You know, is pretty crazy that even with the complete abandonment of the Versus concepts they managed to come up with stuff that even people who hate the game can see that it had the potential to be one of the greats. It's really intresting, I wonder who was in charge of direct rejggin everything story and concept wise, it wasn't just Tabata was it? Cause whoever did deserves credit for good ideas if nothing else.
Final Fantasy XV SPOILER THREAD
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AkirraKrylon
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Just thinking about the ending and the imagery and stuff....
The mission name "Cure for Insomnia" and all the symbolism revolving around sleeping in this game got me thinking.
The cure for insomnia, both the literal and figurative meaning, is Noctis entering the eternal sleep (with Luna) and that is what the logo represents. Thought that was pretty cool.
Probably pretty obvious but...yea.
The mission name "Cure for Insomnia" and all the symbolism revolving around sleeping in this game got me thinking.
The cure for insomnia, both the literal and figurative meaning, is Noctis entering the eternal sleep (with Luna) and that is what the logo represents. Thought that was pretty cool.
Probably pretty obvious but...yea.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
lmao
"I am the muffin man, Noctis"
That ends with her dying before the story begins amirite
Lunafreya Nox Fleuret
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Yes. Luna allegedly makes a last stop at Tenebrae before heading to Altissia and that's where she encounters Ravus (which was not acting under the Empire's command). In Altissia, Ravus is seen crying at Yureil Plaza (the characters especulate it's because Luna's getting married to Noctis and Ravus hates him), then Ardyn meets him and tells him of what's going to happen to Luna (so that Ravus finally has a motive to desert and help Noctis. Ardyn later uses Ravus as a way to keep the Emperor entertained meanwhile Noctis gets through Terraverde). Then there's that scene with the two brothers, and Ravus finally comes into terms.
WordsintheWater
Member
Did I miss some of these scenes in my playthrough or something? I don't remember much of this. So that first scene in the video I posted is her and Ravus in Altissia, and the second scene is Tenebrae?
They needed to do a better job of telling his story, dude is more interesting then I first realized, but his potential is never shown because of how badly his story is told.
In an ideal world, we would have gotten Episode Ravus, Episode Adult Iris and Episode Regis+Weskham+Cid. And then the bros as playable characters in the multiplayer expansion, instead of inserting narrative cuts in the story.
But this fantasy was based on feedback
But this fantasy was based on feedback
which was based on expectations based on CG trailers and 2011 gameplay
Just give it to Luna or Aranae, yeah it won't fix it, yeah it's a band aid, but who cares at this point? The whole game is stitched together anyway, if giving a dlc to her actually lets her do shit on screen, she deserves that at least.People asked for Young Regis/Cid/Cor DLC, I don't see why we can't have Stella. They gotta have the assets somewhere.
What do you see in it that had potential ?
I think that the problems with this game's narrative stem from a lack of a strong vision and deep lying problems at the core of narrative direction.
One immediate problem is the handling of female characters.Would it really have been any better had they been given more years to develop ? Questionable creative decisions were made at the very core.
Like Jim Sterling said,its more a matter of creative difference. If someone doesn't like the direction the story had,I am doubtful more cutscenes would change that.
Basically we need better directors & writers at the helm of FF
Speaking with the gods drains Luna's life.
Mister Megative
Banned
I've seen some great positive reception of XV, and some really easy to follow, salient criticism, both of which I understand and agree on. Every game has highs and lows.
Having said, much of what I've seen here seems to be a determination to dislike the game ever since Nomura left the project/Stella was cut/game was rebranded.
Just my opinion.
Having said, much of what I've seen here seems to be a determination to dislike the game ever since Nomura left the project/Stella was cut/game was rebranded.
Just my opinion.
I didn't really follow the details of what was cut so I dunno of the importance. But any DLC for anyone outside of the bros owuld be pretty nice for fans. Maybe season 2 pass.
Ah, that's an easy observation. Just take a look at that "leaks" thread. Everyone was going nuts for their goddess Ghost Stella.
The scene in which Ravus tells Luna to stop puting her life at risk happens in Tenebrae (and it has to happen after Chapter 5 (Ravus already has magitek arm and Luna has already waken up Titan and Ramuh) and before Chapter 9, both Ravus and Luna are already in Altissia).
You learn that Ravus has been seen crying at Yureil Plaza by optional dialogue. You actually get to see the follow-up scene in which Ardyn approaches him (I'm not sure it's missable, but here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6TPpjDeSO0)
Then, after learning about Luna's impending fate, Ravus meets Luna before the Covenant begins. And through chapter 10 to 12, you keep learning about the Empire blaming the Altissia incident on Ravus and sentencing him to death.
It doesn't help that this game's story sounds so much better when you write it than when you actually play it.
