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[greenhadoken]

So if it's such an issue then why don't you just rent your games? There is absolutely no way that you're selling these games and getting the exact same amount of money that you paid into it.

Maybe you should get your FOMO under control. Waiting a few weeks isn't going to kill you.

I feel like your last comment is a little bit ridiculous. Of course he can wait or I can wait without dying. I guess I think about this like going to the movies. Sure, I could've waited 2 weeks to see Rogue One, but I'd then also have to avoid spoilers for two weeks, I'd be left out of conversation with my friends for two weeks, I'd be going by myself because everyone has already seen it, etc. But if I waited, I'd still be paying the same price so there's no point in waiting. With games, it's this toss-up. You either pay to be part of the conversation, part of peak online numbers, to be in on the action, or you wait and buy it cheaper and miss out on all of that. For me, I like to be part of the conversation, and I like knowing there's no reason to wait because it's not going to be half price in two weeks. But that's just me, and probably how OP feels, different strokes for different folks

 

[CrazyHal]

I swear, the lenght at which people go to defend nintendo.

Nintendo is a corporation like any other. They do what they do first and foremost for money. That whole family friendly image that they have? Nothing more than a facade. They could not care less whether we lived or died.

 

[ViolentP]

Depends on how long you're waiting. If you're reselling via ebay and craigslist you'll take less of a loss but places like gamestop gives you like less then 15 dollars for mgsv+fallout 4+battlefront combined. 3 aaa titles from last fall. on the other hand you can get 75 dollars for smash+mk8+ splatoon. throw in the 50% extra promo going on right now and you're looking at 113ish dollars. For the 3 non nintendo aaa games I listed earlier you'd get like $22. And that's only after 1 year.

I spent around $60 total for battlefront, fallout 4, and mgsv. I could sell those three as a single lot for close to $60. That's almost a 100% return. With the 50% promo, you're still further away from that return than I am. And that's not yet considering the fact that my initial investment was 1/3 of yours.

 

[Sumio Mondo]

And people who don't support Nintendo's policy are sucking up to the other corporations policies.

I support Nintendo when I buy their games if they interest me, not because it's an "investment". I have no Nintendo stock and Nintendo aren't going anywhere, anytime soon, so why does it matter so much? Just buy the games you want, no need to make a fuss over whatever other people's buying habits are, either. I'm the type that tends to go more for the middle market games (Japanese handheld games, smaller Japanese game publishers etc) than for the AAA market (think Deus Ex might have been my only day 1 purchase this year that qualified as "AAA". Oh and Dark Souls 3, I guess). Nintendo are not above and beyond practices you are thinking of, if you think so, you really are delusional. You're just a number on a graph to Nintendo. That's it. A bloody number.

 

[walking fiend]

I swear, the lenght at which people go to defend nintendo.

Nintendo is a corporation like any other. They do what they do first and foremost for money. That whole family friendly image that they have? Nothing more than a facade. They could not care less whether we lived or died.

What has it got to do with the argument though? Of course every company sets their policies to make more money, that is how the whole world works. It just happens that I like their money-making policy more than the money-making policy of other companies.

It is so disappointing to see people just barge in and contribute "nothing" to the discussion. Don't you have anything better to say, is that the extent of your logical reasoning? Calling a person a corporate apologist, just cause you feel like it? I mean, 'family friendly image'? What has 'that' got to do with their pricing policy and this thread? Stop padding the thread with your useless contributions, please.

 

[blankempathy]

I spent around $60 total for battlefront, fallout 4, and mgsv. I could sell those three as a single lot for close to $60. That's almost a 100% return. With the 50% promo, you're still further away from that return than I am. And that's not yet considering the fact that my initial investment was 1/3 of yours.

I'm assuming you're going to try to resell them on eBay? Yeah you can sell nintendo games there too and make back close to full price as well.

 

[MrNelson]

Posting gifs doesn't make your argument any more valid. You don't pay higher prices as an early adopter when you buy Nintendo games. Video games are more or less the same price at launch regardless of the publisher. The only difference is that Nintendo games retain their value even post launch, while almost no other games do.

But your argument doesn't hold true with all Nintendo games. You mentioned selling the original Pikmin, which retailed for $50. The going price on eBay is around $20, which is nowhere near "more or less the same price at launch". Melee only retains its value because of the tournament scene, whereas Brawl is going for about $20, $40 less than retail.

