Nah. The final raid on Scarif was pretty damn nerve-racking.
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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS
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TangoAlphaLima
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The One and Done;226808079 said:
Brahs, he was 64 in 1977. If he was alive today, he'd be 103!
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Why bother watching them if you don't enjoy them.
Back-In-Black
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What planet do you live on?
brandonh83
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I liked the character. I didn't like Natalie Portman. Like if the acting were actually good I would have really been into her.
Basically I can see that, at least for me, I like the character on a surface level but Portman's performance tanked it.
Killer Queen
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Naughty Dog has seemingly alleviated this issue judging by their tech demo for TLOU2
Mon Mothma is a weirder case because its the same actress that played the younger version of the character in RotS just having aged into playing the older version.
They did have a younger Tarkin in RotS but he looked kind of bad then and never actually spoke.
I don't think I found anything in this movie 'nerve-wracking' outside of Vader slaughtering Rebels and the space battles (which were cool).
Again, it boils down to me how we knew the characters would get the death star plans sent anyway. And there's no investment in the characters, so when they die, I'm like *shrug* oh well.
Exactly. Which is funny because you'd think that the characters' individual stories would've been interesting enough to where you'd feel something for them in their inevitable deaths. Movie had two jobs to accomplish with them: 1) get them to retrieve and send the plans and 2) make the audience care for them. They did 1, which ended up to making 2 harder i think.
TangoAlphaLima
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They didn't recast Mothma. It is the same actress they cast for her from Revenge of the Sith.
Okay, but that was a recast from the original RotJ actress, Caroline Blakiston, who would be way too old to play a younger version of Mon Mothma.
I guess they kept some continuity in a way.
Killer Queen
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I honestly want to know why anyone thought these characters would live and then suddenly disappear for 30 years.
Yes this is me too.
Padme's character works much better in the Clone Wars without Portman's performance
brandonh83
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Maybe it doesn't make sense. I'll backpedal a bit: I think the character would have been a lot better, even fine, if Natalie's acting weren't such dire shit. I don't really have a problem with how she was written or developed, just performed.
For sure. They gave her a lot more to do there, granted, but when I'm watching her in 1-3 I'm like, I want to like Padme, but dat acting...
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No they didn't, not enough so that it would have made a difference here. It would have looked exactly the same or worst.
She looks enough like the same person. Luke, Han, Leia, they all look a bit different by RotJ's time anyway.
They would have been hard pressed to find someone who looks like Cushing.
As a curiosity, what specifically do you like about Padme that you'd be willing to throw the blame for her deficiencies on an actress people generally regard highly?
Because a recurring thing for the prequels was having very good actors play characters who weren't great. At some point a pattern starts emerging and its not a bunch of well regarded actors suddenly deciding to phone it in.
If anything, I thought it was the actual actor from back then, with just some CGI work done. Like in Ant-Man.
Bobby Roberts
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Jenny Nicholson did a video on Padme once that I thought was a pretty decent breakdown on how Lucas & Hales absolutely fucking failed Portman as writers. They gave her zero.
That character is a hollow, mangled mess of an approximation of a person. It sucks. Leia's mom shouldn't have been that.
TarpitCarnivore
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Part of that is on the script, it was awful.
Killer Queen
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I guess we'll just agree to disagree then. I personally think it looked great and believable if we're going on the basis of facial expressions alone.
Gabriel_Logan
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Oh yeah I totally forgot Jimmy Smits showed up. Good to see him again?
DorkLord54
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I think part of it is the fact that Mon Mothma was a minor character in RotJ and isn't all that distinct looking, while Tarkin was the main antagonist of ANH and had a very distinct look to him. Dance would've been their best bet, but even then it still wouldn't seem right. Not to mention, in the case of both Leia and Tarkin, recasting would've seemed odd given that this is moments before the start of ANH.
Lifejumper
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I shouldnt have watched The Get Down before R1.
Threw me off when I saw Jimmy Smits.
brandonh83
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I'm going to save myself a lot of trouble by respectfully declining your request
If I were to make a solid case if even just on a personal level as to why I was fine with the character, no one's going to agree anyway. And it doesn't matter if they regard her highly. She won a fucking Oscar. I'm talking about her performance in these movies.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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There is no one that could make this scene anything less than total dogshit. The writing was atrocious
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtjfWvWowgM
im actually curious now about how disney will go forward because of him. him showing up is disney acknowledging the prequels.
