Steven Universe |OT4| Every Rose Has Its Thorns
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SchrodingerC
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Is this true?!
Atraveller
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That's pretty much the entire year!
KibblesBits
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LOL, way to get people riled up.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
KibblesBits
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Diamond Lore Spoilers
Yes, we don't even have a proper name for White Diamond. We just know that it exists via the murals. I kind of think the gems haven't even encountered it before but you never know. They're so... secretive.
KenzinFive
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Given the shape of the Diamond Authority symbol, it makes sense that Blue and Yellow seem to have a close relationship and that they're placed together in the overall plot. We see them together and they grieve together. They're side-by-side in the middle and Pink Diamond was at the bottom. What's scary is that they're likely second-fiddle to White Diamond, who is at the very top. Whatever her personality is, she definitely seems like she'll be the final threat or obstacle of the series.
MisterGrey3000
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No, we don't know anything concrete.
We can only speculate based on her mural in the moon base and Pink's position in the authority.
But yeah, I'm reeeeaaally hoping we get to see White Diamond sometime soon. At this point in time she's one of the most enigmatic characters in the show.
We can only speculate based on her mural in the moon base and Pink's position in the authority.
But yeah, I'm reeeeaaally hoping we get to see White Diamond sometime soon. At this point in time she's one of the most enigmatic characters in the show.
I am assuming we will see pink diamond earlier than white diamond based on how much prominence she has taken in the story.
TheGreatDirector
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I have a feeling Pearl may have been White Diamond's pearl to begin with.After Pink Diamond died, White Diamond might have taken the Pink Pearl as her own. Pearl's color scheme really doesn't fit with any other Diamond after all.
I ALWAYS pay attention to his rants.
I am still disappointed that sneeple never went anywhere though.
to be fair (having just rewatched the episode) sneeple were before his eyes were opened and he discovered the truth.
also...
there is no reason sneeple can't show up as the enemy of the likely gem war 
SchrodingerC
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Thanks for the mild panic haha.
What did he call?
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
I couldn't help but watch, will also watch when airs to support (and of course will be on the complete series release whenever that is).
About Greg.
About Greg.
Wow is he a goddamn Sexual Tyrannosaurs with all Gem-kind. Winning the hearts of Diamonds, Gems, & Zoo-Raised people everywhere. Obviously Rose, but even Blue Diamond takes a liking to him, though not sexually the relationship he's formed with Amethyst & Pearl, and all of the Gem-rased zoo people 'choosening' him.
human zoo
"I may be losing my hair, but the magic's still there."
Speaking of which, the whole bomb was filled with some great one-liners and quotes. But it was odd that most of the good ones were all Greg's.
"We both made mistakes. I thought disco was coming back, she started a war."
*after seeing the room filled with hundreds of Rose Quartz gems* "It looks like a birthday party!"
"I haven't broken that many hearts since I had all my hair."
"That has to be the third craziest weekend I've ever had."
And, ugh. I want Amethyst, Jasper, and all these QUARTZ' to be one big happy family when the series comes to an end. Amethyst finally finding a large group of forgotten family members (who are all her friends now) seems like it would be such a huge development for her character. For god's sake, we met the Amethyst who was literally in the hole above her and she mentioned how they were all waiting for her to come out! That's amazing for our Amethyst, who used to wonder why she even existed in the first place! They have to come back at a later date.
PLS CREWNIVERSE!
"We both made mistakes. I thought disco was coming back, she started a war."
*after seeing the room filled with hundreds of Rose Quartz gems* "It looks like a birthday party!"
"I haven't broken that many hearts since I had all my hair."
"That has to be the third craziest weekend I've ever had."
And, ugh. I want Amethyst, Jasper, and all these QUARTZ' to be one big happy family when the series comes to an end. Amethyst finally finding a large group of forgotten family members (who are all her friends now) seems like it would be such a huge development for her character. For god's sake, we met the Amethyst who was literally in the hole above her and she mentioned how they were all waiting for her to come out! That's amazing for our Amethyst, who used to wonder why she even existed in the first place! They have to come back at a later date.
PLS CREWNIVERSE!