Trying to find games that will "retain their value" is a crapshoot. There is no way you will really know if that holds true until it actually happens years down the line, and even then, there are far more non-Nintendo published games that retain or exceed their original value.

 

[Sword Of Doom]

I absolutely see nothing wrong with what the OP said. Call it Stockholm Syndrome all you want.

I like being able to sell a game I bought a year ago for a reasonable price.

Or you can buy games cheap and not worry about selling them. There's a balance and Nintendo is at one extreme end of it. It hurts them in the long run because I'm still waiting for prices for games from 4-5 years ago to drop before buying them

 

[geordiemp]

That is not true; if it was artificially inflated, you wouldn't be able to sell your games at the price that Nintendo sets. However, since usually there is actual demand for Nintendo games, you can sell your used copies at a high price. (and of course, the whole value of any kind of artistic product is somewhat artificial/subjective)

Actual demand - WiiU and games were in high demand ? Since when ?

If EA sells a game week 1 to a store for £ 40, the shop sells it for £ 60.

If after a month EA decide to cut the wholesale price to £ 10, shop sells it for £ 20.

Nintendo does not seem to want to cut the whole sale price much, even if nobody buys or cares much for the console or games at that time. Its a strange stubbornness which is normally kept for massive hits (like GTA pricing).

I think Niintendo pricing, bar some miracle blue ocean must have gimmick, will drive away allot of normal gamers who dont want to spend the levels Nintendo enthusiasts do. But its their business so who cares ?

 

[Chindogg]

A lot of people are misinterpreting what 'value' actually is.

Value is set by the creator of a product then modified according to the market. If the market values it less, and the company agrees it's value is reduced due to lacking sales, the price will drop. Obviously there's enough people still buying Nintendo games at these prices if they continue to hold after so long. Gaming doesn't always have to be a race to the bottom for prices just because it's expected now.

What's more disturbing is the amount of people in this thread just blasting folks for believing that a company's games hold more value than they do. That's not your right to tell others how to spend their money. It doesn't affect you, so knock that shit off. Don't like the price? Don't buy it. Plain and simple.

 

[UserDoesNotExist]

I swear, the lenght at which people go to defend nintendo.

Nintendo is a corporation like any other. They do what they do first and foremost for money. That whole family friendly image that they have? Nothing more than a facade. They could not care less whether we lived or died.

As my latest newsletter proves, Nintendo is totally, like, the next Raytheon, man. The Switch is at least as powerful as, like, 2 PS2s taped together, so it, like, has the computational power to launch nuclear missiles. WAKE UP GAFFLE!

 

[MrNelson]

I feel like your last comment is a little bit ridiculous. Of course he can wait or I can wait without dying. I guess I think about this like going to the movies. Sure, I could've waited 2 weeks to see Rogue One, but I'd then also have to avoid spoilers for two weeks, I'd be left out of conversation with my friends for two weeks, I'd be going by myself because everyone has already seen it, etc. But if I waited, I'd still be paying the same price so there's no point in waiting. With games, it's this toss-up. You either pay to be part of the conversation, part of peak online numbers, to be in on the action, or you wait and buy it cheaper and miss out on all of that. For me, I like to be part of the conversation, and I like knowing there's no reason to wait because it's not going to be half price in two weeks. But that's just me, and probably how OP feels, different strokes for different folks

But a few weeks isn't going to make that much of a difference in the terms of video games. Avoiding spoilers is not difficult, you can still talk to your friends about it once you play, and the online population isn't going to evaporate over the course of a few weeks except in very rare instances. People are still playing old CoDs. People are still playing old Battlefields. I picked up Battlefront last week and there are still tens of thousands of people playing at any given moment. You can go pick up BF1, CoD:IW, FH3, or Overwatch and the only difference between getting them at launch and now is that there are people ahead of you in level. You're not missing out as hard as you think you are when you wait a few weeks.

 

[Toxi]

As my latest newsletter proves, Nintendo is totally, like, the next Raytheon, man. The Switch is at least as powerful as, like, 2 PS2s taped together, so it, like, has the computational power to launch nuclear missiles. WAKE UP GAFFLE!

I'm not sure how this response follows from that post.

 

[ChryZ]

When you make the best games on the planet like Nintendo does, and they sell well there's no reason to lower the price.