BlastProcessing
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LoTR is fantasy and less gritty. Most importantly it exists inside of a tried and true archetypal framework. It has very easy to understand sides of good vs evil. There is a pervasive sense of hope and adventure. It's a part of the same Joseph Campbell combines mythos that powers most mainstream western stories. Children respond strongly to that stuff because it's safe territory.
Rogue One drifts away from that safe ground considerably.
DorkLord54
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I mean, same with Mon Mothma since, as others have said she's played by the smae person who played her in RotS.
They acknowledge the prequels every now and then.
It's not like they are ever going to be able to make them fully go away anyway.
brandonh83
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Yes there's bad dialogue in the prequels, more news at the top of the hour
I think Ewan is mostly great but even he has bad lines and a few bad deliveries here and there. Most of the lines would have been rough to act, but I thought Natalie was considerably worse than everyone else.
I also thought they were joking around with each other in that scene, at least that's what it's always felt like to me.
Its funny, the Latin dub actress I grew up with really does her best with the character so I never really understood the hate for Padme. It was only when I experienced Portman 's original performance that I noticed how much she sucked.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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You literally said you had no problem with how she was written
Ewan was indeed better (for whatever that's worth), but it helped he wasn't shoe-horned into a terrible love story
Dreams-Visions
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I didn't know he was CG either.
Bobby Roberts
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Star Wars is also fantasy. And I don't know that I'd agree that Rogue One is somehow more "gritty" than most of Fellowship of the Ring. Definitely not as much in Two Towers or Return of the King.
How are the concepts of good and evil so muddied in Rogue One? And where is the sharp divergence from Campbellian roots in Rogue One as opposed to Lord of the Rings? I'm not saying one didn't do it better than the other (because Fellowship is obviously a much better fim than Rogue One) but I'm not seeing how it is one is so wildly different, tonally, than the other.
You were initially arguing that you think legs would be bad because Rogue One isn't very family friendly. Neither was any Lord of the Rings movie. I'm pretty sure at least one of them almost got an R before cuts were made, if I remember right.
George Oscar Bluth II
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TangoAlphaLima
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She looks enough like the same person. Luke, Han, Leia, they all look a bit different by RotJ's time anyway.
They would have been hard pressed to find someone who looks like Cushing.
They do look really similar. Not perfect, but damn close.
I agree. Mon Mothma wasn't important enough to waste the resources on, but Leia and Tarkin were (especially given how distinctive-looking Peter Cushing was).
brandonh83
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There's more to writing than dialogue.
Why would they disappear?
Lifejumper
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LucasFilm was always acknowledging the prequels.
Showing Mustafar was an even bigger acknowledgement than Jimmy Smits showing up.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Yep, bur dialogue is a part of it, and as you concede, it's a problem. Soooo
You just saw a movie with Jimmy Smits as Bail Organa,a character from The Clone Wars TV show brought to life, Mustafar front and center as Vader's lair...
And you still think "Disney" is not acknowledging the prequels?
brandonh83
Banned
I give Rogue One bonus points for having Mustafar.
I deduct points from Return of the Jedi not having Mustafar and another Death Star instead.
I was wrong to say that I loved every single aspect of Padme Amidala.
Shit, wait, I didn't.
Bobby Roberts
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Padme is a very poorly written character no matter what dialog they put in Portman's mouth, and no matter how listlessly she let that dialog dribble back out.
Padme could have been mute and she still would have been a fundamentally broken character.
They did her dirty, and it's one of the biggest missed opportunities of Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith.
Padme could have been mute and she still would have been a fundamentally broken character.
They did her dirty, and it's one of the biggest missed opportunities of Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith.
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I took the scene the same way. Not a great scene by any means, but they seemed like they were having fun with each other at the end.Yes there's bad dialogue in the prequels, more news at the top of the hour
I think Ewan is mostly great but even he has bad lines and a few bad deliveries here and there. Most of the lines would have been rough to act, but I thought Natalie was considerably worse than everyone else.
I also thought they were joking around with each other in that scene, at least that's what it's always felt like to me.
