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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS
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Gozer the Gozerian
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I agree that they need to stop making movies about rebels infiltrating in imperial disguises.
What would be cool is if they made a star wars movie about a giant planet killing superweapon.
What would be cool is if they made a star wars movie about a giant planet killing superweapon.
WadiumArcadium
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I'd take anyone in the main Rogue One team over the main cast in TPM or Clones, except maybe Obi-Wan. CG Leia looked a bit dodgy to me but I thought they did a pretty decent job with Tarkin.
I completely agree.
Can you imagine seeing The Battle of Malachor V on the big screen? I would picture it being a lot like that Omaha scene in Saving Private Ryan.
The Rogue One theme took a bit of time to like, but it really clicked with me by the end of the movie.
The Imperial Suite is pretty sweet. Giacchino easily could've just done done The Imperial March with his own little touches, but it's about time the Empire gets more than one theme.
I thought the Tarkin cg was bad but got better during the second half but the Leia cg seemed great. It probably helped that the scene was quick but I was super impressed with it.
brandonh83
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Again I think the problem is sharing the screen space with actual live actors. I thought Tarkin looked incredibly cartoony; you can have impressive CG work still look terrible in certain conditions, and I thought it stuck out like a sore thumb to the point where it made me feel uncomfortable. I was wondering if the theater was about to start laughing unintentionally at it, lots of shifting in seats and the like.
Tarkin looks bad in Revenge of the Sith, but Lucas had him in the background so it wasn't aggressively jarring like it was here. It'd be like that but if they had him up front speaking with live action characters.
Gozer the Gozerian
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Tarkin CGI made me so uncomfortable I barfed up my milk duds
even the crawl for Jedi sucks compared to Star Wars and Empire, lol
Luke's training between Empire and Jedi would be the most interesting story to tell during that time frame, I think. But I guess you can also tell a story about...ANOTHER brilliant scientist who builds ANOTHER death star...
There's also a story that could be told about Vader's emotional state now that he's met his son. And Leia getting her hands on Boushh's outfit
I'm hoping that once they get through a few of these original trilogy adjacent movies that they'll start to consider doing some stuff not directly connected with characters from the trilogies. Their is a lot of ground that could be covered with the Old Republic. Maybe one day.
ThreePiMatt
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Just got home. I didn't walk out of the theater immediately disappointed like I was with TFA, but I generally thought there was a weird clash of styles of old and new.
I really liked/appreciated how they handled the returning "old" characters. CGI whatever, with my eyesight these days they looked good to me. Tarkin, Leia, Mon Mothma, Red/Gold Leader, seeing them all ignited a giddiness in me in a way that even TFA didn't with the big names.
But a lot of the new stuff layered on top just felt like it didn't fit in with the old. One of my chief complaints about TFA was the kind of over-the-top style of the First Order. The First Order felt like a parody of the Empire, more comic-booky like Hydra. So, you kind of see this clash of old and new, where Tarkin is still a cold, calculating motherfucker, but Krennic kind of leans more towards the over-acted, overly-emoted style of TFA. Even his outfit, with the goofy cloak, is a maybe a bit too much for A New Hope-style Star Wars. He's certainly not as bad as General Hux, who is just an all-around terrible character.
More gripes about the "new" stuff, I don't think I cared for a single person in the "Merry Band of Pranksters." Jyn was just like Rey, didn't feel particularly believable as a character. Cassian was just boring. K-2SO as comic relief just completely missed the mark, none of that was funny. Donnie Yen's character and his bodyguard weren't all that bad. And Forrest Whitacker's character was okay as well.
Now for Vader. That first appearance by Vader was really unfortunate. The fact that he lives in the Tower of Sauron and that just absolutely cringeworthy choking one-liner made me want to hide in my hoodie. But that last scene.... fuuuuuuuuuuck. Yeah, you're not supposed to cheer for the bad guy, but it goes to show why Darth Vader really is the greatest villain of all time.
I really liked/appreciated how they handled the returning "old" characters. CGI whatever, with my eyesight these days they looked good to me. Tarkin, Leia, Mon Mothma, Red/Gold Leader, seeing them all ignited a giddiness in me in a way that even TFA didn't with the big names.
But a lot of the new stuff layered on top just felt like it didn't fit in with the old. One of my chief complaints about TFA was the kind of over-the-top style of the First Order. The First Order felt like a parody of the Empire, more comic-booky like Hydra. So, you kind of see this clash of old and new, where Tarkin is still a cold, calculating motherfucker, but Krennic kind of leans more towards the over-acted, overly-emoted style of TFA. Even his outfit, with the goofy cloak, is a maybe a bit too much for A New Hope-style Star Wars. He's certainly not as bad as General Hux, who is just an all-around terrible character.
