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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS
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Spectral Glider
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Love the beginning of Jedi and the Vader/Luke stuff is terrific, emperor too. But the meandering middle and a bored Solo do damage it.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I dunno about bloated but did anyone else notice the sashay to his hips when he was marching out to meet white suit dude?
I watched this yesterday and really enjoyed it. I am old enough to have seen all of the original Star Wars movies in theaters so I've liked this series all of my life. That said, I don't consider myself a Star Wars fangirl at all. I love the movies, had action figures when I was a kid (wish I had saved them but who knew) but haven't read any books and frankly didn't know what Rogue One was about before watching it yesterday.
The characters weren't really developed much but that didn't bother me. In hindsight I'm happy about this since none of them survived. The call-backs to the first movie worked for me. I teared up when they showed C3P0 and R2D2 and again later for something. The movie gave me all I wanted from Star Wars but frankly, if there is a SW movie, I'll always be there to watch it.
The characters weren't really developed much but that didn't bother me. In hindsight I'm happy about this since none of them survived. The call-backs to the first movie worked for me. I teared up when they showed C3P0 and R2D2 and again later for something. The movie gave me all I wanted from Star Wars but frankly, if there is a SW movie, I'll always be there to watch it.
sparky2112
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My bud took his 10 and 7 rear olds, and they loved it. Kind of hard to wrap my head around, given that everyone dies.
WadiumArcadium
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How did Zahn deviate from the norm? I'm not being facetious, I only read 20 pages or so (and I hated it).
TheChewyWaffles
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The characters are just expendable props in a money-making machine though. I took my 9 year old to see it, but I don't think watching paper thin characters die off-screen in a nuclear explosion is going to keep him up tonight.
bigwinnerx
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My daughters are 9 and 7.
They liked it. There are some tense parts, obviously. They liked K2SO, "The Blind Guy", Jyn ("little and old"), and seeing Leia.
My 7 year old said she liked seeing Vader at the end. So, I'll keep an eye on her growing up, I guess. Not going to take any shit, that one.
They liked it. There are some tense parts, obviously. They liked K2SO, "The Blind Guy", Jyn ("little and old"), and seeing Leia.
My 7 year old said she liked seeing Vader at the end. So, I'll keep an eye on her growing up, I guess. Not going to take any shit, that one.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
He basically took the characters, kept them mostly faithful, but dropped them into a more sci-fi setting. There were still fantasy elements, of course, but Heir to the Empire (and that whole trilogy, really) played Star Wars more towards the standard sci-fi fiction stuff.
He basically made it more political and talky, procedural/methodical than the happy-go-lucky broad-strokes fantasy stuff it was in the movies.
Killer Queen
Banned
It's a tough battle, but I still hate episode 1 more because every non-star wars fan loves it . "Bad?! what about that pod race!"
....that fucking pod race
Escape Goat
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JarJar died on the way back to his home planet.
Episode 2's romance scenes though. I despise them. And Anakin's acting.
sparky2112
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That made me laugh.
Wanted to throw it across the room around that same point. I bailed.
MisterHero
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Way way waaaaaaaaaaaay better than Ep 7.
Congrats to Gary Whitta for whatever contribution he had.
Congrats to Gary Whitta for whatever contribution he had.
CrichtonKicks
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I can see the parallel with Dark Horse and Dark Empire. Maybe because it always felt slightly adjacent to the OT yet also kind of off.
I don't see it with Zahn's work. I think Heir was such a major hit because it picked up the baton seamlessly and really just felt like Episode 7.
EDIT- just saw the reply above. I guess I can kind of see that. It has parallels to first half of Rogue One which was also talky/political. I could kind of feel my wife and kids checking out from the movie at that point and they all ate up TFA.
sparky2112
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Wow. Totally forgot that. WTF. I poo-pooed the massive reshoot rumors, and I have been proven wrong.
Killer Queen
Banned
But you're okay with:
Pod racing
All the acting in TPM
Darth Maul isn't a character
Pod racing
Kid Anakin
Introduction of Jar Jar
Stupid droid invasion
Literally everything in this movie outside of that one fight.
oh man...you brought some repressed memories back....
TFA is really a love/hate thing huh...you freaking love it or despise it
DorkLord54
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Oh, we're doing this. Le'go!
V>VII>VI>TCW (series)>IV*>RO>Rebels>I>III>TCW (movie)>>>>>>>>>>>>>II
* I'm a little younger than some of you guys, so ANH is a little dated to me, even compared to the rest of the OT.
V>VII>VI>TCW (series)>IV*>RO>Rebels>I>III>TCW (movie)>>>>>>>>>>>>>II
* I'm a little younger than some of you guys, so ANH is a little dated to me, even compared to the rest of the OT.
Pops Maellard
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I mean...yeah.
This aside, Rogue One is an intense war film in which every main character dies, somewhat brutally. At the risk of being way late to the party, it's the first time that (at least for me personally) a Star Wars film has actually felt like a real war.
Fellowship has its intense moments, but it's not nearly on the same level as the films that follow, and much more palatable than Rogue One from a violence and child appropriate perspective. Evil Bilbo aside.
Shadow Ranger
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Yeah, thought he looked odd too. His neck was pretty fat also. Was fine in the end sequence but the chit-chat scenes, he looked hunched and fat. Almost looked cosplay.