I agree and think they should actually raise their prices. The Switch being portable and stationary, it's more than justified to double the prices of its software.

 

[Fdkn]

Having substantially less games available than every other platform means retailers don't have to get rid of stock of old games to put new games in there, because there are barely a couple of games released every month. And when their stock end, unless the game is called Mario or Pokemon, it's gone for good because Nintendo is not really interested on reprinting, as that could improve their userbase, something they obviously don't want, as seen with the WiiU.

That's totally proconsumer, because when a new customer may have interest in a playing the old catalogue of Nintendo games, he needs to pay abusive scalper prizes or go in a quest to find a game around the city he lives on. And if he's that type of guy that just doesn't live in a city, well, there's always ebay, the most loved place in the world.

I hope OP invested in a ton of Metroid Other M, Codename Steam and Star Fox Zero copies. That Nintendo Seal of Quality surely worked with them

 

[Joni]

I don't experiment with $60 purchases. I buy safe, standard stuff. For lower prices I will buy completely random stuff that I might hate or I might love. I own some of the most random games. But the Nintendo games I own are only the big sequels because it is harder to buy their experiments.

 

[eizarus]

And people who don't support Nintendo's policy are sucking up to the other corporations policies.

I get your point OP (been following this thread since the first post) but paying close to full price for a game that's been out for years because Nintendo impose a fixed price rather than it genuinely retaining its value is a load of BS and anticonsumer considering it's natural for things to decrease in value, especially after successors are released.

 

[greenhadoken]

But a few weeks isn't going to make that much of a difference in the terms of video games. Avoiding spoilers is not difficult, you can still talk to your friends about it once you play, and the online population isn't going to evaporate over the course of a few weeks except in very rare instances. People are still playing old CoDs. People are still playing old Battlefields. I picked up Battlefront last week and there are still tens of thousands of people playing at any given moment. You can go pick up BF1, CoD:IW, FH3, or Overwatch and the only difference between getting them at launch and now is that there are people ahead of you in level. You're not missing out as hard as you think you are when you wait a few weeks.

Agree to disagree. I am by no means an online gamer, I just threw in the online population comment because I assumed it would be true, which I guess it's not. As an example, I am hyped beyond belief for the new Zelda, and I want to be in the convo on day one. I wanna be in the OT, talking to all my friends, etc. For real big releases, my buds and I all get together and play these games, that's all part of the fun for me. I'll definitely feel like I'm missing out if I don't get it on release, but I know I won't be burnt on price in a month. But, trust me, I also know the pain of waiting for Nintendo to lower price. As another Zelda example, I really want the HD Twilight Princess but that shit is only $5 cheaper on Amazon than release, so I will continue to wait for some sort of sale.

 

[geordiemp]

If the market values it less, and the company agrees it's value is reduced due to lacking sales, the price will drop.

Obviously there's enough people still buying Nintendo games at these prices if they continue to hold after so long. Gaming doesn't always have to be a race to the bottom for prices just because it's expected now.

What's more disturbing is the amount of people in this thread just blasting folks for believing that a company's games hold more value than they do. That's not your right to tell others how to spend their money. It doesn't affect you, so knock that shit off. Don't like the price? Don't buy it. Plain and simple.

Did you not read any of the NPD Or PAL threads and WiiU ? Lack of sales, the price did not drop. Here in UK I never even saw a WiiU in shops, most did not even stock it.

Who were buying all the WiiU games and consoles to keep prices high, especially here in UK ?

Nintendo set the whole sale price of their goods to the shops, they keep it high whether the stuff sells or nobody gives a shit. Its their business decision, fair enough they can charge what they want its their goods....... it has fuck all to do with perceived value.

God, makes you wonder if people actually believe shops have control over the price of whole sale goods.

 

[Toxi]

I agree and think they should actually raise their prices. The Switch being portable and stationary, it's more than justified to double the prices of its software.

I can't tell the difference between what's satire and what's not anymore.

 

[walking fiend]

Actual demand - WiiU and games were in high demand ? Since when ?

If EA sells a game week 1 to a store for £ 40, the shop sells it for £ 60.

If after a month EA decide to cut the wholesale price to £ 10, shop sells it for £ 20.

Nintendo does not seem to want to cut the whole sale price much, even if nobody buys or cares much for the console or games at that time. Its a strange stubbornness which is normally kept for massive hits (like GTA pricing).

