The Artisan
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okay, perfect. so how exaggerated is the VA vs IPS difference? am i really going to care?
Sony X800D well - reviewed, 4k+HDR TV with low input lag
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Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Can't say. I haven't seen a VA panel personally. I haven't had any complaints about the IPS however, and I had a plasma before this.
Akibastman
Member
Okay, I bought it, it's here in my room.
I'll happily take any settings and apps recommandations !
What's the best way to cast video files from a PC to the TV ?
I'll happily take any settings and apps recommandations !
What's the best way to cast video files from a PC to the TV ?
Has anyone experienced flickering with the PRO? I have a Sony X930D 4K HDR TV hooked up with the PRO and the screen would blink once in a while when I am playing a game (HDR and non HDR). All settings are set to Automatic on the PRO.
My PC and PRO are connect to the TV (hdmi2 and hdmi3), TV as an extended screen for the PC. I think it causes the flickering problem that I've mentioned above. And when I play a HDR game on the PRO the color looks really washed out in HDR. The TV should detect HDR and switch to HDR Video mode from Game mode automatically, but it doesn't.. It just stays in Game mode.
Anyone?
My PC and PRO are connect to the TV (hdmi2 and hdmi3), TV as an extended screen for the PC. I think it causes the flickering problem that I've mentioned above. And when I play a HDR game on the PRO the color looks really washed out in HDR. The TV should detect HDR and switch to HDR Video mode from Game mode automatically, but it doesn't.. It just stays in Game mode.
Anyone?
Jorav
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Picked up the 43inch model yesterday. Anyone share some settings for Xbone running HDR? Have FH3 and Gears4.
Also is there an easier way to play videos off a hardrive? Coming from a LG, the external popped up in my input list and was simply folder navigation. For the Sony it seems i have to open the videos via the Video App? Not a fan as it doesn't show folder view, nor are the files in order.
Also is there an easier way to play videos off a hardrive? Coming from a LG, the external popped up in my input list and was simply folder navigation. For the Sony it seems i have to open the videos via the Video App? Not a fan as it doesn't show folder view, nor are the files in order.
If you click the Discover button on the remote, you can get a quick view of an external drive. I've only used a USB stick with a couple files, so I'm not sure how cluttered it could get.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Try a different hdmi cable.
Mikey Jr.
Member
So I'm on the verge of getting this tv.
I'm just conflicted. There was another tv on here loved by gaf. The Samsung ks8000 I think?
How is that tv compared to this one?
My main issue is input latency on the PS4 PRO. I don't play fighting games or driving games, but I also don't want to feel like I'm playing Killzone 2 all the time. I'm purely getting this tv for the PS4 pro and games.
I'm just conflicted. There was another tv on here loved by gaf. The Samsung ks8000 I think?
How is that tv compared to this one?
My main issue is input latency on the PS4 PRO. I don't play fighting games or driving games, but I also don't want to feel like I'm playing Killzone 2 all the time. I'm purely getting this tv for the PS4 pro and games.
From what I understand, the KS8000 is more expensive, but has a brighter HDR picture. I went with the 55 inch X800 at like 600€ less than the KS8000 and I'm perfectly fine, but some other folks said that after seeing the KS8000 HDR they regretted their X800 purchase.
I have... Not a cable issue.
mullet2000
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Both are good tvs. This Sony one covers the 40-49 inch range and the samsungs cover 50+. That Samsung is the better TV overall and one of the best 4k tvs on the market, and has better HDR than this Sony set, but it carries a higher price tag as well. Still a great value though.
Input lag won't be an issue on either set. It's very low on both.
I have the 43" Sony because I can't do much larger at my place and in Canada the Samsung is over twice the price, and I'm quite happy with the Sony. It mostly depends on what size you're looking for.
Mikey Jr.
Member
Hmm, alright. So I better not look at the ks8000 one then. I'll just close my eyes if i ever see one.
Yeah, I'm in Canada too. The ks8000 price seems insane. The x800 seems reasonable.
Im looking at the 43 inch. I have a small room, so like you, I can't really go much higher.
Im just really excited to play ps4 games in 4k and hdr.
mullet2000
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Yeah if you're looking for that size range this is basically your best bet based on the research I did before buying mine!
I don't know about now, but two weeks ago it was pretty sold out on most of the Canadian sites. So you may have to do a bit of searching around.
lowhighkang_LHK
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So I think there may be a bug with how this TV does HDR content under "game" picture mode. It's not a big deal, it seems under game mode you have to manually adjust the brightness (backlight) setting going in and out of HDR content. Whereas on other picture modes it does it automatically. BTW this happened to me, I'm not sure if this is an actual issue or not.
So here's the story:
Under game mode, my brightness (which is the backlight setting) is at 25, the midpoint. I've been playing FFXV with HDR enabled.
