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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS

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There are actually a couple of years between the events of R1/ANH and ESB, so they upgraded it inbetween.

Sure, but it's literally like what, a few hours at most between the ending of Rogue One and the start of Episode IV? There's a difference between those suits too. I mean, it's obviously Vader, with Vader's look, but it doesn't look authentic.

Also, can someone please explain to me the physics behind his cape billowing when he's standing in the docking bay after Leia's ship escapes? There's a force field there. What the hell is causing that other than "cinematography"? Is he just standing in front of some ventilation exhausts? Is he just using the force to make his cape move, because he thinks it makes him look more menacing? Does his cape have a high midichlorian count?
 
Just watched it today, and I'm loving it :)

Spoilers are okay here right?

The space battle with a lot of ships variations felt far better than what we've got in TFA with just X-wings and Tie fighters.

And the Death Star was real awesome in this one. The shot of it over Scarif near the end is great.

Tarkin although I noticed as CG as soon as he turned his face still was quite convincing too.

The last scenes with Vader and Leia (probably) leading to ep 4 intro was nice too.

*edit* I thought Bail was gonna name drop Obi Wan lol.. And R2 still shows up in all the Starwars movies!

All in all very good non-jedi Starwars movie. Right now it sits above TFA for me, but I probably need to rewatch TFA to be sure.
 
I thought he just blocked it.

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you can see the 2nd shot being reflected and impacting just to the left of the door.

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Has anything been written about the legal situation with bringing back Peter Cushing like that?

Did they have to pay his estate? Who owns an actor's image rights after death? I'd imagine there's some kind of long-term deal for rights to an actor's image in Star Wars (for use of the likeness in merchandise, etc) but are specifics known?

Most other face replacement like young Tony Stark, Paul Walker in Furious 7, Oliver Reed in Gladiator, etc is in a situation where either the actor is still alive to consent or has been paid for the right to use his likeness and performance in the film.

We have heard Carrie Fisher in the past talk about how Lucasfilm owns their likeness rights to do with as they please so likely they required no legal agreement from the Cushing family but I would be surprised if they didn't ask his family for their blessing before hand.
 
We have heard Carrie Fisher in the past talk about how Lucasfilm owns their likeness rights to do with as they please so likely they required no legal agreement from the Cushing family but I would be surprised if they didn't ask his family for their blessing before hand.

again, they most certainly did.
The Peter Cushing estate is credited among special thanks.
 
Really liked the movie. Just kills me that Vader looked so goofy. His helmet neck piece not being tucked in made him look like someone cosplaying. I wouldn't complain about such a small matter if it weren't for the fact that it took me and my girlfriend out of his scenes and looked goofy. She's literally only seen the OT once and it stuck out to her

Also, I understand why they went with CGI tarkin, but we just aren't yet there with the tech and would've preferred a recast a la mon mothma
 
Really liked the movie. Just kills me that Vader looked so goofy. His helmet neck piece not being tucked in made him look like someone cosplaying. I wouldn't complain about such a small matter if it weren't for the fact that it took me and my girlfriend out of his scenes and looked goofy. She's literally only seen the OT once and it stuck out to her

I am always amazed that people have a look for small details like that
 
do we have any knowledge of the stuff that was reshot?

Like, do we know they originally planned for more character development or something like that?
 
Sure, but it's literally like what, a few hours at most between the ending of Rogue One and the start of Episode IV? There's a difference between those suits too. I mean, it's obviously Vader, with Vader's look, but it doesn't look authentic.

I think they made the suit as close to ANH as possible but then you account for the 40 years that separate those 2 movies and the difference in production values and then suddenly the lighting is different, the camera's are different, the suit is put together a bit better etc and all this add up to make it look different.
 
Just finished listening to the score. While it has its moments, I definitely prefer TFA's over it, though Giacchino did well given his time constraints, and it reminded me a lot of his MoH scores.

To be quite frank, though, outside of his scores for Lost, Star Trek, Super 8, and Apes, I'm not a big fan of his live-action output, and much prefer his animated work.
 
So what is Rogue One's ultimate impact on the Star Wars story besides being a bunch of rebels who stole the Death Star plans? Is Rogue Squadron named after them or something?
 
I couldn't help while watching thinking Charles Dance would have played Tarkin beautifully. I didn't have an issue with the CGI but Danxe woulda stole the show
 
3rd best SW movie for me, behind Empire and Hope. Edwards actually brought it, along with my boy Giacchino. I'm still shook.
 
