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[Duane Cunningham]

It probably helped that I read Catalyst first, but I loved Jyn's character, and I was constantly thinking about how from her viewpoint, there wouldn't be ANY reason to support the rebellion or the empire. Their war had ruined her entire life. She had fought for the rebels when she was younger, but by then she must have been wishing that her dad had just played along, and that they were all still alive, living a normal life. Living under the Imperial flag isn't so bad if you don't look up. And for that matter, her dad DID play along, but only after Lyra was killed and everything was ruined. The truth was, he was STILL fighting them from the inside, and when she discovered that by watching the hologram, she broke down in tears, ready to participate again after all these years.

I think her motivations were really interesting and they had me thinking the whole time, especially when she argued with Cassian. I don't think the complaint about "weak characters" holds much water at all for me, especially compared to a lot of other Star Wars protagonists.

 

[BattleMonkey]

Yeah that works in-universe. However from a creative point of view, you don't give it this new feature, model it, animated it, show it off, and then just never actually use it for anything.

That's what makes me wonder.

The movie clearly did have extensive reshoots.

The entire third act feels like it was completely different before. I'm pretty certain the rebel fleet and space battle never were in the original version of the film, it all feels so disjointed and the plot conveniently makes sure the space stuff has no connection to whats happening down on Scariff. Plus originally we saw Krennic on the battlefield of the beach in trailer, as well as Jynn running with the plans on the ground under fire.

The whole having to get to top of tower to send the plans to the fleet feels like it was changed from originally what appears to the rebels attempting to grab and run off with the plans on the ground. In none of the early promos at all did we see any hint of the space battle or shield gate stuff, this wasn't seen till much later. Also to note how the rebel fleet magically gets to Scariff so quick out of nowhere. I'm positive none of that was in the original take of the film

 

[bill0527]

Digging around on some Peter Cushing info today and came across this little bit of Star Wars trivia I never knew about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdXLDvx_tHQ

Apparently the boots for his Imperial costume were too small because he had big feet. It was so uncomfortable for him he asked George Lucas to shoot all of his scenes from the waist up and Lucas obliged. He was wearing carpet slippers in all of those scenes.

 

[Albino_Yeti]

The last 30 minutes were some of the best Star Wars I've ever seen.
A lot of people are saying they didn't like CGI Tarkin, but I didn't mind him. Maybe because I was geeking out the whole time

 

[Toa TAK]

They werent CG, they were the same shots from ANH but with different backgrounds.

I THOUGHT something looked off in those shots. Thanks.

 

[Schryver]

Tarkin looked okay for the most part but they used him way too much. The character didn't have a whole lot of purpose in the script I don't think. Leia annoyed me. So brief but looked weird. Also she seemed way too happy to get that floppy disk considering they had just barely escaped on that ship after a bunch of dudes got slaughtered by Vader

 

[golem]

The movie clearly did have extensive reshoots.

The entire third act feels like it was completely different before. I'm pretty certain the rebel fleet and space battle never were in the original version of the film, it all feels so disjointed and the plot conveniently makes sure the space stuff has no connection to whats happening down on Scariff. Plus originally we saw Krennic on the battlefield of the beach in trailer, as well as Jynn running with the plans on the ground under fire.

The whole having to get to top of tower to send the plans to the fleet feels like it was changed from originally what appears to the rebels attempting to grab and run off with the plans on the ground. In none of the early promos at all did we see any hint of the space battle or shield gate stuff, this wasn't seen till much later. Also to note how the rebel fleet magically gets to Scariff so quick out of nowhere. I'm positive none of that was in the original take of the film

Yup large parts are obviously completely different from what was first shot

http://www.slashfilm.com/rogue-one-missing-trailer-footage/

 

[Surfinn]

The movie clearly did have extensive reshoots.

The entire third act feels like it was completely different before. I'm pretty certain the rebel fleet and space battle never were in the original version of the film, it all feels so disjointed and the plot conveniently makes sure the space stuff has no connection to whats happening down on Scariff. Plus originally we saw Krennic on the battlefield of the beach in trailer, as well as Jynn running with the plans on the ground under fire.

The whole having to get to top of tower to send the plans to the fleet feels like it was changed from originally what appears to the rebels attempting to grab and run off with the plans on the ground.

It really felt to me like the tie fighter/Krennik switch was changed late into production. Entire sequence seemed very rushed.

 

[bigwinnerx]

Leia looks how Leia looks, but, my kids are going to be so happy when she shows up, even for a millisecond.

 

[MythicReclaimer]

Just saw it this morning, a fantastic Star Wars story with a great tie-in to A New Hope. It felt a bit like the Halo: Reach of Star Wars.

