This has never, never been the case.
Pablo even said on Twitter that Rogue One would forever end the idea that Lucasfilm ignores the prequels. They are canon forever and they are just as important as the OT.
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This has never, never been the case.
Pablo even said on Twitter that Rogue One would forever end the idea that Lucasfilm ignores the prequels. They are canon forever and they are just as important as the OT.
Vincent Alexander
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Quote from Abrams:
So you can see where Ecotic is coming from. Abrams has said as much a few times. He dances around the prequels quite a bit in interviews....Again, this isn't the studio as a whole. But it still means a good deal from Abrams because of his role in 7-9.
They didn't know the Death Star, they just knew there was "a planet killer". Cassian got the hearsay message from that dude he killed at the beginning. They tapped Jyn because they needed more info.
Lol true.
I've seen people on Reddit and other forums trying to convince themselves that Vader is actually stationed on Sullust and that you can clearly see his eyebrows when he's pulled off the tank
Count Dookkake
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Even though his film references the prequels...
Killer Queen
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Man what a great movie. Ending was perfect and the final Vader scene had me smiling as soon as the hallway had gone dark.
he is talking about the changes to the story since the first trailer.
What? How does it fall into a narrative mess? They all died to get the plans off the planet. But the mission isn't really over until the plans are safely in the hands of someone who can bring them back to the alliance. Vader's assault just shows how desperate the Empire is to fix this blown up problem which they didn't expect.
Bobby Roberts
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We're not talking about the finished movie, we're talking about the deleted scenes that made up most of the marketing.
In multiple trailers, there's allusions to a version of the plot in which Jyn is a known Rebel already, the Rebellion knows what the Death Star is, and they're the ones who got Galen's message, not Saw. She goes to him to recruit him, not to flush him out.
Vincent Alexander
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Yeah. Kind of. Either way, just pointing out Ecotic isn't crazy. Though I am having a hard time thinking of many references...the Clone Wars are mentioned, but Obi-Wan mentions those in A New Hope. There are those flags outside Maz' place, but they were edited between trailer and theatrical cut to specifically remove a reference to the prequels/podracing. So I dunno.
Do you have a link to that tweet?
Clone Armies are mentioned, that concept was introduced in AoTC
Might have been because she survived the original cut?
I was kind of hoping that Vader lived on Korriban. That's probably not even a canon planet anymore, huh?
Count Dookkake
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Crazy enough to take as gospel anything said by an artist about their own work and crazy enough to think Disney would spend 4 billion and just toss out half the assets.
The first part is a common enough nistake, but it's that last bit that's the really funny part. Like really.
I'm a huge Star Wars fan and I... didn't like this film at all. I can't believe all the praise it's getting.
To me, the constant references to Episode IV felt ham-fisted and forced. Way too winky, like you can practically hear the film's creators whispering from the next seat, "Eh? Eh?? You loved this in the other movies, right?" It felt like a pastiche of Star Wars and not like Star Wars, which usually shows me something I've never seen in any of the other films.
And when it wasn't spoon-feeding me winky references, it was leaning heavily on tired action movie tropes. How many times does one movie need a scene of someone standing still with a peaceful look with their death imminent? Or someone cradling a dying person's head in their arms as they dramatically expire?
There are dozens of other aspects of this film big and small that I didn't like, but worst of all, this just didn't feel like a story that needed telling.
And yet, everyone's raving about it. I really don't get it.
To me, the constant references to Episode IV felt ham-fisted and forced. Way too winky, like you can practically hear the film's creators whispering from the next seat, "Eh? Eh?? You loved this in the other movies, right?" It felt like a pastiche of Star Wars and not like Star Wars, which usually shows me something I've never seen in any of the other films.
And when it wasn't spoon-feeding me winky references, it was leaning heavily on tired action movie tropes. How many times does one movie need a scene of someone standing still with a peaceful look with their death imminent? Or someone cradling a dying person's head in their arms as they dramatically expire?