More gripes about the "new" stuff, I don't think I cared for a single person in the "Merry Band of Pranksters." Jyn was just like Rey, didn't feel particularly believable as a character. Cassian was just boring. K-2SO as comic relief just completely missed the mark, none of that was funny. Donnie Yen's character and his bodyguard weren't all that bad. And Forrest Whitacker's character was okay as well.
Now for Vader. That first appearance by Vader was really unfortunate. The fact that he lives in the Tower of Sauron and that just absolutely cringeworthy choking one-liner made me want to hide in my hoodie. But that last scene.... fuuuuuuuuuuck. Yeah, you're not supposed to cheer for the bad guy, but it goes to show why Darth Vader really is the greatest villain of all time.
What do you mean by empty characters? What did you think of Finn and Poe for example?
BattleMonkey
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That has nothing to do with Lucasfilm deciding down the line to cover something that supposedly a comic book already covered. Some comics filling the gap between ANH and ESB doesn't mean movies are off limits for the same period or content
Yup. The first Tarkin appearance had weird CGI, the later ones were fine. Leia looked a bit off, but great overall.
brandonh83
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Poe is more of a side character, but still had a lot of charm to him and Isaac is great. Finn was fine for me and had enough scenes/exposition to make me care and had a great connection to the other characters especially Rey. I didn't care about any of these people.
brandonh83
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WadiumArcadium
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There does seem to be quite a few people who liked one and hated the other. I really like both.
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Mark Kermode reviewed it today on his show. Seemed to like it a lot.
Lifejumper
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Agree with you. Id rate TFA above R1 tho.
I agree. I had hoped we would go beyond the Imperial March for this movie and Giacchino delivered on that. Especially with Darth Vader at the end there. So happy there were some epic vocals as I think that's just as appropriate for Darth Vader as the Imperial March.
RobbieNick
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Me, my sister and the entire audience watching would have to disagree with you on that one. The fact that he just says whatever he wants and is brutally honest made him my favorite character in the movie.
I will agree about the rest of the cast. IMO, the movie rushed along too fast to really give you an idea of what these characters are all about. With the exception of Jyn and Cassain's character arcs', the rest don't get enough screen time for you to really care about them. This is a 2 and a half hour movie that really should have been 3 hours I think.
Saw this yesterday and really enjoyed it. The more I think about it now the more I like it to be honest. Thought the movie did a good job introducing all the characters and it made me care about them. I know that's a point that didn't work for everybody but I was surprised how much I felt the deaths even though I obviously knew where it was headed, which is the complete opposite to Godzilla because I couldn't give less of a shit about the people in that flick.
Huge props to Felicity Jones, after watching the first trailer I wasn't sure that she could pull it off but boy did she prove me wrong. That hollywood reporter review makes even less sense to me now.
I loved pretty much all the action sequences, the display of the Death Star's destructive capabilities was impressive and while the final Vader scene was more or less just fanservice it seems that I'm exactly the target of said fanservice.
Probably my biggest gripe was CGI Tarkin. It just falls apart the moment he shares the screen with live actors. Same goes for Leia but she her appearance was so short that it didn't really matter. Overall I liked this more than I did episode VII and I'm planning to see it again in a week or two
Huge props to Felicity Jones, after watching the first trailer I wasn't sure that she could pull it off but boy did she prove me wrong. That hollywood reporter review makes even less sense to me now.
I loved pretty much all the action sequences, the display of the Death Star's destructive capabilities was impressive and while the final Vader scene was more or less just fanservice it seems that I'm exactly the target of said fanservice.
It was awesome.
Probably my biggest gripe was CGI Tarkin. It just falls apart the moment he shares the screen with live actors. Same goes for Leia but she her appearance was so short that it didn't really matter. Overall I liked this more than I did episode VII and I'm planning to see it again in a week or two
I loved Krennic and Tarkin in this so much. Krennic just wanted it sooooo bad and Tarkin and Vader, everyone just dumps on him. At the end Tarkin outmaneuvers him so effortlessly and wipes him out without a hint of emotion, just crushes him like a bug with his own life's work. Soooooo good.
Just got back and thought it was pretty entertaining. Almost like SW visual porn, something I felt was very much missing in TFA. The world building, visual design and SW grit was off the charts. Character development was lacking and contrary to much of the pre release criticism I actually enjoyed the first half of the movie more than I did the second. The movie started with a leisurely but assured pace and scenes were given adequate time to breathe and the universe enveloped the viewer. The last hour felt like a completely different movie, like the Disney-Abrams machine took the reigns and dialed the action to eleven.
DoctorFling
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I can't believe people don't like the Vader one-liner, it was so fun
In fact, I loved everything about Vader in this film
In fact, I loved everything about Vader in this film
Alright so I saw the movie and it was...eh it was alright. It's a solid movie but that last third act really elevates it from a meh to being good.