So what is Rogue One's ultimate impact on the Star Wars story besides being a bunch of rebels who stole the Death Star plans? Is Rogue Squadron named after them or something?

With the name, as a ret-con, probably.

The impact is smaller because afterall it's just a side story and not a numbered episode.
The Han Solo film will be the same and so on.
 
Loved the Red and Gold Leader cameos. So glad I watched Episode 4 just before I went to the cinema.

Making Lucasfilm money

Also a retcon I'm not sure too many people needed an answer to

It did always bother me a bit that the Empire spent all this time and money building this huge battle station only for a torpedo in the right spot to bring it down. I like that they explain this in Rogue One.
 
Much respect to the podcasts Rebel Force Radio and Full of Sith. They already released episodes discussing the film. Any other Star Wars podcasts that people recommend?
 
It did always bother me a bit that the Empire spent all this time and money building this huge battle station only for a torpedo in the right spot to bring it down. I like that they explain this in Rogue One.

Then they went fuck it for Return of the Jedi and appeared to make it easier to destroy than the original.


Though I did like they explained the magical torpedoes for ANH, I agree.
 
There was something about this movie where each scene screamed at me "I want to play this in a video game." Maybe not all the same genre of game. Especially Scarif, which, as I understand is actually making it into Battlefront.
 
So what is Rogue One's ultimate impact on the Star Wars story besides being a bunch of rebels who stole the Death Star plans? Is Rogue Squadron named after them or something?
We saw the scale of the Empire as a galactic entity with infrastructure and occupying forces as opposed to a military force that shows up to beat on the Rebels.

We know the Death Star was powered by kyber crystals looted from Jedi holy places, which is pretty fucking cool.

We saw a force user who wasn't a Jedi, and saw the force intervening in events where Jedis weren't involved, and we saw the Jedi home world/holy place.

We saw how the rebellion, literally days before A New Hope, was about to break apart and succumb to the Empire. In addition to getting the Death Star plans, them uniting in this movie was essential to their future victories.

We now know the exhaust port was a deliberate design flaw by a brave scientist rather than an inept one.

We understand the stakes going into a New Hope and the sacrifice the rebellion had recently paid to even get a slight - ahem - hope of defeating the Empire.

Sure, it's all additive rather than essential, but I think it adds so much richness to the universe and enhances rather than detracts from the original trilogy. We've especially never seen the Empire operating at its peak like this before, and the costs their grip on the galaxy had for the people living in it.
 
So the general consensus is this -

- Poor characters. Given no reason to care about Jyn. Cassian is a complete non-entity with no character development.
- No villain except some dastardly cliche old man. And a cameo by Darth
- No 'wow that was cool' moments in the entire fucking film. They had DONNIE YEN but they did nothing with him. Criminal.

- Laughably bad CGI in places. The General and Leia were cringeworthy bad.
- Poor story. Let's fly to the base of the scientist that made the death star so we can have a chat with him and watch him get blown up. Then a little cryee 'father' scene that you didn't care about as you didn't care about the characters.

- Acting. Generally poor. Cassian had no charisma or charm at all. Jyn was equally glum and joyless. Whittaker gave a bizarre turn.
Basically this for me. It was long and I felt every minute of it.
 
We saw the scale of the Empire as a galactic entity with infrastructure and occupying forces as opposed to a military force that shows up to beat on the Rebels.

We know the Death Star was powered by kyber crystals looted from Jedi holy places, which is pretty fucking cool.

We saw a force user who wasn't a Jedi, and saw the force intervening in events where Jedis weren't involved, and we saw the Jedi home world/holy place.

We saw how the rebellion, literally days before A New Hope, was about to break apart and succumb to the Empire. In addition to getting the Death Star plans, them uniting in this movie was essential to their future victories.

We now know the exhaust port was a deliberate design flaw by a brave scientist rather than an inept one.

We understand the stakes going into a New Hope and the sacrifice the rebellion had recently paid to even get a slight - ahem - hope of defeating the Empire.

Sure, it's all additive rather than essential, but I think it adds so much richness to the universe and enhances rather than detracts from the original trilogy. We've especially never seen the Empire operating at its peak like this before, and the costs their grip on the galaxy had for the people living in it.

Very well put.
 
jyns dad made it possible for the rebels to destroy the death star.

