Razgriz-Specter
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If it was Gundam we would have been graced with an actual "toy".
Im still waiting on The Ghost and Sabine's Tie-Fighter in addition to the prototype B-Wing, Hasbro....
Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS
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If it was Gundam we would have been graced with an actual "toy".
Im still waiting on The Ghost and Sabine's Tie-Fighter in addition to the prototype B-Wing, Hasbro....
Cross-Section
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And another question that Rebels will probably answer:
Where was Thrawn during all of this?
Where was Thrawn during all of this?
Why wonder. The differences in the trailers and the actual product is clear.
I think the worst mishandling of their changes is what they were forced to do with Saw.
He confronts Jyn asking her what would she do it captured and tortured. He further asks her what she would become to adapt.
Coming from a character like Saw it's obvious that the original intent of his character was to show the differences in how he has been changed by fighting the Empire compared to Jyn.
I would bet Saw died off much later than he did now. I would also bet all the changes to the original ending also forced changes in making Saw less of a character when first introduced.
I am intensely curious about the original storyline. The first trailers certainly hint at a lot of changes, some of them big. If we're extremely lucky, maybe there will actually be some stuff on the home release. I'm not counting on it, though. I'm still dying to find out what was in George Lucas' outline for the new trilogy and Michael Arndt's original script.
Plotting while admiring fine art I assume.
He wasn't supposed to look the same, though. For one, he would have looked different just due to age (the movies take place 23 years apart). And for another thing, his disfigurement occurs during the course of Revenge of the Sith. The wounds are still swollen and fresh.
Plotting while admiring fine art I assume.
Proportion-wise, he looked more like the Emperor in the Phantom Menace, without any make-up.
With McDiarmid's natural ageing over the two decades since RotJ, they only needed subtle prosthetics (and mainly to give him that bulbous brow) to make him look like the 1983 Emperor. The original prosthetics had a flaky, textured quality and sat flatter on his face:
Versus the bloated rubbery mask in RotS:
He wasn't supposed to look the same, though. For one, he would have looked different just due to age (the movies take place 23 years apart). And for another thing, his disfigurement occurs during the course of Revenge of the Sith. The wounds are still swollen and fresh.
It also doesn't help that I'm pretty sure Lucas changed the explanation for the Emperor's appearance multiple times over the years leading up to that. Shit, it changed during the prequel trilogy
and then somewhere along the way they decided to make the jedi into ninjas :\
The Jedi were always Asian inspired. Star Wars has always been a fusion of east and west.
Luke was doing back flips and Force jumps in the OT, people just don't remember it.
Jest Chillin
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Sort of. It takes inspiration from a lot of things, really, and as time went on it blended in more and more varied cultural elements.
I was thinking the same thing. Rogue One at first has some guerrilla elements of 08th MS Team and later the intensity of 0083's last battle (tho to be fair the race-against-time thing is in every Star Wars film that has a superweapon).
That moment gave me PTSD flashbacks of when Diablo called the jerkoffs of his team "family" in Suicide Squad. My eyes could only roll back so much.
I thought it would be less cringey if Cassian say "Welcome to the family" to Jyn after they join up for the final mission rather than "Welcome home." Yeah it would still be unearned like the above, but at least it flows better since the previous line Jyn was talking about how she was not used to people being there when it counts. Also Jyn just lost her own family, and now she and Cassian share the same loss, which is mitigated by having the Rebels as their new family. And it gives some context for Baze's sister line.
I was thinking the Solo film would be more like Firefly, with him on his smuggling adventures, and the Empire would be the assholes that come up now and again like the Alliance.
Bobby Roberts
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Crazy is a good word for that opinion, sure.
Rey catching the saber? All-time Star Wars moment. Top 3.
Rogue One's final half-hour? The best all-time climax in all of Star Wars.
Rey catching the saber? All-time Star Wars moment. Top 3.
Rogue One's final half-hour? The best all-time climax in all of Star Wars.
Opinions are fine.
There is still no attachment to any character in Rogue One. The characters from past, the buildup, and crossover of the new characters were able to make TFA satisfying.
I think ROTJ is a good comparison, but not for Rogue One.
There is still no attachment to any character in Rogue One. The characters from past, the buildup, and crossover of the new characters were able to make TFA satisfying.
I think ROTJ is a good comparison, but not for Rogue One.