Also all the characters were weak as hell.
Overall not a bad movie but I'm not sure if I think it was great. Just a very solid enough movie.
Also all the characters were weak as hell.
Was any reason given as to why the guys from Jedha continued to follow them? After a while they were just tagging along and I really couldn't understand why. Everyone seemed to have a goal to fulfill and they didn't seem to really have much of anything.
Overall not a bad movie but I'm not sure if I think it was great. Just a very solid enough movie.
Oh yeah, dude. Seeing the battle above Malachor V and the Mass Shadow Generator activate would be insane.
Looks like they changed it up in the ongoing canon with a few Rebels episodes though and none of that happened
Jyn and Cassian are the lead characters and the other are side characters, for TFA characters, I don't like Finn at all, he's too caricatural, he was like the Black funny dude that we can see in all american movie and his overacting is annoying, Rey is a Mary Sue and I don't care about her personal story, I don't give a fuck about who's her daddy and what she's gonna do next, Poe is just the handsome dude that has less screen time than Vader in Rogue One but without the charsima and style...
I really like Kylo Ren though, I think he can be the vilain I was waiting for in a Disney movie but I know they gonna fuck up, they always do.
OricWindstar
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I was unsure about the pun at first, but dude has been training under the Emperor. He's just picking up his sense of humor a bit.
SuperStiltzkin
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Its not like they could just go home. The empire just blew it up. There could have been more time spent with them grieving the loss of their holy city instead of just that one exchange between Chirrut and Baze, I'll admit.
brandonh83
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Don't agree. I connected with TFA's cast much easier and I care about where they're being taken. Hey, it is what it is
Lifejumper
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So all the media reports about the reshoots making the tone lighter were bullshit right?
Albino_Yeti
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It seems like, and correct me if I'm wrong, that the reshoots actually made it darker.
SuperStiltzkin
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I guess the first half might be more light-hearted. But the second half is as dark as it gets without killing younglings.
Two really good Star Wars movies in two years though definitely has me more optimistic about the series than I've been in a long time.
I hope Disney man's the fuck up and does Episodes I-III special editions, in which the thing that's special about them is all of George Lucas's stuff is thrown away and we get a legitimate character arc for Anakin with a believable fall from grace...
I will absolutely let Ewan McGregor reprise his role though.
I hope Disney man's the fuck up and does Episodes I-III special editions, in which the thing that's special about them is all of George Lucas's stuff is thrown away and we get a legitimate character arc for Anakin with a believable fall from grace...
I will absolutely let Ewan McGregor reprise his role though.
I really can't say TFA and R1 are "better" than the prequels. (I don't include but keep Clone Wars developments in mind for those)
I can't say they are worse either.
I feel like both are missing a vital part, but they're different ones for each.
Hopefully they'll get it together soon.
It's like none of those movies are satisfying me 100%, and have very serious flaws I can't overlook.
I can't say they are worse either.
I feel like both are missing a vital part, but they're different ones for each.
Hopefully they'll get it together soon.
It's like none of those movies are satisfying me 100%, and have very serious flaws I can't overlook.
Lifejumper
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Not as long as George Lucas is alive.
Yeah I could totally accept Ewan McGregor and Jimmy Smits coming back for a do over prequel trilogy. I wonder if the idea has come up at all at Disney. I can only imagine how enraged Lucas would be. Personally I just consider the Clone Wars series to be the prequels instead of the movies. The Clone Wars series isn't perfect but it certainly went a long way to actually making Anakin a real and likable character.
Adjust your standards? Prequels and the newer movies are about as polar as you can get. If you don't like either, maybe the problem lies at the source.
BlackSalad
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Falchion
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They can fight BT-1 and 0-0-0.
This is the spoiler thread bro!
But yes, I totally agree. But I'd extend that drab type of character building to everyone in the cast. It's as if this rag tag team had little conflict amongst themselves. Zero dynamics here. You don't know what they want, or what they aspire to, or really their position in this whole galactic war. Our heroine was a troublemaking loner, then a no holds barrel leader; at one moment she's untrusting, and then the next, she's a motivational speaker -- she was the most wildly inconsistent character.
I personally think this had the worst world-building of all the films.
If McGregor wants it I say give it to him. I don't know how you're going to justify pulling Obi-wan out of hiding for "one last job," but please, do it. The man deserves to be in a good Star Wars movie. (No, the decent parts of ROTS don't count)
Why?
Does Uncle George have that as a clause in the deal?
They can't redo I-III while he's alive?
Absolutely 0 people legitimately like anything George Lucas has done since 1990...with exception of selling of Star Wars to Disney...
BattleMonkey
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We have no idea what the movie was like before the reshoots
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