Yep. Galen Erso gave the Empire a big fuck you by building a back door into the Death Star that would allow it to be destroyed.

It kind of answers a small question my friends and I have discussed in the past about Episode IV. How would the rebels even know to go looking for a small 2 meter exhaust port that can blow the thing up?

So whose up for Rogue Two: A Manny Bothans story?
 
Title crawl was robbed!

Besides that I really, really enjoyed it!
While the first act was fairly messy and I'd wished to see more of Mads, the film brought everything into focus by the time it got to the middle. Hit it out of the park as far as I'm concerned.
 
We saw the scale of the Empire as a galactic entity with infrastructure and occupying forces as opposed to a military force that shows up to beat on the Rebels.

We know the Death Star was powered by kyber crystals looted from Jedi holy places, which is pretty fucking cool.

We saw a force user who wasn't a Jedi, and saw the force intervening in events where Jedis weren't involved, and we saw the Jedi home world/holy place.

We saw how the rebellion, literally days before A New Hope, was about to break apart and succumb to the Empire. In addition to getting the Death Star plans, them uniting in this movie was essential to their future victories.

We now know the exhaust port was a deliberate design flaw by a brave scientist rather than an inept one.

We understand the stakes going into a New Hope and the sacrifice the rebellion had recently paid to even get a slight - ahem - hope of defeating the Empire.

Sure, it's all additive rather than essential, but I think it adds so much richness to the universe and enhances rather than detracts from the original trilogy. We've especially never seen the Empire operating at its peak like this before, and the costs their grip on the galaxy had for the people living in it.
I meant the group itself, not the movie. But thank you, these are all good points as to what's pretty great about the film.
 
Loved it but holy shit CGI Tarkin and Leia were dreadful. Why not make it a tradition and recast Tarkin? The whole time I was dreading what they're going to look like when we watch this 5 years later. Leia cameo would have been more effective if they just showed the back of her head.
 
We saw the scale of the Empire as a galactic entity with infrastructure and occupying forces as opposed to a military force that shows up to beat on the Rebels.

We know the Death Star was powered by kyber crystals looted from Jedi holy places, which is pretty fucking cool.

We saw a force user who wasn't a Jedi, and saw the force intervening in events where Jedis weren't involved, and we saw the Jedi home world/holy place.

We saw how the rebellion, literally days before A New Hope, was about to break apart and succumb to the Empire. In addition to getting the Death Star plans, them uniting in this movie was essential to their future victories.

We now know the exhaust port was a deliberate design flaw by a brave scientist rather than an inept one.

We understand the stakes going into a New Hope and the sacrifice the rebellion had recently paid to even get a slight - ahem - hope of defeating the Empire.

Sure, it's all additive rather than essential, but I think it adds so much richness to the universe and enhances rather than detracts from the original trilogy. We've especially never seen the Empire operating at its peak like this before, and the costs their grip on the galaxy had for the people living in it.

Definitely and it showed that rebels aren't all clean and are ready to get their hands dirty to achieve their goals, it's something that wasn't present in all movies, I think it's more mature.
 
On the subject of soundtrack,
that "crawl" theme was absolutely horrendous.
Lighthearted Clone Wars or even Rebels' theme would have worked better than that mess.
 
What was the point of that scene where Saw 'interrogated' the Pilot with that creature? He said it makes people lose their minds. The Pilot acts a bit weird for a couple of scenes and then is basically fine.
 
What was the point of that scene where Saw 'interrogated' the Pilot with that creature? He said it makes people lose their minds. The Pilot acts a bit weird for a couple of scenes and then is basically fine.

I just interpreted that scene as one to show how batshit and extreme Saw has become, I don't think the creature actually does anything - happy to be proven wrong on this.

The whole time I was dreading what they're going to look like when we watch this 5 years later

Rogue One Special Edition with added Jar Jar scenes!
 
Loved it but holy shit CGI Tarkin and Leia were dreadful. Why not make it a tradition and recast Tarkin? The whole time I was dreading what they're going to look like when we watch this 5 years later. Leia cameo would have been more effective if they just showed the back of her head.
Agree my thoughts exactly. Even a side profile of Leia would've sufficed. Recasting tarkin would've been the right call
 
I loved how fucking menacing the Death Star is in this movie, more than any other SW fils. The shots where the base approaches to the planet like a satellite were terryfing yet awesome.
 
Only two issues...