Yesterday, I decided to see how the TV's lag was under a custom/standard picture pre-set. brightness (backlight) was set to 25. But this time around, when I started FFXV (with HDR enabled) the TV automatically bumped up backlight/brightness to max. And the HDR was glorious. And then, when I exited FFXV, the TV automatically went back to my original settings. (brigthness at 25)
This automation doesn't seem to happen under game mode. I also think the Samsung KS8000 has this issue as well, where the auto adjustment of settings for HDR enabled content doesn't happen under game mode.
I think that's why some people are noticing that certain games with HDR on, look washed out and subdued. Because the TV is supposed to be maxing out brightness (backlight) automatically on HDR enabled content. BTW* My contrast is set at 90, every place I checked as contrast at least 85 or higher. I don't think this value changes, but you should have your contrast on at least 80 or higher regardless.
So, yeah. Try it out. Put your TV on standard picture mode, or movie, or custom, or whatever. Take a note of your picture settings, and then boot up a game with HDR enabled. You'll notice the brightness (backlight) go to max.
So it seems, the moral of this story is that this TV wants it's brightness/backlight to be maxed in order to do HDR proper. And it wasn't doing that on game mode. You have to do it MANUALLY on game mode. Turn up brightness to max with HDR content, and then manually change it back to a lower, suitable setting with non-HDR content.
BTW, HDR is fucking glorious. If this is me for the firs time seeing it properly in FFXV, holy shit.
So here's the story:
Under game mode, my brightness (which is the backlight setting) is at 25, the midpoint. I've been playing FFXV with HDR enabled.
Yesterday, I decided to see how the TV's lag was under a custom/standard picture pre-set. brightness (backlight) was set to 25. But this time around, when I started FFXV (with HDR enabled) the TV automatically bumped up backlight/brightness to max. And the HDR was glorious. And then, when I exited FFXV, the TV automatically went back to my original settings. (brigthness at 25)
This automation doesn't seem to happen under game mode. I also think the Samsung KS8000 has this issue as well, where the auto adjustment of settings for HDR enabled content doesn't happen under game mode.
I think that's why some people are noticing that certain games with HDR on, look washed out and subdued. Because the TV is supposed to be maxing out brightness (backlight) automatically on HDR enabled content. BTW* My contrast is set at 90, every place I checked as contrast at least 85 or higher. I don't think this value changes, but you should have your contrast on at least 80 or higher regardless.
So, yeah. Try it out. Put your TV on standard picture mode, or movie, or custom, or whatever. Take a note of your picture settings, and then boot up a game with HDR enabled. You'll notice the brightness (backlight) go to max.
So it seems, the moral of this story is that this TV wants it's brightness/backlight to be maxed in order to do HDR proper. And it wasn't doing that on game mode. You have to do it MANUALLY on game mode. Turn up brightness to max with HDR content, and then manually change it back to a lower, suitable setting with non-HDR content.
BTW, HDR is fucking glorious. If this is me for the firs time seeing it properly in FFXV, holy shit.
All TVs should be putting their brightness setting to max when HDR is enabled. My X800D seems to do so just fine when the picture setting is in Game mode.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
i really want to buy a hdr tv and sony's cheaper 40 inch tvs are the only ones i can afford without getting a divorce.
But there is no way i am paying more than $500 for a 40 inch tv. any good deals going around lately? it seems like the sub 50 inch models never go on sale. and if im spending $700 for 40 inch, might as well pay $1,200 for the 55 inch ks8000.
But there is no way i am paying more than $500 for a 40 inch tv. any good deals going around lately? it seems like the sub 50 inch models never go on sale. and if im spending $700 for 40 inch, might as well pay $1,200 for the 55 inch ks8000.
$650 from Amazon seems like the cheapest price online at the moment. The 49" KS8000 is $1,000. There's really no other HDR sets in the sub-50" category worth considering.
mullet2000
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It automatically maxes out brightness in game mode for me.
I usually have to adjust the contrast manually just to get a good picture, though.
You can set brightness and contrast differently in game mode on this TV, i.e, for SDR you can have it set to 10, and for HDR you can set it to max. It WILL remember your backlight settings. Same with contrast. And yes, you may need to adjust HDR contrast so certain high luminance colors and whites do not get clipped.
Realize that the backlight needs to be set max in order to hit peak brightness as specced by RTINGS, but it also degrades your black luminance (it sucks). So there is a trade off.
lowhighkang_LHK
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Fucking weird dude. For the longest time the brightness value stayed at 25. Only when I reset the picture to something else does it now register.
Maybe now that it 'works', I bet if I go back to game mode it should properly adjust brightness to max automatically, and then automatically scale it back down when non-HDR content is played.
Please Read. Because I'm managing this thread as the OP. I need to confirm this. Your response and participation is greatly appreciated.
