Why? I thought it was nice.
There was a story. I appreciate the snark though.
Final Fantasy XV SPOILER THREAD
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Why? I thought it was nice.
There was a story. I appreciate the snark though.
brandonh83
Banned
Me too hence the crying lol fuck I'm done
The logo change was amazing. I was truly not expecting it. I was already trying to hold off the tears during the ending, and then the logo changes... And Noctis' theme plays in the background.
T_T
Oh, I thought you were expressing disgust with it. lol, carry on.
Mister Megative
Banned
*shrug* Just my opinion.
XIII's story was a convoluted word salad with a villain who's motivation made absolutely no sense.
XII's story was drenched in politics, boring, and had a protagonist who had absolutely nothing to do with any bit of it.
VIII was about an angsty, mopey teen who grew up in an orphanage into the most unlikeable protagonist ever to grace a game.
I'll take XV.
I don't agree with that. Those games all have story problems, for sure but I think XV commits the greater sin, in that the backbone of the story is amazing and it could have been one of FF's best but they completely botch it.
TissueBox
Member
I would say the greatest indication of a bad story is easier to spot than the greatest indication of a good story. In FFXV's regard, the condensed, imbalanced, and lightweight execution of their narrative is an obvious sign of shortcoming in the face of potential.
brandonh83
Banned
I agree with all except for VIII.
All the rest are pretty boring, yeah.
Yeah, saw some people disliking the change. I thought it was extremely charming, though. This game has some of the highest moments in the FF franchise for me.
encephalon
Member
No, there really isn't. For the vast majority of gameplay time fucking nothing happens. Then the story suddenly pops up in ch 9 and it's like "I'm here, I'm ready to deliver something!" to which my response was "who the fuck are you?"
McMoneyman
Member
For some reason Squall's reasons for being like that, I always thought was quite sad.
I feel FF15 didn't have moments like that.
brandonh83
Banned
That logo change just destroyed me. What a powerful thing.
Oh Square... I was really liking Ardyn. He was almost there with Sephiroth, Kuja, Kefka and the rest of Charismatic Villains that have been absent for more than 10 years.
And then you gave him a piss easy final boss with zero difficulty.
At first I was like "Neat, this is going to be one of those mirror fights that test all your skills learned throughout the game". But no, I can't see any realistic scenario in which you can lose that battle.
And like that, Ardyn goes puff.
And then you gave him a piss easy final boss with zero difficulty.
At first I was like "Neat, this is going to be one of those mirror fights that test all your skills learned throughout the game". But no, I can't see any realistic scenario in which you can lose that battle.
And like that, Ardyn goes puff.
Dude.
VIII has this scene.
VIII is one of my favorites.
But yeah, XV is infinitely more interesting than V, XII and XIII.
I don't understand this.
Sephiroth and Kefka are two of the easiest bosses in the entire franchise and I'd argue also in the entire RPG genre. Kefka, especially. When it comes to "piss easy" final battles, both Lord Seph and the insane jester are certainly kings.
Cool, glad we agree that there was a story.
I guess I can just look past that. The game told me they had a fairy tale relationship, so I just took that and moved on. There's no question that more could have/should have been done with it though.
Jangowuzhere
Banned
Leagues better, and it's still completely abysmal.
brandonh83
Banned
Thought they did.
SlasherJPC
Banned
8 is a favorite of mine simply for how much happens in that game and some super memorable scenes. Thougj honestly 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, and 12 and 15 all had a blast with and their stories. 1,2,3, and 5 I played but never felt like they were anything special. 13 is the only one I've yet to finish and I'm waiting till I do to play more then a few hours in 13-2 and LR.
As for the end title change.... fuck... I love how it's changed and now instead of night it's daylight in the background. Those feels are strong.
encephalon
Member
"There being story" doesn't imply that there is no story content whatsoever in the game. But what I value in a story is that there is actually a story being told, FFXV fails in that regard in comparison with nearly every final fantasy. Even FFII has a better story progression.
Sephiroth could wreck you if Supernova hit with some infortunate stats. Of course, it wasn't hard but at least it kept you in check.
Kuja wasn't too bad with Flare Star shooting twice sometimes (And Necron could wreck you with status ailments)
Ardyn? You would need to have 0 healing items and leave the controller in the ground for a minute.
brandonh83
Banned
Fuck. Yes. You get it.
ULTROS!
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V's story is weak to be honest. Especially when you compare it to IV and VI. It's very akin to FFI-III.
I do like a lot of things from VIII, ranging from story to music to set pieces, it's just that the game was brought down by the gameplay, which was butt.
XII's story was ho-hum, like it took itself way too seriously and reminded me of Star Wars too much.