I'm wondering if Lucasfilm is going to use this technique to bring Ehrenreich and Glover closer to Ford and Williams for the Han Solo solo film. I know they did a bit of de-aging clean up on Ford and Fisher for Force Awakens (which wasn't needed for me, but hey), and of course we got CG Cushing and young Fisher in this one.
The technology obviously isn't there yet for a full CG Harrison Ford model to take the lead role in his own movie, and the two actors obviously already look close to the characters they're trying to portray, but I can imagine Lucasfilm wanting to try and alter it slightly just to get that little bit closer.
I think the better solution would be to simply let Ehrenreich do his thing and play his version of Solo, even if it doesn't end up being 100% Harrison Ford. They'll never cross that border into it looking like reality in that time, especially since we're all so familiar with the original actors and the fact that they have aged.
I still don't now how I feel about them resurrecting Peter Cushing like this. From a plot perspective it was cool, and even though the effect immediately took me out of the movie (to the point where any scene with him was a bit hard to focus on for me), I do like the balls it must have taken to go ahead with that attempt. People often accuse Lucasfilm (or rather Disney for some reason) of taking the easiest route with these movies, but I don't see that at all. You could argue for that with the plot of TFA, but R1 takes a couple of twists that really are a bit of a gamble when it comes to a franchise this big - not the least of which killing off your entire cast. I honestly admire them a bit for that.
But yeah, philosophically I still feel incredibly uneasy about the whole thing, although I do know that the Cushing estate was consulted on this. I'm seeing surprisingly little discussion about it, because it was almost the first thing everyone in my group started talking about when we walked out of the theatre. That article about Robin Williams making some copyright assurances that they couldn't do it with his likeness after his death really got me in a weird way - especially because all he could do was make sure they couldn't do it for a set number of years. After that people would be free to throw a CG Williams in their movie. It's weirding me out a lot.
(about the movie itself: loved it, with all its flaws. I was never into the expanded universe but this felt like what the expanded universe at its best should feel like. I want more smaller scale one off stories about nobodies (relative to the Skywalkers and Kenobi's of that world). The market scene was magic, and really brought me back to the kinds of worlds I would imagine as a kid. It was quite striking).
The technology obviously isn't there yet for a full CG Harrison Ford model to take the lead role in his own movie, and the two actors obviously already look close to the characters they're trying to portray, but I can imagine Lucasfilm wanting to try and alter it slightly just to get that little bit closer.
I think the better solution would be to simply let Ehrenreich do his thing and play his version of Solo, even if it doesn't end up being 100% Harrison Ford. They'll never cross that border into it looking like reality in that time, especially since we're all so familiar with the original actors and the fact that they have aged.
I still don't now how I feel about them resurrecting Peter Cushing like this. From a plot perspective it was cool, and even though the effect immediately took me out of the movie (to the point where any scene with him was a bit hard to focus on for me), I do like the balls it must have taken to go ahead with that attempt. People often accuse Lucasfilm (or rather Disney for some reason) of taking the easiest route with these movies, but I don't see that at all. You could argue for that with the plot of TFA, but R1 takes a couple of twists that really are a bit of a gamble when it comes to a franchise this big - not the least of which killing off your entire cast. I honestly admire them a bit for that.
But yeah, philosophically I still feel incredibly uneasy about the whole thing, although I do know that the Cushing estate was consulted on this. I'm seeing surprisingly little discussion about it, because it was almost the first thing everyone in my group started talking about when we walked out of the theatre. That article about Robin Williams making some copyright assurances that they couldn't do it with his likeness after his death really got me in a weird way - especially because all he could do was make sure they couldn't do it for a set number of years. After that people would be free to throw a CG Williams in their movie. It's weirding me out a lot.
(about the movie itself: loved it, with all its flaws. I was never into the expanded universe but this felt like what the expanded universe at its best should feel like. I want more smaller scale one off stories about nobodies (relative to the Skywalkers and Kenobi's of that world). The market scene was magic, and really brought me back to the kinds of worlds I would imagine as a kid. It was quite striking).
Bobby Roberts
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TangoAlphaLima
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I don't get why seemingly every other planet the movie went to got its name listed on screen when it was shown, but Mustafar did not. I can see why people missed the connection to Episode III.
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