I think Niintendo pricing, bar some miracle blue ocean must have gimmick, will drive away allot of normal gamers who dont want to spend the levels Nintendo enthusiasts do. But its their business so who cares ?

They are in demand if you can sell them. If you have a copy of say Xenoblade, or Splatoon or MK7, or whatever, you can sell it at almost what you paid for it. That is what I care for. I know Nintendo is artificially maintaining the supply for these games (by not reducing their price), but the outcome is that for the current available supply, there is demand for used games sold at nearly the retail price. I don't know and it is not important to my discussion whether this policy is best for Nintendo themselves or not.

I get your point OP (been following this thread since the first post) but paying close to full price for a game that's been out for years because Nintendo impose a fixed price rather than it genuinely retaining its value is a load of BS and anticonsumer considering it's natural for things to decrease in value, especially after successors are released.

True to some extent (I agree that price fixing can be anti-consumer, but only to some consumer; in this case, it works for me), but how can we determine the 'genuine' value of a product? There is really nothing as a genuine value for a product which basically costs nothing to produce. There is only supply and demand, and that is it.

 

[Foxxsoxx]

Stockholm Syndrome: Nintendo Edition

Literally my first thought.

 

[Exodust]

Bending over for your corporate overlords is not a good look, OP.

 

[walking fiend]

Bending over for your corporate overlords is not a good look, OP.

Being ignorant and jumping in conversations that you have not paid attention to is a bad habit, it will not help you in life, poster.

 

[ar4757]

I think the OP probably could have worded better what he means, but I agree. If I don't like a Nintendo game or finish, I can recoup costs. If I don't like Infinite Warfare, lol good luck

 

[MrNelson]

They are in demand if you can sell them. If you have a copy of say Xenoblade, or Splatoon or MK7, or whatever, you can sell it at almost what you paid for it. That is what I care for. I know Nintendo is artificially maintaining the supply for these games (by not reducing their price), but the outcome is that for the current available supply, there is demand for used games sold at nearly the retail price. I don't know and it is not important to my discussion whether this policy is best for Nintendo themselves or not.


True to some extent, but how can we determine the 'genuine' value of a product? There is really nothing as a genuine value for a product which basically costs nothing to produce. There is only supply and demand, and that is it.

I don't know where you're getting your numbers from, but you're definitely not getting "almost what you paid for" if you buy new and sell.

Splatoon is averaging $35 on eBay used (still $60 new), Mario Kart 7 is averaging $15 on eBay (still $30 new), and Xenoblade Chronicles X is averaging $25 (still $60 new), and that is all before the fees to sell on eBay.

 

[vinnygambini]

Stockholm Syndrome: Nintendo Edition

?

I think there is merit to what the OP tried to articulate but failed to do so.

Video-games should not be viewed as an investment, but purchasing a game at retail price for $60 and having a re-sell value of said game a couple of months or years later close to purchase price is enticing.

That's the given value of Nintendo's first-party games in the marketplace and the OP likes that aspect.

It's not that hard to understand. Some of the posts in this thread are downright embarrassing.

 

[DriftingSpirit]

Stockholm Syndrome: Nintendo Edition

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[KratosEnergyDrink]

It's convenient because you know you can buy a game at launch and be sure it will not priced 50℅ less a week later.

For most games from other publishers you pay a premium price to play it at launch week. Perhaps one difference is that many games these days are blockbusters, they must sell as many as they can before the next blockbuster arrives and the people's attention moves forward.

Nintendo games are meant to sell for many years and are not concepted as 4-weeks blockbuster, this does not mean that every Nintendo game is a precious gem and all other games are dumbed down mainstream. But at least most Nintendo games does not shove it down your throat that they are concepted as soulless blockbuster games a la Ubisoft/EA/Activision or other publishers first party games.

 

[Movalpolos]

You're my fucking hero, seriously. You've said this better than I ever could.

With my experience on GAF, the extreme Nintendo fans are by far the most delusional, the ones with the best mental gymnastics, the most hardcore defense force for the most shitty Nintendo policies, and the ones easiest to follow some cult of personality (Miyamoto, that fucking troll Reggie, and Iwata, may he rest in peace).

The premise of this thread is just another example of this fanaticism. Christ.