CG face of Tarkin was weird. Didn't think it was necessary or worth doing really. That, and when something like Kingsglaive can produce some stunning work (it has bad moments too), I reckon a big budget movie like SW should have done it even better.
I'm wondering if I saw the same movie as some posters here? I enjoyed it and it was a much better movie than I expected, infact it makes ANH an even better film by filling in alot of the blanks and giving Vader a reason to seem as pissed he is at the beginning of that film. The CGI Tarkin, Leia and Gold/Red leader did not bother me either as it creates a directcontinuity between this and ANH. You also can't have a film about the Death Star without including Tarkin.
In addition I am glad we can finally say that Rey's parents were not character's in Rogue One.
In addition I am glad we can finally say that Rey's parents were not character's in Rogue One.
bigwinnerx
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I will say, maybe the one real criticism I have is character names.
Character names are certainly said. Maybe even a couple times each. But, in the theater you hear "Saw" or "Chirrut" or "Cassian" or "Captain Endor" (wait, "Andor") or "Lyra" 1) they're hard to register as names since they're Star Wars names and 2) there are just so many bloody characters. So you end up saying the Robot Guy or the Blind Guy or The Pilot or whatever. That doesn't lend to attachment to the characters.
Character names are certainly said. Maybe even a couple times each. But, in the theater you hear "Saw" or "Chirrut" or "Cassian" or "Captain Endor" (wait, "Andor") or "Lyra" 1) they're hard to register as names since they're Star Wars names and 2) there are just so many bloody characters. So you end up saying the Robot Guy or the Blind Guy or The Pilot or whatever. That doesn't lend to attachment to the characters.
Gabriel_Logan
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Donnie Yen's delivery of Iamonewithforceisonetheforceiswithme, repeated over and over again was really bad. Why did the director allow that?
I'm not okay with them, lol. To be fair it aged better than Episode 2 and is a bit more entertaining to watch despite having a lot of flaws. Episode 2's 1st hour and a half is tough to get through and is often boring, though it has it's moments here and there. Plus some things felt rushed towards the end.
"Hey we made a hella cool looking character design, total badass! Let's have him killed as fast as possible!"
HomerSimpson-Man
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This is pretty good list
I'm pretty sure he was supposed to look like a knucklehead loon. That was kind of his thing. Is he actually a Jedi-esque force boy or just a sonar-having empath with delusions of grandeur.
Still believe ANH is greatness tier, just in a different way than ESB. They were both greatness for what they were trying to achieve.
Biggest takeaway I got from R1 is that SW now has free reign to make a variety of genres within the SW universe. The stories should be varied instead of going the Marvel route and delivering the same annual experience with a slightly different flavor.
Exciting times ahead.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Yeah, I understand (and agree with) some of the criticisms of Zahn's Trilogy, but it's hard to argue against both it and Dark Empire effectively launching the EU. Kinda opened up the storytelling possibilities. Not that those possibilities were realized very often, or effectively in the decades that followed. But they definitely changed people's thinking a bit, and laid the very necessary groundwork.
Killer Queen
Banned
Like, at the very least AOTC adds to the world, advances Anakins change and story and does something
There is no reason for TPM to exist as anything more than a flashback.
Move TFA to S'alright tier and it's spot on.
Krennec makes it hard to call this one a "war movie". Top-level officers fucking climbing towers and getting into firefights isn't what war movies do. Dude was too personally involved. That one quick cut to Tarkin on the bridge right before the Death Star blows up in ANH is a way better end than Krennec had. Icons of the Empire gotta get killed by hubris, not because their reflexes are bad.
harriet the spy
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Someone will have to explain one day why dark empire is so appreciated. It's probably one of the worst things I have ever read.
Sanctuary
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No they didn't, not enough so that it would have made a difference here. It would have looked exactly the same or worst.
She looks enough like the same person. Luke, Han, Leia, they all look a bit different by RotJ's time anyway.
They would have been hard pressed to find someone who looks like Cushing.
Honestly, the only similarities these two share somewhat are the nose and chin. Almost everything else is different, and the hair doesn't count, because anyone could have had their hair cut and dyed to match, or just worn a wig.
i know i give ep 3 slack but not seeing how 3 and 6 are even remotely close in quality
say what you will about the ewoks and the stuff in the hutt palace being too drawn out, but ep 6 i felt hit some great high notes with luke breaking away from han and leia to confront the emperor and vader. i even bought the attack on the second death star since it felt more like a trap (because it kinda was) with this huge onslaught of imperials.
say what you will about the ewoks and the stuff in the hutt palace being too drawn out, but ep 6 i felt hit some great high notes with luke breaking away from han and leia to confront the emperor and vader. i even bought the attack on the second death star since it felt more like a trap (because it kinda was) with this huge onslaught of imperials.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I think it's primarily the art, which is really, really good.
Because I've always thought that story was ass, myself.
It's a Star War movie, not a real war movie. Darth Vader will personally join the dogfight and call off his wing mates to get shit done himself.
And I would still say hubris did Krennec in anyways. He was so wanting to be the Emperor's best guy that he flew to Scarif to try and get shit done himself, and his own fucking battlestation did him in, piloted by the asshole he wanted to supersede no less.
Gabriel_Logan
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I liked Krennec's actor a lot, but I would have preferred to have him and Tarkin's character merged and just have Tarkin even with the spotty CGI.
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