I thought there was the perfect amount of callbacks to prior/forward characters as well but not enough to lose focus on it's own main characters.

Loved it.

 

[OmegaFax]

If they do a sequel ... not like a direct sequel (obviously) but if they continue this anthology idea beyond the Han Solo movie and into something else, I think it would be interesting to see Mon Mothma's story from the end of A New Hope through perhaps the very beginning of RotJ or at least when Luke and the others meet back with the fleet at the end of Empire.

The Rebels are established on Hoth but the Rebel fleet is clearly somewhere else during the course of Empire. I know it's probably explained in EU materials but eh, it's a direction. Feels like they could adapt Shadows of the Empire and tell the story of the Emporer's trap with the plans to the second Death Star.

 

[bill0527]

So has there been any breakdowns of 'discrepancies' between this movie and the original trilogy.

Surely theres gotta be a few things that don't make sense or are retconned.

I really don't think there are any. Any holes would be all over the place by now, especially in this thread.

I think they tied everything in to Episode IV about as tight as they could.

 

[Surfinn]

Leia looks how Leia looks, but, my kids are going to be so happy when she shows up, even for a millisecond.

I thought she looked good. Way better than Tarkin.

 

[SuperStiltzkin]

Leia's face model looks great. But they animated it poorly I felt. Movement is a bit too sudden when she spoke her line.

 

[moltonasty]

The mixed reception on the CGI is super interesting to me. I see people saying Leia looked terrible, but I was blown away by how realistic she looked!

 

[HK-47]

For a lot of the film, I felt like they were using too much Tarkin and it was cannibalizing Mendelsohn's performance as Krennic... until the very end, when we see Tarkin fire on Scarif and the look on Krennic's face as he sees his creation come up over the horizon to destroy him. I think that retroactively justified all of the Tarkin screentime for me.



I don't know what Disney has to do with it; it's not like Bob Iger is sitting in the edit bay giving notes on the sound mix. Williams' TFA score sounds better on its own than it did in the movie, imo, and I think that comes down to JJ just not making great use of what he was given outside of a few sequences. Not sure if it's a similar issue with Rogue One too, though Giacchino having to write the score in just a few weeks likely didn't help either.

Beautiful scene. Cliche maybe, but still wonderful.

 

[Anth0ny]

Description of Vader's Lair from the art book.

first of all, I need this book.

second of all... it's basically telling us that Vader's lair has a basement.

AND IT LOOKS LIKE THIS:

HNNNGGGGGG

 

[Veelk]

This was a really baffling narrative decision. Also used one of the oldest cliches in the book

I have a feeling "Baffling decisions" was Gareth Edward's nickname in highschool. I still haven't gotten over his Godzilla reveal over a year later.

 

[bill0527]

If they do a sequel ... not like a direct sequel (obviously) but if they continue this anthology idea beyond the Han Solo movie and into something else, I think it would be interesting to see Mon Mothma's story from the end of A New Hope through perhaps the very beginning of RotJ or at least when Luke and the others meet back with the fleet at the end of Empire.

The Rebels are established on Hoth but the Rebel fleet is clearly somewhere else during the course of Empire. I know it's probably explained in EU materials but eh, it's a direction. Feels like they could adapt Shadows of the Empire and tell the story of the Emporer's trap with the plans to the second Death Star.

I think the Rebels on Hoth have got be only a very small portion of them. That can't be their main base like it was on Yavin IV because there were so few ships and troops at that outpost. Rogue One and Return of the Jedi established that the rebels have a large fleet somewhere and they certainly weren't in orbit around Hoth.

 

[bigwinnerx]

I thought she looked good. Way better than Tarkin.

I think so, too, just for the record.

 

[Sesuadra]

Just came back from the cinema.
I did not like the first few minutes (10-20 minutes) of the movie. to much jumping from place to place...but it got better and better pretty fast and the Darth Vader scenes were amazing.

I also thought Tarkin and Leia looked good/great. I enjoyed the fan-service.

 

[BattleMonkey]

Yup large parts are obviously completely different from what was first shot

http://www.slashfilm.com/rogue-one-missing-trailer-footage/

Yea the sizzle real shows alot of different footage especially. Like Jyn and Cas in their disguises going hand to hand with imperials and such, not in film.

 

[HK-47]

first of all, I need this book.

second of all... it's basically telling us that Vader's lair has a basement.

AND IT LOOKS LIKE THIS:

HNNNGGGGGG

Why would anyone have a throne in a lava cavern? That has to be either deadly or insanely uncomfortable.

 

[Veelk]

Why would anyone have a throne in a lava cavern? That has to be either deadly or insanely uncomfortable.