There are dozens of other aspects of this film big and small that I didn't like, but worst of all, this just didn't feel like a story that needed telling.
And yet, everyone's raving about it. I really don't get it.
Okay, I recall that. Mon Mothma even spoke of a weapons test.
Practices bad one liners.
George Oscar Bluth II
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I'm very curious to see how many versions of this film there were and what was different.
Vincent Alexander
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No one is taking as gospel that the prequels don't exist. But yes, you are allowed to take as gospel what an artist says about his own work. Also, can you point to any references in The Force Awakens to the prequels? I'm honestly trying to think of some and can't. And you're nuts if you think what Abrams did, hardly acknowledging the prequels if at all, affects anything money-wise. Abrams didn't say he hates them. He didn't say they don't exist. He is just dancing around giving them a spotlight.
Bonen no Max'd
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I actually thought the ANH references were more restrained in this. The two dudes from the Cantina was super dumb and out of place, and Threepio and Artoo probably didn't need to show up (but at least now they're in every movie) but the other references mostly felt like just sort of naturally flowing into ANH. Like, I would have noticed (even if no one else would have lol) if Garven Dreis hadn't shown up in the space battle.
Vincent Alexander
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No one is having this discussion. Just pointing out that the crazy dogpile on the poster who mentioned the prequels wasn't completely off-base. He was wrong, but very understandable where he might have gotten his information considering Abrams stance (or lack of a firm stance) on the prequels. If there is a discussion at this point, it is on whether Abrams is ignoring the prequels. My opinion is that The Force Awakens, combined with Abram's words, seems to point to as such. And again, in my view ignoring doesn't mean saying they don't exist or aren't canon.
Killer Queen
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It leads directly into ANH, I can see that maybe having C3PO and R2D2 as a bit much but I thought that everything else was perfect.
A movie that's directly before another should have some connections and this felt entirely Star Wars OT to me, maybe even more so than TFA.
No story 'needs' to be told and I hate that argument since you can make it with just about any story.
But at the end of the day it was told and it was done fairly well imo. I didn't love everything about it, but I had a damn good time and i think it has the strongest final act of perhaps any of the films (though it's been a year since I watched the OT)
Cross-Section
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1) That's quite possible; the cut "floating TIE at the comm tower" shot may have been part of a sequence where she proceeded to jump in the thing and get off the planet before the DS nuked it.
2) It's still there, just renamed Moraband because George
George Oscar Bluth II
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Lucasfilm will most likely make a prequel-era 'Star Wars Story' film somewhere down the line. Lots of fans liked the settings and (some) concepts in those films and the TV show even if they hated everything else. Use what works.
Also the current trilogy probably won't reference the prequels all that much given that those events happened like 60 years prior.
Also the current trilogy probably won't reference the prequels all that much given that those events happened like 60 years prior.
Count Dookkake
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That's not "being dismissive for being dismissive," whatever that might mean. It's giving two reasons why the notion is pretty laughable. Artists are not in a court of law when they talk about their work in an interview and businesses are not in the habit of throwing away half of a $4 billion purchase.
Don't really have anything else to say about the matter, but it's nice of you to stick up for someone else's silly notion.
EDIT: Nice stealth fail.
Xisiqomelir
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Someone moved my post here from the box office thread.
It was only about
blue milk
Vincent Alexander
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Thanks! And yeah...there isn't much more to say because you haven't answered any easy (I thought) questions I had
Oh well. Back to Rogue One talk.Defensive much? Lordy. I rethought my words and "dismissive" wasn't what I wanted to get at. Next time I'll never have second thoughts! It's all right. You win. I resign. Krimey. lol
Kylo talks about a clone army being more reliable when Finn defects. And Ewan McGregor's Obi-Wan voice cameo. I think that is it.
Its clear though that leaning on the Star Wars people liked, and not the ones they hated, was intentional. But as things go on and people get back to being convinced on the quality of Star Wars, I bet we'll see more overt references to the prequels, and even movies and the like that aim to 'fix' parts of them. Considering this will be around the time those that grew up with the prequels hit their mid 20s, they'd be silly not to.