Tell me about it. There are people that actually defend Nintendo's policies on creating content on Youtube as well. It's absolutely bonkers.

As I recall, just under a year ago there was a member here (now banned) with a persecution complex when it comes to Nintendo. He/She sent out PMs many members on GAF (myself included) asking people to join another forum.

Found it (removed the link, it's a banned site now anyway for obvious reasons).

It reads:

As nearly 100% of nintendo NX threads get closed on gaf, us nintendo gaf fans are looking for a place to congregate. *removed* is more than happy to host our shenanigans.

The forum was started by ex-NBAgaffers. Footballgaf, wrestlingGAF, HaloGAF and a few other communities have since joined and we're now a community of +1,000 users.

If you're interested, feel free to join and start posting there (and if you know other nintendo fans, message them too!)

Like seriously, this is some pathetic shit. Asking people to join your fucking echo chamber because you just can't deal with anything that isn't pro-Nintendo.

 

[Chindogg]

Did you not read any of the NPD Or PAL threads and WiiU ? Lack of sales, the price did not drop. Here in UK I never even saw a WiiU in shops, most did not even stock it.

Who were buying all the WiiU games and consoles to keep prices high, especially here in UK ?

Nintendo set the whole sale price of their goods to the shops, they keep it high whether the stuff sells or nobody gives a shit. Its their business decision, fair enough they can charge what they want its their goods....... it has fuck all to do with perceived value.

God, makes you wonder if people actually believe shops have control over the price of whole sale goods.

Somebody must have bought them, otherwise they wouldn't keep the price high. It's clear they have a strategy around "evergreen" titles and while it's not topping the charts it's enough to keep them profitable. And perhaps that's all they care about at this point. Making some of the money instead of all of the money.

For all the talk about corporations not being friends to consumers, there's an awful lot of concern for their well being as a company when it comes to sales.

I like how if I don't like a game, I can just get a refund.

Seems easier than the gymnastics for Nintendo value.

Many stores in the US have "no return" policies for opened software. That's slowly changing at certain places, but for the most part you're SoL if you try to return an opened game.

 

[Tagyhag]

I like how if I don't like a game, I can just get a refund.

Seems easier than the gymnastics for Nintendo value.

 

[eizarus]

I can't tell the difference between what's satire and what's not anymore.

You and me both brother.

True to some extent (I agree that price fixing can be anti-consumer, but only to some consumer; in this case, it works for me), but how can we determine the 'genuine' value of a product? There is really nothing as a genuine value for a product which basically costs nothing to produce. There is only supply and demand, and that is it.

That's the issue though. There isn't enough "demand". I've quoted geordiemp because he summed it up perfectly. In the UK at the very least, Nintendo's products really don't have as much pull as they may in the States, Europe and Japan.

Did you not read any of the NPD Or PAL threads and WiiU ? Lack of sales, the price did not drop. Here in UK I never even saw a WiiU in shops, most did not even stock it.

Who were buying all the WiiU games and consoles to keep prices high, especially here in UK ?

Nintendo set the whole sale price of their goods to the shops, they keep it high whether the stuff sells or nobody gives a shit. Its their business decision, fair enough they can charge what they want its their goods....... it has fuck all to do with perceived value.

God, makes you wonder if people actually believe shops have control over the price of whole sale goods.

 

[The Boat]

Tell me about it. There are people that actually defend Nintendo's policies on creating content on Youtube as well. It's absolutely bonkers.

As I recall, just under a year ago there was a member here (now banned) with a persecution complex when it comes to Nintendo. He/She sent out PMs many members on GAF (myself included) asking people to join another forum.

Found it (removed the link, it's a banned site now anyway for obvious reasons).

It reads:



Like seriously, this is some pathetic shit. Asking people to join your fucking echo chamber because you just can't deal with anything that isn't pro-Nintendo.

You're doing a public service sir, thank you! This kind of post adds a lot to the discussion and is a breath of fresh air, no one has the courage to call out all these Nintendo shills.

 

[randomengine]

I support the OP. I think it is important to maintain IP value both for the company and the industry at large.

Even poor people that cannot afford games don't benefit as they eventually just get worse games over time for their money. I would much rather maintain game prices and keep quality high. I can afford to buy less games if that means the quality of those games is higher.