TissueBox
Member
Jealous much
Speaking of people trying to protect Luna, where the fuck was Gentiana when Luna was getting shanked by Ardyn?? For someone with the ability to be wherever she wants to be, lady sure wasn't very helpful when the Oracle's life was in danger. -_-
Also, was Gentiana always Shiva? I found that confusing. Shiva was killed and reborn as a "messenger of the Gods," then reborn again as Shiva, or Shiva faked her death and was in hiding as Gentiana? lol
Also, was Gentiana always Shiva? I found that confusing. Shiva was killed and reborn as a "messenger of the Gods," then reborn again as Shiva, or Shiva faked her death and was in hiding as Gentiana? lol
DarkLordMalik
Member
Wow, I have a hard time remembering that scene. How was it 'optional'? What were the conditions to trigger it?
I think it's one of the random pieces of dialogue you get when you approach random NPCs in Altissia. I don't quite recall when it happens, though, but it's not a cutscene. Funny how most of the dialogue you overhear when two NPCs are talking is like "wow I had a really awesome hamburger last night", "yeah man, I love hamburgers" and then you get those rare cases of random plot development which might be very well missable if they don't happen to trigger for you.
Gai Murakumo
Member
Wow I barely remember that scene. Also I wish is was more clear to the player, but it is kind of implied that Ravus took the blame for the failure at Altissa later on.
Gentiana was always Shiva. She didn't get killed, the Empire just thought they did.
Gentiana's responsibility as Shiva was mostly with Noctis, not Luna. The gods communicate with the Oracle, but they don't really have to protect her (See Leviathan).
Ok....my thoughts on how character creation DLC could work out since its been rumored by IGN and nearly everywhere
if they do this correctly..........DDAAAMMMNNNNN
There were 10 years during the time skip, we knew that the hunters were basically holding the daemons back from completely annihilating everyone. You saw how many weapons there were at hammerhead and just how much crap there was in general. Maybe certain towns will become hubs......like monster hunter. You take on hunts or quests at each outpost as you begin in year 1....there's little talks on the radios you listen to the events going on over the whole time Noctis is gone.
We get to see the world slowly get ripped apart by the darkness and the daemons.
Dave most likely becomes the leader of the hunters at this point due to his dialogue during those stupid dog tag missions.
Weapons are upgraded via parts from mob drops....just like MH
We get to see the dark torn world in its fullest and the events that happen between those 10 years.
Gladio, Prompto and Ignis all have their solo DLC during that period as well, and its a telling of their maturity and ability to become more self efficient.
They could honestly do so fucking much during that time skip for multiplayer content.
Even show what happens to the hunters, Cid, Cindey and the world after the main game.
God I really want to see what happened to the world after the main game.
if they do this correctly..........DDAAAMMMNNNNN
There were 10 years during the time skip, we knew that the hunters were basically holding the daemons back from completely annihilating everyone. You saw how many weapons there were at hammerhead and just how much crap there was in general. Maybe certain towns will become hubs......like monster hunter. You take on hunts or quests at each outpost as you begin in year 1....there's little talks on the radios you listen to the events going on over the whole time Noctis is gone.
We get to see the world slowly get ripped apart by the darkness and the daemons.
Dave most likely becomes the leader of the hunters at this point due to his dialogue during those stupid dog tag missions.
Weapons are upgraded via parts from mob drops....just like MH
We get to see the dark torn world in its fullest and the events that happen between those 10 years.
Gladio, Prompto and Ignis all have their solo DLC during that period as well, and its a telling of their maturity and ability to become more self efficient.
They could honestly do so fucking much during that time skip for multiplayer content.
Even show what happens to the hunters, Cid, Cindey and the world after the main game.
God I really want to see what happened to the world after the main game.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Hamburgers > Ravus
DarkLordMalik
Member
Everything sounds cool in 'concept'
For all we know, the execution can be shit for it. Kingdom Hearts sounded cool in concept but the actual story in the series is total shit.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Watched the Type-0 ending on youtube for the first time and holy shit wtf? Scorched earth on that cast. Do Tabata games usually end with character deaths or??
WordsintheWater
Member
This right here. You writing this out is making me appreciate the story so much more. I remember the scene you linked, but never found the Ravus crying optional dialogue. This all lends to the overall story not having a problem, but really the execution of it.
There was an interview with the developers of the Order 1886 where the director said something to the effect that they didn't do a good job of explaining characters because they knew the characters so well, they didn't put their feet in the shoes of players who were experiencing these characters for the first time. I think the developers of FFXV ran into this same issue.
The Emperor
Member
Nah. XV had it all inside it. Just needed it better told.
DarkLordMalik
Member
10 years of conceptualizing the story will do that to you
I guess I had it stuck in my head for too long that Gentiana was a sort of guardian/attendant for Luna.
I suppose Gentiana knew Luna was fated to die one way or another, so she just shrugged and said peace out when shit got real. The XV gods are mean.