Bobby Roberts
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Looking at all the stuff from the marketing that isn't in the movie, I'm starting to think that maybe they really did more or less just do the whole fucking movie over this summer.
Which is probably why they bounced Desplat and brought in Giacchino. It's likely whatever Desplat came up with simply didn't fit anymore & Giacchino was available.
Jyn is a Rebel having her rap sheet read to her.
Everyone knows what the Death Star is before Jyn is sent to Jedha
She's apparently there to recruit Saw for the Rebellion & stop the weapons test.
Which means the Rebellion knew the Empire was going to blow up Jedha beforehand
The Eadu stuff could play more or less the same (except now they're going to extract Galen instead of kill him because Galen knows how to stop the Death Star maybe?)
The conversation between Vader & Krennic apparently happens on the Death Star (there's a line Vader delivers that is obviously meant to be in response to "The Powaaah that we are dealing with.." but is now responding to some other thing Krennic says.
The battle on Scarif goes down all sorts of different. Baze leads some sort of beach platoon instead of sticking with Chirrut (or maybe Chirrut dies sooner and this is part of his awakening?) Cassian, K2 & Jyn make it out of the tower with the plans, Krennic strolls onto the beach after most of the battle's already happened, that TIE fighter scene...
The marketing is selling a movie with a very different structure.
Which is probably why they bounced Desplat and brought in Giacchino. It's likely whatever Desplat came up with simply didn't fit anymore & Giacchino was available.
Jyn is a Rebel having her rap sheet read to her.
Everyone knows what the Death Star is before Jyn is sent to Jedha
She's apparently there to recruit Saw for the Rebellion & stop the weapons test.
Which means the Rebellion knew the Empire was going to blow up Jedha beforehand
The Eadu stuff could play more or less the same (except now they're going to extract Galen instead of kill him because Galen knows how to stop the Death Star maybe?)
The conversation between Vader & Krennic apparently happens on the Death Star (there's a line Vader delivers that is obviously meant to be in response to "The Powaaah that we are dealing with.." but is now responding to some other thing Krennic says.
The battle on Scarif goes down all sorts of different. Baze leads some sort of beach platoon instead of sticking with Chirrut (or maybe Chirrut dies sooner and this is part of his awakening?) Cassian, K2 & Jyn make it out of the tower with the plans, Krennic strolls onto the beach after most of the battle's already happened, that TIE fighter scene...
The marketing is selling a movie with a very different structure.
Pilgrimzero
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I thought the Imperial dude was played by Jeremy Irons....
Movie is very polarizing, pretty interesting. And I can't necessarily see a through line for the negatives, they seem to be coming from many directions.
Personally I just really liked the characters in the film. I see some people saying they weren't well developed, but they all came across very likable and sympathetic to me. I guess there was enough there for me to latch on to.
Personally I just really liked the characters in the film. I see some people saying they weren't well developed, but they all came across very likable and sympathetic to me. I guess there was enough there for me to latch on to.
Metalingus5150
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Was hoping Porkins would make a cameo.
HammerOfThor
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Oh man, Vader at the end. I had a grin ear to ear watching that.
Honestly, I'm surprised they haven't announced a Vader movie yet. He's such a recognizable figure in not just Star Wars but pop culture in general.
Honestly, I'm surprised they haven't announced a Vader movie yet. He's such a recognizable figure in not just Star Wars but pop culture in general.
We're not. My original post wasn't passing judgment on the decision to recognize the prequels, nor meant to be a big deal. It's just a small thought I remembered while reading the thread.
I didn't keep up with Disney's stance on the canonicity of the prequels and so it took me by genuine surprise, that's all.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
There were lookalikes for him & Biggs on the set. They apparently just didn't make final cut.
Killer Queen
Banned
I mean, I want it but at the same time I can see them being weary because, prequels.