Please tell me)
A) What your picture mode is (i.e, sport, game, movie, custom etc.) and what your brightness / contrast setting is before you play a HDR enabled game.
B) Then when you play an HDR enabled game, I want you to then check what your picture settings are and what has changed. Particularly focus on Brightness/Backlight and Contrast.
C) And finally, when you exit out of said HDR enabled game, does your picture settings reset to what they originally were before you played said HDR enabled game.
And then tell me what you get.
Maybe I just had an isolated issue. But for the sake of being thorough I need more data. Thank you!!
lowhighkang_LHK
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As for the wash out look on HDR, is your brightness automatically maxed out for HDR enabled games?
Read the post I made a few post above. See if that applies to you.
Oh... geez. I got this TV along with FFXV and been playing for two weeks now, underwhelmed the whole time by how little difference HDR seemed to make. Read your post, checked the brightness, and yep, brightness was at 10 the whole time. Bumped it up to max and WOW, I immediately see what all the buzz was about. Thanks for the heads up!
mullet2000
Member
A) For regular sdr content I have it at 35 brightness and max contrast, on game mode.
B) When I play an HDR game it maxes out the brightness automatically when it detects the hdr signal. Everything else stays the same. I usually have to dial back the contrast a bit to make the picture look good.
C) When I exit HDR the brightness goes back to 35 automatically. The contrast remains at whatever I changed it to while in hdr and I have to put it back to max manually.
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
Okay. Interesting. It's at odds to what the poster above you experienced. As with my experience. Let's leave this discussion open and see how it works for others.
Either way it's not a big deal, but let's get some more feedback.
EDIT: Until then, I've added this in the OP just in case:
5) When playing HDR enabled content, the TV should automatically increase brightness (which is what it calls it's backlight setting) to MAX. If not, do it manually. Of course, when you exit out of HDR enabled content, you should reduce brightness to something more appropriate. (10 to 25 etc., whatever suits your viewing environment)
HIGH DEF JEFF
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I use CUSTOM for all my settings. Within Custom I have everything set to basically match "Standard" except for that Motion Fast Forward Shit...I have all that turned off.
When I play an HDR enabled game the HDR kicks on automatically and the BRIGHTNESS flips to MAX automatically.
XBR930D
When I play an HDR enabled game the HDR kicks on automatically and the BRIGHTNESS flips to MAX automatically.
XBR930D
Trying to set up the 43" ver of the x800d and I'm getting audio pops and screen flickering. Does this indicate bad hdmi cables? I've tried several different cables and still the same issues. Some cables only show snow as well when I plug in the ps pro.
Do I need new cables? Do I need 4k specific cables?
edit: guess it was the cables not being compliant. Took the ps4 out of enhanced 4k mode and and the audio no longer pops.
Do I need new cables? Do I need 4k specific cables?
edit: guess it was the cables not being compliant. Took the ps4 out of enhanced 4k mode and and the audio no longer pops.
UnwrittenZero
Member
Played battlefield one on one of these on a friends pro, looked good gonna def pick up the 43 to go with my pro.
Have you tried the cable that comes with the Pro? It sounds like you might be using older spec HDMI cables that aren't capable of doing 18Gbps.
Here's one I know works: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014I8TC4E/?tag=neogaf0e-20
The Artisan
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fuck, missed my chance. now there's this.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/192047946579?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
http://www.ebay.com/itm/192047946579?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
Can't seem to decide between getting this TV or the KS8000; which one would be more future proof? I know HDR is nascent and likely both these tvs will become outdated very soon. Should I stick with the cheaper x800d and look to upgrade in 3 years? How much of a picture quality different did there between the two? I know the Samsung is UHD premium
ElfArmy177
Member
I have both side by side for co-op gaming. My fiance uses the x800d, and I use the ks8000 because I have an Xbox s for hdr. Both are nice, Sony is built better and studier. The ks8000 is very bright and does seem to have a better HDR picture. With that being said, it's not worth the extra 400 it cost me for the ks8000, as the Sony looks just as nice for the most part.
Literally while playing battlefield 1 together I cannot tell the difference between the two TVs aside from the ks8000 having better contrast, but it's arguable and my fiance can't tell a difference either.
Edit: these are the 49 inch. Keep in mind the Sony 49 is an IPS, so that is probably why the contrast is better on the ks8000 for me. The 43 inch I bet you cannot tell at all
OriginofHysteria
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If you're strictly comparing the 49" models, I'd get the ks8000. Currently, if you're in the US, it's only 200 bucks more and well worth the extra cash. I have the 43" model and I'm actually liking it a lot but in the back of my mind I keep thinking about the ks8000.
It also depends on where you're putting it. I have this tv in my room and while 43" is fine, I still think I can bump to 49" but it would look a bit ridiculous.