I've seen a steady decline in game quality this gen. Shorter games, flashier graphics, more shallow gameplay. Nintendo even suffered from it because their system didn't have the install base to fully invest in games like Mario Tennis which was released bare bones.

If you want a premium experience, and I think as gaming enthusiasts we all want that, then we should encourage the kind of market that would create that premium experience.

Steam and pervasive, widespread sales culture is absolutely not it.

 

[Jezbollah]

I can honestly see this kind of argument being made for the old Neo Geo back in the day, because that was properly expensive, yet technically excellent. But for Nintendo? Nah. Trying your best to apply some kind of faux premium sheen to their products based upon an inflexible pricing strategy is counter productive IMO. Most people can clearly see what are premium products, either with their own opinion or whatever marketing strategy is developed to deliver that message.

With regards to the games, an "investment" in the correct sense and definition is made in order to get a return above the amount you invested. If you sell at a loss, then you have to ask if the loss you made and the experience you had with the game is beyond the original price you paid, and by how much, and also by the fact you will not be able to play that game again without a future investment to buy that game again.

 

[Movalpolos]

You're doing a public service sir, thank you! This kind of post adds a lot to the discussion and is a breath of fresh air, no one has the courage to call out all these Nintendo shills.

"Shills" would imply they are being paid for it. Did you read the PM I quoted? That's a real thing.

 

[aggienader]

This is clearly a case of justifying paying outlandish prices for videogames and I can't stand it when people do this.

Go look up the trade-in-value of said games/hardware on any website and report back if the "investment" was worth it.

 

[geordiemp]

Somebody must have bought them, otherwise they wouldn't keep the price high. It's clear they have a strategy around "evergreen" titles and while it's not topping the charts it's enough to keep them profitable. And perhaps that's all they care about at this point. Making some of the money instead of all of the money.

For all the talk about corporations not being friends to consumers, there's an awful lot of concern for their well being as a company when it comes to sales.

Dont really give a shit if big corporations do well or not, I have no concerns.

I am just pointing out that if ANY game distributor keeps the whole sale price at say £ 40 and does not over produce, then no shop anywhere will ever have it any cheaper than that.

Its not hard to do, its a distributor choice, it has fuck all to do with evergreen, value, or anything else that apologists spout out of there arse.

Its simple, its just the chosen whole sale price and volumes made by Nintendo. I dont give a damn either way as not bought anything Nintendo for last 6 years as only N stuff that appeals to me is Excite truck and Zelda (and no its not £ 400 worth of appeal either).

 

[hurricanes]

I don't know where you're getting your numbers from, but you're definitely not getting "almost what you paid for" if you buy new and sell.

Splatoon is averaging $35 on eBay used (still $60 new), Mario Kart 7 is averaging $15 on eBay (still $30 new), and Xenoblade Chronicles X is averaging $25 (still $60 new), and that is all before the fees to sell on eBay.

If you shop around a little bit, NIB Splatoon is $45 and Xenoblade X $40. And by shop around I mean 5 minute of internet search. I am also sure you can find Xenoblade X for less as I had randomly seen it on ad for ~$35 a while back, not flash sale.

I don't like Nintendo's pricing policy because I don't usually sell my games. But they do generally retain their value well.

 

[ViolentP]

I'm assuming you're going to try to resell them on eBay? Yeah you can sell nintendo games there too and make back close to full price as well.

Right. So that said, while both parties can make most of their return, one of them still costs you, the consumer, 1/3 less than the other.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

And people who don't support Nintendo's policy are sucking up to the other corporations policies.

You're really going to have to explain how choosing to buy something below MSRP as a consumer is sucking on the corporate teat of MS/Sony/Valve/EA/Ubi.

Edit: off-topic, but Slaent isn't some Nintendo haven. Just different moderation rules/priorities than GAF.

 

[MrNelson]

I support the OP. I think it is important to maintain IP value both for the company and the industry at large.

Even poor people that cannot afford games don't benefit as they eventually just get worse games over time for their money. I would much rather maintain game prices and keep quality high. I can afford to buy less games if that means the quality of those games is higher.

I've seen a steady decline in game quality this gen. Shorter games, flashier graphics, more shallow gameplay. Nintendo even suffered from it because their system didn't have the install base to fully invest in games like Mario Tennis which was released bare bones.

If you want a premium experience, and I think as gaming enthusiasts we all want that, then we should encourage the kind of market that would create that premium experience.