Yeah, the 3PO and R2 scene was absurdly out of place, but there was more than that. The two wanted guys from Mos Eisley who just happened to do the same schtick they do to Luke. Stormtroopers chatting about a new weapon that just came out. Bail Organa describing Obi Wan almost word for word the way Leia's hologram later does, though the reference adds nothing to the story we're watching. And Bail himself emerges importantly from the shadows earlier on, like "Whoa, you know this guy!" even though he has no lines in that scene. There were a ton of things like those examples that to me felt so cheesily forced.
By "needed to be told" what I mean is that it doesn't feel essential to the canon. The details of how the Death Star plans came to be stolen don't feel consequential to the overall Star Wars story. I didn't mean it in a cosmic or real-world-importance sense.
Boogie9IGN
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Forgot to mention that K2S0 is the GOAT droid now
And I got so giddy seeing Vader's bachelor pad Bast Castle on Mustafar, been wanting to see it since some video game (one of the Force Unleashed titles?) level from years ago
And I got so giddy seeing Vader's bachelor pad Bast Castle on Mustafar, been wanting to see it since some video game (one of the Force Unleashed titles?) level from years ago
Count Dookkake
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Thanks! And yeah...there isn't much more to say because you haven't answered any easy (I thought) questions I had
Your questions weren't really relevant to what I was talking about as we've already established that the prequels are referenced in TFA. If you are interested in the exact degree to which they are, I'm sure the information is out there. I'm not wookiepedia. Sorry.
Now that's what I call trimming the fat!
Vincent Alexander
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I forgot about the Obi-Wan thing. Someone on here made a good point last night and were wondering if the CG for Leia and Tarkin means we can expect some CG Old Ben in 8 or 9. And yeah, I'm curious how much effort they'll put into trying to positively sway opinion on the prequels. Though I suppose that is what they're already attempting with the TV shows...that I need to get around to watching.
You're going to tell me they weren't relevant on the same page where I can take .5 seconds, scroll up, and see exactly how the discussion was all relevant....But it's all right. Another member answered the tough questions. No wookiepedia for me.
Razgriz-Specter
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Just give me that Obi-Wan movie, include Ahsoka somehow they can even kill her off fighting Vader again if they want.
When Jyn says "may the force be with you", that used to be in the beach and not on Yavin. I can't imagine she had her speech with the door open right before she went for the plans, so I wonder how this played out originally.
It kinda bums me out that we will never see what the hell the movie was before the re-shots. The movie came out great, so it was probably for the better, but it would still be cool to know what could've been.
It kinda bums me out that we will never see what the hell the movie was before the re-shots. The movie came out great, so it was probably for the better, but it would still be cool to know what could've been.
I dunno if there's much to read into the marketing though. Do we know for a fact that any of the lines in the trailers were actually in a script or represented a version of the film that was ever being made? There are production books out now right? Do they shed any light on that? Because otherwise, it could just be trailer editing. Doctor Strange had a hilarious line in the trailers where the Ancient One says she has been looking through time and all worlds for decades... looking for... "you". It made it sound like Strange was a special chosen one who she was seeking. The actual movie turned out to be totally different and that sequence of lines in the trailer were talking about something else entirely. It didn't even end the same way. But I don't think that trailer version of the "plot" was ever what the movie was...
Bobby Roberts
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You guys heard the weird (baseless and super-optimistic) speculation that Episode 8 is so ahead of schedule the big surprise is that they're going to move it back to May 26th (Thursday previews being the 40th anniversary of Star Wars) and nudge Pirates out of its spot?
People are pointing at John Williams' ridiculously early scoring schedule as some sort of proof.
People are pointing at John Williams' ridiculously early scoring schedule as some sort of proof.
Metalingus5150
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It was cool to see Red Leader and Gold Leader. I really liked that.
BrokenFiction
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This movie, more than any other SW film I think, would be fun to see with extra content in a Directors Cut.
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