XIII's story... Well I'm pretty sure you know where I stand.
The recent FFs have the logo in the final scene AFAIK. Once we see FFXVI's logo, we know what will happen in the end.
I do like a lot of things from VIII, ranging from story to music to set pieces, it's just that the game was brought down by the gameplay, which was butt.
XII's story was ho-hum, like it took itself way too seriously and reminded me of Star Wars too much.
XIII's story... Well I'm pretty sure you know where I stand.
The recent FFs have the logo in the final scene AFAIK. Once we see FFXVI's logo, we know what will happen in the end.
Vincent Alexander
Member
I agree in a way. I think if a story is being told well, it is easier to be hidden from our view. It can subtle and interwoven, and we don't necessarily realize the great pieces that were put right in front of our face until the first payoff of said pieces. At that moment we go "ahhh" and it clicks. But something poorly done sticks out like a sore thumb immediately---we don't need to wait. For instance, in Final Fantasy XV when we have an important plot piece revealed in a loading screen for the first time, you immediately go "oh boy" and know what you're surely in store for.
XV doesn't have enough of a story to be fairly compared to any XII or earlier titles. It cant't help but fall short. You could fairly say it has ambition and ideas, but that doesn't mean much if there's barely any execution. It's funny seeing people so scared of spoilers for the first half of the game because there's basically no story in the first eight chapters.
And yeah don't want to sound like a broken record, but the final scene and logo change had no place in the game. Luna and Noctis didn't have a relationship. I don't know how people are getting emotionally affected. There's literally nothing in the game to warrant the final shot being the two together and the logo change.
Triple Triad is the best battle system in the series
And yeah don't want to sound like a broken record, but the final scene and logo change had no place in the game. Luna and Noctis didn't have a relationship. I don't know how people are getting emotionally affected. There's literally nothing in the game to warrant the final shot being the two together and the logo change.
Triple Triad is the best battle system in the series
Is this insanity ?
XII's is absolutely masterful and nailed the atmosphere in every single location.
I mean just witness this incredible usage of Clarinet in The Skycity Of Bhujerba
Or the umistakble liveliness of Rabanstre
Or he unraveling mystery in Giruvegan
This is legenedary stuff.Greatly enhances the gameplay.Meanwhile we get an mp3 player and dead silence in FFXV.
Can't wait for the remastered soundtrack.
Okay, at this point I'm confused if you mean "is there a plot" or "is there a story"
Either way you are wrong, they both exist.
In fact, the plot is quite robust and is very reminiscent of a biblical or Greek tragedy tale.
as for the story, I'd agree that the narrative holds a lot of the plot hostage and leave too much off screen and in weird places, but a story undeniably exists here.
But whatever..
Considering that 12's soundtrack lacks considerable range and focuses too much on flutes and soft sounds, it feels extremely boring to trek through. Not having any sort of dedicated battle themes when exploring also made combat dull as hell.
And I'd like to note that music actually kicks in faster than you might think. Stuff like wonderlust, exploration in leide, etc work much better at mood setting.
FF12's soundtrack is orchestrated and thats nice, but my god did it make me wanna sleep.
brandonh83
Banned
I guess it may have had a place for those of us responding very emotionally to it but to each his own.
The Emperor
Member
LOL VIII runs circles around XV's 'story' and keeps running.
Sephiroth COULD keep you on your toes with Super Nova, but he wasn't hard at all. Kefka is even easier. Not even once have I died against him, not even the first time I played it. I pretty much obliterate him without any effort whatsoever.
Ultimecia can be a bitch, for example (Unless you abuse Renzokuken). But Ardyn is far from the easiest final boss in the series.
brandonh83
Banned
It's good yeah.
Lights and Waves
Member
Sorry, XII's soundtrack is completely forgotten.
That's exactly what I mean. They COULD, maybe because of luck, be a problem. That possibility doesn't exist with Ardyn.
The Emperor
Member
I love the logo change, in fact I want this to be a staple going forward!
Speak for yourself. I think it's one of the best in the series.
The Emperor
Member
Honestly XV's biggest sin apart from the storytelling was the dead silence for me
Pissed me off to no end!
I said Sephiroth COULD. Kefka on the other hand...
But being easy final bosses don't detract from their amazing villanous ways. Not even a little. It didn't affect Sephiroth and Kefka. I think it doesn't affect Ardyn either.
The Emperor
Member
No for me it didnt
It would bloody kick in whenever I was 10 seconds away from a settlement or a battle so then it would stop anyway
Shouta
Member
I'd put XV's tory over XII, only barely, and XIII. XIII is a just a sloppy mess on all fronts. XII manages to just leave all of the stuff that's interesting from the start of the game at the wayside and has your party doing whatever only to kind of wrap it up(?) in the end. XV at least manages to involve its protagonists and has a story with them even if there's a ton missing from it.