Not a "corrupted" subtype, but it seems so far that in diamond culture any gem of its type is concidered the same, so i figure the idea is "if one rose quartz did this, all of them are prone to", and they might be onto something since we saw that all amethysts pretty much behaved like THE amethyst.
Kor of Memory
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Ehh...
We've also seen 6 rubies that don't all act the same, and
The Jasper(s) we saw on the Zoo didn't really act like our Jasper.
It might be true that most of the time the gems of the same type are very similar though . It was interesting that all of the amethysts were extremely similar.
User 73706
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"Skinny" (the Jasper from the Beta Kindergarten) was still kinda snobby and "complained" about how clique-y the Prime Kindergartners were. The difference is that she was lighthearted and joking / didn't take it seriously. You also have to consider gem placement, and that this Jasper had a navel Gem like... well, Navy, and Rose Quartz and everything. Even comparing Navy and a Ruby like Eyeball and Skinny and a Jasper like the Jasper makes the situation a little more understandable. It seems like Amethysts tend to be more compassionate and supportive of the people surrounding them, so it makes sense that Yellow Diamond would only take our Jasper - following the war they really didn't need soldiers with empathy in the main throngs of Homeworld society.
Gems of the same type seem to share one main trait even if everything else is different, with Pearls all being attentive and duty-focused and Amethysts/Jaspers being rowdy and active and Rubies being militarized and single-minded. My guess is that Quartz have a main trait of being caring to be battle medics or something along those lines and that was the problem.
Yeah, sorry. Should been more specific.
An interesting thought as to why all the
bubbled Rose Quartz Gems are in the zoo: They fulfilled the roles the current amethyst--only adopted to the role by Blue after the war--guards perform.
They are designed to be big beefy soldiers, yet their power sets are not at all martially inclined. Aside for their size--useful to guard and handle unruly humans--they seem to be otherwise designed to provide for, protect and control organic life. In short, they are the perfect zookeepers.
Would probably explain Rose's fascination with humans and life. And her general lack of respect for them.
Also would explain why other gems seem so clueless about Rose's powers: they were never common to anywhere else but the Zoo.
They are designed to be big beefy soldiers, yet their power sets are not at all martially inclined. Aside for their size--useful to guard and handle unruly humans--they seem to be otherwise designed to provide for, protect and control organic life. In short, they are the perfect zookeepers.
Would probably explain Rose's fascination with humans and life. And her general lack of respect for them.
Also would explain why other gems seem so clueless about Rose's powers: they were never common to anywhere else but the Zoo.
This makes a lot of sense.
However
If THE Rose Quartz was from the zoo, why didnt she ever go back to liberate the humans?
pearl said
at the start of the bomb they never got the chance to rescue anyone from the zoo
Freezasaurus
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Welp I am going with this rose quartz explanation
KenzinFive
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Found another excellent bit of foreshadowing regarding Peridot and Jasper that's given context by the leaked bomb: (SPOILERS IN PICTURE FORM IN THE LINK):
Man, even Jasper's been abused.
ShironRedshift
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Wow, I really like this. Especially since
it also seems to be the case that all the Rose Quartzes seemed to be servants of Pink Diamond and of course whose idea was the zoo originally? Pink Diamond.
I'm not sure that they're really meant to be beefy soldiers at all though. Especially since Rose's natural weapon is a shield and that she otherwise had to have Bismuth make her sword and stuff so if other Roses were like her in that way I'm not too sure they were truly meant to perform any guard functions at all due to their limited offensive abilities. Rose does have tremendous physical strength but, if this is indeed correct, it would seem more likely that the reason for that, in combination with her floating/flying powers, is to make it easy for them to move things around for the humans and alter the zoo as need be with great ease, and not necessarily for any actual offensive or defensive reason.
Instead, with that being the case, it would make sense if Amethysts/Jaspers were always intended to be the guards and muscle, with the Rose Quartzes filling the role of attenders and caretakers of those in the zoo. Like you said, her power set being focused around stuff like healing and plants and stuff is well suited for caring for life.
Then, our Rose started the rebellion, the other Roses were bubbled as a response, and their tasks of taking care of the zoo was left to the Amethysts there in addition to their existing role as guards.
But yeah, other than that little quibble, I think you might be on to something here.