I hate the shot when she actually ignites it though. Something looks off there and I'm not sure what it is.
FunkyPajamas
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Just came back from the cinema and I loved it. Might be my favorite Star Wars movie, and I grew up with the original trilogy.
Barkley's Justice
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Saw it a second time. I think it's such a great addition to the Star Wars universe. So many times I was watching things happening on the screen thinking to myself, "this is so f'n cool."
Picked up the art book as well. The cinematography and the props and the world-building are a marvel.
Picked up the art book as well. The cinematography and the props and the world-building are a marvel.
I loved it. Loved that it was essentially a "men (and women) on a sacrificial mission" war movie set in the Star Wars universe. Couldn't care less about 'thin characters' or any of those complaints. Think it intelligently added to canon, gave us some fun Easter eggs, fixed a glaring New Hope plot hole AND gave us action that both felt fresh and was still uniquely Star Wars.
They both have the best space battles in the series.
CrichtonKicks
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Maybe if Lucasfilm ever lets Rinzler's Making of TFA release we'll find out.
So what's the current canon explanation on this now?
That's the kind of thing that feels like honeymoon period talking. I would put the climax of every movie in the OT ahead of R1's finale, as good as it was.
Empire's cloud city duel is still maybe my favorite single sequence in all of Star Wars. ROTJ's 3 way saber-space fight-ground battle is amazing. Plus the Trench Run is pretty much an all time classic, iconic moment in all of cinema even if it has become diluted over the years.
And, for me, TFA's climax had higher highs than R1's even it wasn't as sustained.
Razgriz-Specter
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I will take the heat and flat out say,
is one of my absolute favorite things in the franchise aesthetically.
Heck that might apply to Naboo overall as it really has a fantasy feeling.
The basic setting also is reminiscent of how most of the OVAs are set during the One Year War.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Okay something really has bugged me for a long fucking time.
What was the purpose of that valve in the archive that rapidly and sharply opened and closed? Why make it human sized and if humans were supposed to be able to climb through why is it operating at an interval? Did they invent this kind of technology just for the archive, at least I don't remember any other valve of this kind in the OT or TFA? Why only one?
The PT had some aspects that felt very video gamey like that and they were horrible.
What was the purpose of that valve in the archive that rapidly and sharply opened and closed? Why make it human sized and if humans were supposed to be able to climb through why is it operating at an interval? Did they invent this kind of technology just for the archive, at least I don't remember any other valve of this kind in the OT or TFA? Why only one?
The PT had some aspects that felt very video gamey like that and they were horrible.
Jest Chillin
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Based on absolutely nothing at all, I'd guess some kind of climate control and that it's that large for maintentence.
Real reason is probably just because the writers wanted one last risky thing before she got to the top.
Scares away space rodents when nobody's operating there. There was an off switch but K2-SO broke it.
I have no clue.
Jack Scofield
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I don't know why but I just assumed that it was malfunctioning. Want this happening during the attack on Scarif?
Bobby Roberts
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Fuck a honeymoon. I'm too old at this point. I know what I think.
Is there a nickname for "I don't wanna acknowledge the obvious because I put too much credit in false concepts like "too soon?"
The prequels have amazing designs.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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It felt so out of place to me and it made it obvious the writers were going to throw one small hurdle after the other in her way. None too difficult to overcome or actually risky, just enough to keep the audience on edge.
Oh Galaxy Quest.
that's actually the most reasonable explanation I've seen.
Seductivpancakes
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Has this thread discussed how easy it was to destroy the AT-ATs in R1? Meanwhile Battle of Hoth, they struggled even tho they had X-Wings at the base.
Newer AT-ATs at Hoth?
Being discriminated against.
Newer AT-ATs at Hoth?
Being discriminated against.
They're AT-ACTs on Scarif, which are for cargo transport. They're not armored like AT-ATs.
Cross-Section
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Yeah, Krennic in particular strikes me as a guy who wouldn't have any dirty aliens threatening to steal his glory.
In any case, I'm willing to bet that by the time of R1 (Rebels speculation)
Thrawn is either dead or far-enough removed from events (like Unknown Regions-amounts of removed) to not even have a chance of being connected to the events of Rogue One or the Original Trilogy.
Seductivpancakes
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Ah. So they just made up a new model so it can be exploded easily for cool battle scene. I am okay with this. Felt the hype when they made that first past.
bishopcruz
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What did they do?