Theognosis
Member
The X800D can interpolate 30 fps games with minimal lag. It makes all PS4 Pro games run smoother.
On the other hand, all Samsung models can't do interpolation. Unless you want to play games with 100ms lag.
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
Are you talking about motion smoothness. Yeah, it's great that it fakes 60 fps but I heard it's bad for lag. Are you saying the increase in lag using that isn't that bad?
I could see myself turning it on for less twitch based games like The Last Guardian or FFXV.
1080p @ 60Hz Show Help : 33.3 ms
1080p With Interpolation Show Help : 49.1 ms
1080p @ 60Hz Outside Game Mode Show Help : 49.0 ms
1080p @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 Show Help : 33.3 ms
4k @ 60Hz Show Help : 35.3 ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 Show Help : 35.3 ms
4k @ 60Hz + HDR Show Help : 33.2 ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 + HDR Show Help : 33.2 ms
Rtings only mentions interpolation at only 1080p resolution. But interestingly, the jump in input lag isn't that bad. On many TV's, turning interpolation on increases input lag to 90ms+. I'll try it out with FFXV, see if I can feel the lag.
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
You also need to know that the X800D, despite being cheaper - actually does certain things better than the KS8000. Such as motion blur. It's pixel response time is 13ms while the KS8000 is at 18ms.
For people that hate motion blur artifacts / color smearing - the lower the better. It's actually one of the weaknesses' for VA based panel tech. If you find a VA panel that's 9 ms below, that's golden. And usually only OLED's pull that off.
I was wrong about contrast, it does NOT memorize this setting as a difference between SDR and HDR content. It DOES however, memorize your brightness (backlight) setting.
This is in game mode.
Ivory Samoan
Member
Anyone by chance running Marshmallow yet on a X850D or one of the other 2016 models with the input lag problem? I've got a few days to return mine for store credit (thinking about either a 49X800D+PS4Pro which is the same price as just the X850D here in NZ) - the rep told me it was the same input lag as the X800D but 'way better'...I knew I should of done research beforehand XD
My dream is that Android 6.0 Marshmallow adds true HDR Gamemode for the 850/930/940D range, but I'm not holding my breath.
My dream is that Android 6.0 Marshmallow adds true HDR Gamemode for the 850/930/940D range, but I'm not holding my breath.
I think I am having a similar problem as you but I have the newer X930D model. I want to ask you if you have a PC connected to the TV as an "extended" monitor?
I pretty much adjusted the picture settings to my liking for the Game Mode the TV would automatically switch to "HDR Video Mode" when I open FF15, and it would look amazing. BUT sometimes it doesn't automatically switch to the HDR Video Mode and it would stay in "Game Mode" with very washed out HDR color.
The only way for me to resolve this problem is to unextend my PC display (on my PC display setting) to my TV and then turn on the PRO.
I have not yet done a factory reset for the TV yet.
Apologies if this is a stupid question. I haven't owned a TV for nearly 8 years, and before that I had 16" CRT TV. I'm trying to educate myself on the latest tech before I decide what to buy. What I don't understand is how this TV can be considered a good gaming TV when the panel refresh rate is only 50Hz. How would this look with 60 FPS games? Wouldn't that cause tearing? My 7 years old PC monitor has 60Hz. Am I missing something?
But this tv has a 60hz panel. At least the X800D 49"
I play all games at 60fps with no issues on the tv. I mean, it kinda sucks that it caps it at 60, but as long as its 60 it doesn't bother me.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x800d
Daffy Duck
Member
Damn it the 43" has gone up from circa £550 to £679.
I'm confused. Did I mess up the european model name? This link https://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/televisions/xd8005-series says:
MOTION ENHANCER (NATIVE HZ)
Motionflow XR 400Hz(native50Hz)
I don't think you have the right model then. http://www.sony.com/electronics/televisions/xbr-x800d-series/specifications
Someone from the UK with the TV can shed some light on this tho. But this is the X800D that i own, and that is the one that most people discuss here for gaming. Not sure what is the translated code for the TV in EU.
Thanks. I ordered some 4k compliant(?) cables. Will see how they work out but i've also put the cables you suggested in my cart. Thanks again!
I got these. I got them for each of my consoles and my PC. They have been pretty awesome so far.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NQ9OQU2/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Got them on a good sale, i think for 5 of them i only paid 10 bucks.
european tvs always say 50Hz, you are fine
No you're good. The panel is still 60hz and plays games at native 60fps.
I'm not sure why EU TVs always say 50hz, I think it's about the PAL broadcasting standard or sth.
I was just going by what was said in the OP:
I see. Is this a remnant of the PAL / NTSC standard? Seems kinda silly to still uphold it.
EDIT: Ah didn't catch your last line Vuze.