's pulling these stupid, spiteful tricks to get a rise out of Noctis. He doesn't want to be cool or show off his evil badge or wave his big snake beating dick around. He wants desperately to get under Noctis skin.

 

[Ruff]

Was it just his doing ?

Niflheim cooperated with him. He didn't force anyone to do this kind of research.

Iedolas and the scientist are just as responsible.He made it sound like he merely tipped them off.

They were not aware that daemons were born of people, and infect other people to turn them. Ardyn tipped them off about capturing and modifying deamons to use as war machines and MT's because Niflhiem is power hungry and it was easy to dangle that olive branch of power. Ardyns game was waiting for an outbreak to occur and completely wipe out the Niflhiem region and it's ruler once it's usefulness to his goals were done.

So basically he took advantage of them, then left them to get rekt once they realize the scope of what is happening to them.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

While it was a bit odd that none of them mention the corpses at the end, Ignis is excused because he's blind, Noctis has grown at that point and is way past done with Ardyn's games. Prompto or Gladio maybe could have said something more (other than just mentioning his spite/grudge) but there was really no need to be shocked at that point. They know about Ardyn's fuckery and how he enjoyed messing with them, they know he can do illusion stuff because of the train bit. They probably just assumed "oh, pretty well preserved 10+ year old corpses? Including two of people I've never met? Probably not real."

It was good to have them not as a "remember these guys? Aren't you maaaaad?" but as a doubling down on Ardyn and how he just wants to mess with them, he wants to torture them. Even at the end he's pulling these stupid, spiteful tricks to get a rise out of Noctis. He doesn't want to be cool or show off his evil badge or wave his big snake beating dick around. He wants desperately to get under Noctis skin.

whoa whoa

Stop there. Did you played the game?

 

[Pygrus]

And others does think that he didn't.

Yes, I played the game. Wanna bet?

You seem to be in that minority though.

Assuming how someone should react to magic fuckery.

Did you play the game?

 

[HeelPower]

Fine,I'll stop arguing about Ardyn.

I never really hated him anyway,merely hated the dangling corpses scene.

Its jarring and tonally inconsistent with imagery.& style of rest of the game.

That's that.

 

[Mailbox]

But Ardyn constantly tries to get under Noctis sking all the time, why he dosn't need to comment, precisely when he pulls his more cruel momment?

He constantly mocks Noctis for 3 hours on chapter 13 over a stupid kidnapping that ends on nothing.

Because the illusion tells all. It says "I've fucked over everyone you have loved, all those that sacrificed themselves to help you, and I have destroyed the world and its leaders. I will kill you too, and it will be my greatest satisfaction".

All that is said through a simple yet effective piece of imagery. "Show don't tell" and all that.

Fine,I'll stop arguing about Ardyn.

I never really hated him anyway,merely hated the dangling corpses scene.

Its jarring and tonally inconsistent with imagery.& style of rest of the game.

That's that.

Except that its not inconstant with anything in chapters 13 and 14.the destruction of Nifilhim, Ravus' corruption, the world of ruin being run by monsters and humanity on its last legs, seeing the ruins of insomnia with your own eyes, and the final fight with Ifrit. It all gets harsher and darker until that scene bookends all the parts you just experienced.

I like the scene because, while its fucked up and shocking, it is perfectly in tone with the ending chapter of the game.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

You seem to be in that minority though.

Assuming how someone should react to magic fuckery.

Did you play the game?

Assuming how all characters are portrayed in the game, yes. And there's another hater in this very page that seems that didn't played the game. Go after him champ!

Because the illusion tells all. It says "I've fucked over everyone you have loved, all those that sacrificed themselves to help you, and I have destroyed the world and its leaders. I will kill you too, and it will be my greatest satisfaction".

All that is said through a simple yet effective piece of imagery. "Show don't tell" and all that.

For the whole game, Ardyn dosn't do the "show don't tell" stuff, is very contradictory considering how he behaves during the whole game. I repeat, he constantly is contradicts that for 3 hours in chapter 13.

 

[Clear]

lol

I don't mean shock as scary, but shock as a brutal imagery. And fails because, Noctis should be enraged, and he isn't, I didn't saw anything in their faces that their usual rivalry. Ardyn never stops mocking Noctis when he has the ocasion, after doing something aggravating to him, and he dosn't, is like in the actual dialogue those corpses never were there, and they were added after, or maybe the contrary.

It feels random, and while the scene has potential, the writers dosn't do anything worthwhile with it.



Who? Ardyn after 2000 years of grudge matures?

What a bunch of bullshit. Ardyn is immortal, unkillable by human hand. Which is why he can afford to be personable and in some cases helpful to Noctis because he offers absolutely no threat to him. Ultimately he's just a tool by which he can enact his vengeance.

As he needs Noctis alive and fully empowered in order to achieve that goal, he toys with him psychologically for his own amusement and in order to give himself an advantage in the final showdown.

That Noctis holds it together in the face of this final provocation just shows his personal growth and acceptance of the harsh duties of Kingship. After Ignis is blinded Gladio goes extra hard on him not because he's bothered by his comrade's injury or the death of the Oracle, its because he sees his King faltering. His whole point is that to be King Noctis must face his destiny with strength and stoicism no matter the loss.

Which ultimately is what he needs to do in order to win.

 

[Pygrus]

whoa whoa

Stop there. Did you played the game?

Thanks for quoting a post that refutes your point.

 

[kiaaa]

Fine,I'll stop arguing about Ardyn.

I never really hated him anyway,merely hated the dangling corpses scene.

Its jarring and tonally inconsistent with imagery.& style of rest of the game.

That's that.

It's only jarring and tonally inconsistent if you ignored literally every part of the game where Ardyn shows up.