Steam and pervasive, widespread sales culture is absolutely not it.

I sincerely hope that you're joking with this. Are you just going to pretend that expensive trash games just didn't exist in every generation prior to this one? I'm sure you remember all the shallow licensed crap that existed back on the NES and SNES, because I do. I also remember them being more expensive than a lot of games today. A premium price does not automatically mean a premium experience. It never has, and it never will.

 

[The Boat]

"Shills" would imply they are being paid for it. Did you read the PM I quoted? That's a real thing.

And this is relevant because...?

 

[Chindogg]

Dont really give a shit if big corporations do well or not, I have no concerns.

I am just pointing out that if ANY game distributor keeps the whole sale price at say £ 40 and does not over produce, then no shop anywhere will ever have it any cheaper than that.

Its not hard to do, its a distributor choice, it has fuck all to do with evergreen, value, or anything else that apologists spout out of there arse.

Its simple, its just the chosen whole sale price and volumes made by Nintendo. I dont give a damn either way as not bought anything Nintendo for last 6 years as only N stuff that appeals to me is Excite truck and Zelda (and no its not £ 400 worth of appeal either).

You're not making any sense. You're mad because Nintendo games are still at a price that you deem too high? But you haven't bought anything Nintendo for the last 6 years?

What horse do you have in this race then?

Anyway, game prices are probably determined by the king concept in our economy: supply and demand. If Nintendo games retain their full retail value years after release, it's probably because Nintendo determined that the supply and demand curve for those games is such that leaving them at full price will remain profitable. The "Nintendo Selects" line is probably Nintendo determining that leaving those games at full retail launch value is NOT profitable.

Full pricing is NOT because Nintendo games are a gift from god and us mere mortals are to be eternally thankful. Get the fuck out of my face with that nonsense.

I actually agree with this assessment, but don't think that anyone here is really proclaiming that Nintendo games are a "gift from god." They just think their games are worth full price and probably pay that full price. If you value them differently, no problem. There's no use in getting upset over people having different opinions. To be honest, a couple of your posts are just straight up inflammatory for no reason whatsoever.

 

[InfiniteCombo]

Like seriously, this is some pathetic shit. Asking people to join your fucking echo chamber because you just can't deal with anything that isn't pro-Nintendo.

I'm not surprised by this at all. "Better" (i.e., more official) echo chambers exist, so not sure why this user was asking other people to join that one. (Examples: Nintendo Everything, Nintendo Life, the GameXplain dorks, etc etc etc.)

You're doing a public service sir, thank you! This kind of post adds a lot to the discussion and is a breath of fresh air, no one has the courage to call out all these Nintendo shills.

And what was YOUR awesome contribution?

Anyway, game prices are probably determined by the king concept in our economy: supply and demand. If Nintendo games retain their full retail value years after release, it's probably because Nintendo determined that the supply and demand curve for those games is such that leaving them at full price will remain profitable. The "Nintendo Selects" line is probably Nintendo determining that leaving those games at full retail launch value is NOT profitable.

Full pricing is NOT because Nintendo games are a gift from god and us mere mortals are to be eternally thankful. Get the fuck out of my face with that nonsense.

 

[Parapraxis]

As a consumer I refuse to buy Nintendo games new. I will wait as long as it takes for somebody to sell in a local b/s/t/ group because I don't enjoy being gouged for games.

 

[The Boat]

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And what was YOUR awesome contribution?

I've been contributing throughout the thread.

 

[Movalpolos]

You're really going to have to explain how choosing to buy something below MSRP as a consumer is sucking on the corporate teat of MS/Sony/Valve/EA/Ubi.

Edit: off-topic, but Slaent isn't some Nintendo haven. Just different moderation rules/priorities than GAF.

What is Slaent?

 

[Daschysta]

As someone who trades games relatively frequently it's nice for me. I can play Nintendos game at full price and trade it in to fully cover some other discounted game once I'm done. People can complain, sure but Nintendos games have the best legs in the business, full price, months after launch and demand is frequently still strong enough to sell numerous copies. Other games become discounted because they don't sell well at full price outside of launch window. If other pubs/retailers could move product indefinitely at full price you better believe they would. When Ninties games bomb they do get slashed (see Other M), it just doesn't happen frequently. Publishers and retailers don't give us heavy discounts out of the good of their heart you know.