CrichtonKicks
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Uh, what does that mean? I don't follow.
I genuinely believe the finales to Eps 4-6 were better than Rogue One's finale. Are you trying to say that I think otherwise?
Bobby Roberts
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I'm fucking with you. You suggested my opinion was due to some sort of "honeymoon period" I was in thrall to, so I made a joke about some unnamed opposite phenomena that you must be operating under in turn, as it must be the only reason you could possibly disagree with the great and powerful me.
And now that I've autopsied that joke...
They got caught being publicly sexist and awful as opposed to just hinting at it like they've been doing the last 2-3 years, and so I gave em shit for it, and then other people gave em shit for it, and then a bunch of people in the entertainment press started pulling direct quotes and got horrified that the hosts of the biggest Star Wars podcast on iTunes were old, crusty, mean-spirited, sexist gatekeeping assholes, and apparently always had been.
There was an exhibit at the Denver art museum recently that had the costumes of Star Wars. Padme's costumes made up around a third of the ones on display, and deservedly so.
Yep.
Also, the Rebels didn't use X-Wings in the ground battle at Hoth because they were protecting the fleeing ships.
Seductivpancakes
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Assuming they could have easily knocked them out like they did R1, knocking them out quickly would probably give them more breathing room for an evacuation.
Since they're not the same kind of AT-ATs, it would have just probably be a time waster.
They didn't use X-wings at Hoth, only the modified civilian speeders juryrigged for combat.
CrichtonKicks
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Ah, got it. I still can't believe that anyone would rate it over Empire's finale. Having two of the most quotable lines ever ("I am your father" and "I love you/I know") puts it above it even without the greatness of the Luke/Vader saber battle.
I will say that blockbusters recently have consistently had merely OK finales so Rogue One's finale is certainly one of the strongest final acts in a major movie in quite some time.
Not sure that really works. There was still a surplus of X-Wings hanging around for Luke and the other speeder pilots to jump into.
Rogue One's finale was absolutely better than Episode 4's IMO (nostalgia notwithstanding). 5 was a cliffhanger (post the Luke/Darth duel) and 6 was another Luke/Darth duel AND blowing up another Death Star.
Having said that I love them all dearly.
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CrichtonKicks
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I don't really think it's fair to discount Episode 4's finale due to nostalgia. Yeah it's so familiar now that it's lost a lot of impact but that's only because it was so incredible at the time that it became iconic. If you are young enough to experience it near release then it had a whole different effect.
Same with Empire's finale.
Concerning final acts, I think the attack on the Death Star and in particular the Trench Run is much tighter than the final act of RO. The attack on the Death Star is simpler, only one set piece instead of cutting back and forth and the progress of the battle is always clear. The editing is great and you can instinctively interpret the different phases of the battle: the initial approach, the Y-Wing trench run, Vader entering the battle, the first X-Wing trench run, and Luke's final run. The tension amps up step by step and the editing and the music are working in lock step.
For me that's the most exciting of all Star Wars final battles. ESB has greater emotional weight with Luke's lightsaber battle, Vader's revelation, and Leia and company's attempt to save Han then escape the empire. ROTJ has less emotional weight (despite the Luke and Vader duel) but a larger scale with the awesome space battle and some more childish fun with the ewok forest battle.
For me that's the most exciting of all Star Wars final battles. ESB has greater emotional weight with Luke's lightsaber battle, Vader's revelation, and Leia and company's attempt to save Han then escape the empire. ROTJ has less emotional weight (despite the Luke and Vader duel) but a larger scale with the awesome space battle and some more childish fun with the ewok forest battle.
Saw for a third time with some friends today, I can safely say this is one of the top 3 Star Wars movies ever. The action, the political allegory, the little character beats, the final battle, the way it all connects to ANH so perfectly, it's like a fan's dream. It's not ANH/Empire level, but goddamn I love this movie.
It's last half hour is real good but I still didn't give a shit about any of the characters. Awful characterization is becoming a trend with Gareth Edwards films.
I'd still probably rank it as the best climax in SW history just for the sheer amount of shit going on but TFA had me more emotionally invested in everything.
Rogue One easily has the best characters of any Gareth Edwards movie though. I wanted to strangle the protagonists by the end of Monsters.
Captin Quacker
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jeezz this movie had tons of references to clone wars and rebels
MCU take fuckin notes
MCU take fuckin notes
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