But HK, if they don't have a lava throne, how is anyone going to know their the evilist evil of all evils?

 

[HK-47]

But HK, if they don't have a lava throne, how is anyone going to know their the evilist evil of all evils?

Itll be tough but I'm sure we can find a way.

 

[Toa TAK]

Why would anyone have a throne in a lava cavern? That has to be either deadly or insanely uncomfortable.

Because it looks COOL. 😎

 

[Jeffrey]

http://www.polygon.com/2016/12/16/13955092/rogue-one-deleted-characters

was this really the first movie with female resistant pilots?

wild.


still no resistance foot soldiers though. maybe next movie.

 

[a916]

That Vader choke line was terrible, nearly walked out hearing that.

I have to be one of the few who felt the tarkin cg was awful but the Leia cg was seamless

Makes sense since they tried doing more with it.

Not awful by any means, it just wasn't perfect. This isn't some Scorpian King level CG

 

[jokkir]

Is the Death Star just a giant light saber? We'll see a giant light saber in episode VIII, right?

 

[Real Hero]

Felt like another new hope remake in all honestly. A bad start to these spin offs

 

[Toa TAK]

http://www.polygon.com/2016/12/16/13955092/rogue-one-deleted-characters

was this really the first movie with female resistant pilots?

wild.


still no resistance foot soldiers though. maybe next movie.

What about episode VII? There was a female pilot in that.

Felt like another new hope remake in all honestly. A bad start to these spin offs

That makes no sense.

 

[Not Spaceghost]

Episode 7 had female pilots didn't it?

 

[shira]

Just came back from the cinema.
I did not like the first few minutes (10-20 minutes) of the movie. to much jumping from place to place...but it got better and better pretty fast and the Darth Vader scenes were amazing.

I also thought Tarkin and Leia looked good/great. I enjoyed the fan-service.

When Diego Luna shot his informant point blank I knew this was gonna be fucking good.

 

[Aiii]

Why would anyone have a throne in a lava cavern? That has to be either deadly or insanely uncomfortable.

Vader is a machine, he will be fine. What? He is gonna get an even heavier breath?

 

[Gleethor]

Why would anyone have a throne in a lava cavern? That has to be either deadly or insanely uncomfortable.

Better than sand.

 

[Surfinn]

Episode 7 had female pilots didn't it?

Yes at least one.

There was also a female stormtrooper.

 

[Back-In-Black]

Better than sand.

It gets everywhere, not like lava.

 

[Gleethor]

Felt like another new hope remake in all honestly. A bad start to these spin offs

Explain this craziness

 

[BronsonLee]

What the fuck are you all doing

 

[Einchy]

Episode 7 had female pilots didn't it?

Yup.

It also had female Stormtroopers.

Felt like another new hope remake in all honestly. A bad start to these spin offs

Is this gonna be the "it looks like a tv show" of Star Wars movies?

 

[Back-In-Black]

Felt like another new hope remake in all honestly. A bad start to these spin offs

Remember in ANH when the Rebels were all shot down and Tarkin blew up Yavin-4? Good times.

 

[Surfinn]

Felt like another new hope remake in all honestly. A bad start to these spin offs

This film was nothing like ANH.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Why would anyone have a throne in a lava cavern? That has to be either deadly or insanely uncomfortable.

Because it looks cool

 

[3N16MA]

They had time to get to the beach.

I thought they took the elevator down and kind of hung out outside the base as the place was covered with water.

 

[Real Hero]

Rebels dressing up in disguise to do some plot in an important imperial place. I don't need to see this ever again

 

[brandonh83]

This film was nothing like ANH.

Every movie going forward is going to be a remake to some it seems.

Rebels dressing up in disguise to do some plot in an important imperial place. I don't need to this ever again

In Episode IV they do this because they were involuntarily pulled into the Death Star and had to disguise themselves as cover.
In Rogue One they voluntarily do this to steal something and neither movie feels even remotely similar.

 

[3N16MA]

Why would anyone have a throne in a lava cavern? That has to be either deadly or insanely uncomfortable.

It's like sitting in a nice sauna.

 

[HK-47]

Vader is a machine, he will be fine. What? He is gonna get an even heavier breath?

Not seeing Vader on the throne. Still a dumb idea that doesnt rule of cool it hard enough to be good.

 

[LegalEagleMike]

I thought they took the elevator down and kind of hung out outside the base as the place was covered with water.

Well ya I figure that is what they did as well. Just looked like the shuttle pad would have been just as close or closer. Like i said tho, nitpicking.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Every movie going forward is going to be a remake to some it seems.

We need to repeat stupid assmemes all the time!