I just started reading 1Q84 by Haruki Murakami and there's an interesting parallel here. A young girl sends in her story for the new writer's contest and the editor is incredibly moved by the piece. The only problem is that her writing is barely passable. Somehow the story bleeds through the poor narrative strongly enough that the editor wants to have the story rewritten by someone else and re-entered into the contest.
Now I haven't finished the book so I'm not clear on the girl's story, but I do feel something similar here. I'm not going to pretend that XV has the greatest story I've ever seen, but it does seem to speak to people despite the narrative and the way it's told.
It is wasted potential in a lot of ways, but I think saying that XV has a bad/non-existent story is dishonest.
I believe the count resets every time you look at the map or menus. It's not great. I'm not sure if opening the map with R3 affects it, though.
Now I haven't finished the book so I'm not clear on the girl's story, but I do feel something similar here. I'm not going to pretend that XV has the greatest story I've ever seen, but it does seem to speak to people despite the narrative and the way it's told.
It is wasted potential in a lot of ways, but I think saying that XV has a bad/non-existent story is dishonest.
I believe the count resets every time you look at the map or menus. It's not great. I'm not sure if opening the map with R3 affects it, though.
Lunafreya Nox Fleuret
Member
I'm gonna replay XV when all the story promises of cutscenes are done and see how it holds up. It is a bad thing for me that SE is fixing it cause I'm angry at the release product but I'm also happy cause the game could use some more time. I know it won't be a fundamentally different product and we won't get the fully cut second half, but if they can make sense of things and I feel the emphasis on characters like Luna and Aranea/Iris, it could have the potential to be one of my favourite ff games.
The Emperor
Member
No matter how bad XV's storytelling was it still wasn't as boring as XII's. Still dont get the unecessary star wars comparison XII gets too.
Even the prequels had more exciting stories than FFXII *runs*
Even the prequels had more exciting stories than FFXII *runs*
XV straight up feels like Star Wars at times. One of the ships even look like a star destroyer
I don't expect anyone to agree on anything Final Fantasy, especially the story, so no use really arguing about it. What I am glad to see, is that even though not everyone agrees this is the worst Final Fantasy story, the majority are putting it in the bottom half of the series, and I don't think anyone is saying it's the best?
The Emperor
Member
Very hard to beat VI and VII's wholesome stories tbh.
I really liked the way XII was localized, though. That makes up for a lot of its story problems. At least until it mostly disappears in the second half.
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Bottom half? I see majority are putting on the top half. A lot of my non-GAF friends are putting in their top-half.
XIII is the FF that I see majority putting it in the bottom half.
My main issue with XII and XIII is that the characters are not really likable.
The "serious" characters are just too stoic.
The "goofy" characters are just too unlikable.
Yes, I know WHY Vanille acts the way she acts. I understand why she does it. But that is not enough for me to care for her or like her as a character.
XV is the first time since X where I truly had a blast traveling with the main characters. I actually smiled every time Ignis claimed to have found a new recipee, strangely enough...
More than a deep or well-told storyline, for me it's all about the characters. Is the story is super cool, super detailed and everything, but the characters are boring to follow around, or just plain unlikable, then I'll probably won't connect with the plot at all.
I can forgive a poorly-told plot (XV) if the characters keep me going. If I'm excited to see what they say or do next, if I want to see them succeed, etc.
At the end of XII, when Balthier and Fran are going to "sacrifice" themselves, I felt nothing. Really, I didn't feel bad for him. He was always so on top of things, so always in control, that I had no reason to feel pity or pain for him. Characters that are always cool, super confident and always on top of everything tend to bore me.
What...?
The "serious" characters are just too stoic.
The "goofy" characters are just too unlikable.
Yes, I know WHY Vanille acts the way she acts. I understand why she does it. But that is not enough for me to care for her or like her as a character.
XV is the first time since X where I truly had a blast traveling with the main characters. I actually smiled every time Ignis claimed to have found a new recipee, strangely enough...
More than a deep or well-told storyline, for me it's all about the characters. Is the story is super cool, super detailed and everything, but the characters are boring to follow around, or just plain unlikable, then I'll probably won't connect with the plot at all.
I can forgive a poorly-told plot (XV) if the characters keep me going. If I'm excited to see what they say or do next, if I want to see them succeed, etc.
At the end of XII, when Balthier and Fran are going to "sacrifice" themselves, I felt nothing. Really, I didn't feel bad for him. He was always so on top of things, so always in control, that I had no reason to feel pity or pain for him. Characters that are always cool, super confident and always on top of everything tend to bore me.
What...?