Never would've gotten 5 feet in the Imperial Officer outfit and wouldn't the
Empire picked up the codes being transmitted and be like "oh snap, look at this, let's stop this"
but I suppose that did happen this A New Hope takes place immediately.
 
There was something about this movie where each scene screamed at me "I want to play this in a video game." Maybe not all the same genre of game. Especially Scarif, which, as I understand is actually making it into Battlefront.

story by Gary Whitta (longtime games journalist, who somehow lucked his way into working on a star wars movie despite having written Will Smith's After Earth). I felt the same way as you btw.

I thought it was a bad movie from top to bottom. It had the same problems as Godzilla (same director). Gareth Edwards is one of the better action scene directors around it seems, but good lord, the way he stages dialogue is SO TERRIBLE in both Godzilla and Rogue One.

Not to mention the complete failure to recognize what it is about Star Wars that people like. ITS THE CHARACTERS. Making a Star Wars movie with such dull and lifeless characters is just wrong. At least TFA attempted (with varying degrees of success) to make interesting, likable characters.
 
As much hate as TFA and Kylo get, I really really really hope that Kylo becomes [even close to] as menacing as Vader in 8 and 9. Vader is just so fucking imposing and I love it.

Question about the Death Star. It was used twice in this movie - once to destroy the temple on Jedha and once on Scarif. Did they destroy Scarif or just blow up the com tower?
 
story by Gary Whitta (longtime games journalist, who somehow lucked his way into working on a star wars movie despite having written Will Smith's After Earth). I felt the same way as you btw.

I thought it was a bad movie from top to bottom. It had the same problems as Godzilla (same director). Gareth Edwards is one of the better action scene directors around it seems, but good lord, the way he stages dialogue is SO TERRIBLE in both Godzilla and Rogue One.

Not to mention the complete failure to recognize what it is about Star Wars that people like. ITS THE CHARACTERS. Making a Star Wars movie with such dull and lifeless characters is just wrong. At least TFA attempted (with varying degrees of success) to make interesting, likable characters.

The characters were awesome in this movie. Going to have to completely disagree with you there. I liked TFA a lot, but this movie had me feeling for the characters on a completely different level than TFA, which is fine considering TFA was an introduction for its characters more than anything else.
 
I saw it last night, I really, really loved this movie. I still think TESB is the best SW film, but it’s a tough fight between TFA/ANH/RO for second place for me, all three great SW movies IMHO. I’d probably just barely place RO in fourth place, with TFA in second and ANH a super close third, but all three would be really, really tight in ranking for me, followed by RotJ, and then a far, far, FAR distant who-cares-what-order-they-are-in prequel crap.

The first half of Rogue One was good and engaging but a tad on the slow side, but after seeing the fantastic second half finale I understand why it was so, the first half is just the huge set up for the epic climax. Dear Lord the last hour of this movie was everything I was hoping it would be, honestly it was better than I expected. That is without a doubt my favorite battle scene from any Star Wars movie, absolutely no doubt. It was the attention to little details that really made it work for me, like how they capital ships in orbit were watching the ground action from up in orbit, that was freakin awesome. I really liked Krennic’s character too, actually I liked all of the characters in RO. Sure some were a bit weak and could have used more development but all were effective and likable IMHO, especially K2S0, even though he was a droid I felt he was the best character in the film.

And Tarkin, holy hell he was a major character really, and even though I knew he was a CG character I still thought it was a super impressive piece of work. An awful lot of people in the lobby afterwards were convinced that it was either Peter Cushing’s son playing him or an actor in a really good makeup job, people seriously couldn’t tell he was full on CGI. I could kind of tell, but I have to wonder if I had not known going in that he was CGI would I have realized it too?

And that final scene with Vader, fuck yeah, that was exactly what I wanted from Vader for this film. Exactly.

Yep, I loved it. I’ll be seeing it again for sure this weekend.
 
The characters were awesome in this movie. Going to have to completely disagree with you there.
I don't remember anyone's name other than Jyn and Cassian. Oh, and Galen Urso because they said his name 8358103 times before swiftly killing him off.

Tarkin hit me straight in the uncanny valley dick, too. Vader being something out of a monster movie was incredible though.
 
Man the entire back end of this movie was literally too good personally.
So many people said they want to jump straight into an ANH rewatch,
but straight after that I really don't want to hang out with Luke on Tatooine for like half the movie.
 
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