I guess I had it stuck in my head for too long that Gentiana was a sort of guardian/attendant for Luna.
I suppose Gentiana knew Luna was fated to die one way or another, so she just shrugged and said peace out when shit got real. The XV gods are mean.
She is her attendant, but as a goddess she doesn't seem to carry much responsibility on protecting her. That's why Gentiana tends to side more with Noctis, as he is the True King.
And yes, the gods in XV are massive assholes. That's actually one of the things I liked the most about the game. They are not 100% benevolent entities.
DarkLordMalik
Member
They sure are... and the best part is that they don't hide it.I guess I had it stuck in my head for too long that Gentiana was a sort of guardian/attendant for Luna.
I suppose Gentiana knew Luna was fated to die one way or another, so she just shrugged and said peace out when shit got real. The XV gods are mean.
They fucked over Ardyn and would have likely don't the same to anyone else
just read this
I even kept asking myself....where the fuck was some of this explained in cut scenes cause I don't remember it.
http://www.oneangrygamer.net/2016/11/final-fantasy-xv-ending-explained/17808/
When you read it.....it sounds fucking awesome....but it did not play out even close to as good as what you read. Great story, terrible execution
They sure are... and the best part is that they don't hide it.
They fucked over Ardyn and would have likely don't the same to anyone else
I loved Leviathan's attitude in this game. She took no shit from anyone. Until Noctis kicked her ass with the help of Luna.
butman
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Gai Murakumo
Member
The God's give zero fucks about what goes on in the realms of men. Just look at the dialogue between Luna and Leviathan, it becomes clear that Leviathan and most of the other God's really do not like humanity.I guess I had it stuck in my head for too long that Gentiana was a sort of guardian/attendant for Luna.
I suppose Gentiana knew Luna was fated to die one way or another, so she just shrugged and said peace out when shit got real. The XV gods are mean.
DarkLordMalik
Member
Titan was also a smug bastard who took no time to punch and smash Noctis.
Mister Megative
Banned
This. XV didn't have the strongest story in gaming by a long shot, but I enjoyed it. The same people lauding KH but shitting on XV because of a poor story makes me laugh.
only Shiva has a tender spot for humanity,
all other gods give absolutely no fucks.
Ramuh wasn't too much of a dick....but titan and leviathon are complete assholes who just don't care.
ShadowSoldier89
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90% of japanese stories
Yeah, Gentiana was a bitch in the game with no real reason. Missing when shit goes down on Insomnia, leaving Luna to her fate. Then she appears to Noctis with random ass cryptic messages that the game goes out of the way to explain to you ("yeah, what Gentiana means is that you should wake up Ramuh, get to it" lol). Goes missing for the whole Altissia incident and when you encounter her she's like "take Varja and by the way I already knew what was going to happen to Luna, bye. P.S.: i'm shiva").
It's implied that Shiva was the first god Luna made a pact with and that the Glacean was the one with fondest feelings towards humanity, but her nonsense equaled Crisis Core's Genesis. She's just cryptic, mysterious and edgy for the drama of it all.
It's implied that Shiva was the first god Luna made a pact with and that the Glacean was the one with fondest feelings towards humanity, but her nonsense equaled Crisis Core's Genesis. She's just cryptic, mysterious and edgy for the drama of it all.
Honestly I was kinda on the fence about hating Ardyn as an antagonist, just because I agreed with him that the gods and my ancestors were complete dickheads in screwing him over like that when he was just trying to save people.
I can totally agree with his revenge, even if I don't like his actions. Felt wrong helping the gods complete their final "fucking over" of him.
I can totally agree with his revenge, even if I don't like his actions. Felt wrong helping the gods complete their final "fucking over" of him.
Well, that's gods for you... Gentiana/Shiva might have counceled and supported Luna as well as Noctis so they could fulfill their respective roles but beyond that they don't have much empathy or feelings for humans and don't necessarily come to aid them when they are in need. Even though Gentiana/Shiva seems to care more for humans than any other god and Ardyn even mocks her for that at one point.
I don't think you can that easily kill a god.
They live on in another form. Ardyn was unkillable even though he wasn't a god. Noctis also pretty much completely wrecked Leviathan. Still she is there as a summon for him.Rad Shadow
Banned
Again with all this Noctis is the true king craziness.
So he's just there to be a sacrifice?
Just seems lazy.
So he's just there to be a sacrifice?
Just seems lazy.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
ok, on other complaints with the game. I cant believe this is the first time I've seen this come up
http://kotaku.com/okay-final-fantasy-xv-your-jump-button-is-a-problem-1790005645
this shit drove me nuts
http://kotaku.com/okay-final-fantasy-xv-your-jump-button-is-a-problem-1790005645
this shit drove me nuts
you'd be edgy too if you got killed and turned into pixie-sized vs your old self