I'm not sure that they're really meant to be beefy soldiers at all though. Especially since Rose's natural weapon is a shield and that she otherwise had to have Bismuth make her sword and stuff so if other Roses were like her in that way I'm not too sure they were truly meant to perform any guard functions at all due to their limited offensive abilities. Rose does have tremendous physical strength but, if this is indeed correct, it would seem more likely that the reason for that, in combination with her floating/flying powers, is to make it easy for them to move things around for the humans and alter the zoo as need be with great ease, and not necessarily for any actual offensive or defensive reason.
Instead, with that being the case, it would make sense if Amethysts/Jaspers were always intended to be the guards and muscle, with the Rose Quartzes filling the role of attenders and caretakers of those in the zoo. Like you said, her power set being focused around stuff like healing and plants and stuff is well suited for caring for life.
Then, our Rose started the rebellion, the other Roses were bubbled as a response, and their tasks of taking care of the zoo was left to the Amethysts there in addition to their existing role as guards.
But yeah, other than that little quibble, I think you might be on to something here.
Dusk Golem
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I will say I think it'll be interesting when Steven Universe comes to a close how each season of the show may be received, since fans always like to say which seasons are the best, worst, which are worth watching, etc.
Season 4 will be interesting in reflection, we still need to see what it turns into in the full second half of it, but we're over half-way done with the season now, and I think so far Season 4 has had both some of the show's lowest and highest points.
Season 4 will be interesting in reflection, we still need to see what it turns into in the full second half of it, but we're over half-way done with the season now, and I think so far Season 4 has had both some of the show's lowest and highest points.
KenzinFive
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Hell, for a while Season 4 went from excellent to middling back to excellent down to terrible from episode to episode. You had the OK Buddy's Book followed by the Top 5 episode Mindful Education, followed by the pointless and forgettable Future Boy Zoltron, followed by the awesome Last One Out of Beach City, followed by one of the worst episodes in the entire show, Onion Gang.
Gem Harvest and Three Gems & A Baby were serviceable, and I like Gem Harvest more than most people. Season 4 was pretty much just Mindful Education and Last One Out of Beach City for me, but this bomb drastically improved things. I know the "filler" episodes aren't really filler, but these five episodes were what I had been wanting from the show for months and months.
This being quoted at the top of this page is pretty alarming if you're just now checking up on this thread
I feel like I'm completely uncritical considering I enjoyed all of those with the exception of Onion Gang.
There are only a few episodes of Steven Universe I actively dislike. Secret Team is probably my least favorite to this day, though Drop Beat Dad was also terrible.
MisterGrey3000
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I love how Skinny Jasper barely has over 30 seconds of screen time and she's already gaining lots of popularity. haha
Seeing as she was most likely born near the same time as our Jasper, I wonder if she has any firsthand experience with her.
Both Jasper and Eyeball imply that the former came out immediately fighting so I can't really imagine she had the time to be awful to "defects" or even understand that "defects" are bad during her time in the war (...unless an agate was there to immediately whip her into shape...)
Maybe our Jasper came out way before Skinny and all she heard were awesome stories of a big brave perfect earth warrior taking out dozens of rebels.
OH, I have such a strong need to see Skinny and the other earth quartzes interacting with our Jasper. Even if it's largely negative it'll still be interesting as hell.
Seeing as she was most likely born near the same time as our Jasper, I wonder if she has any firsthand experience with her.
Both Jasper and Eyeball imply that the former came out immediately fighting so I can't really imagine she had the time to be awful to "defects" or even understand that "defects" are bad during her time in the war (...unless an agate was there to immediately whip her into shape...)
Maybe our Jasper came out way before Skinny and all she heard were awesome stories of a big brave perfect earth warrior taking out dozens of rebels.
OH, I have such a strong need to see Skinny and the other earth quartzes interacting with our Jasper. Even if it's largely negative it'll still be interesting as hell.
Dusk Golem
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There were more episodes I liked in Season 4, but I do think the show did need to establish a forward going-direction for a lot of Season 4 which this whole episode arc help accomplish to give more weight to things. I'm not against the Beach City episodes and there's some really good ones, but I do think it kind of paled because it felt too seperate from everything else. It's a bit hard to explain what I mean, but a lot of the episodes felt like they could of happened at any point in the series, they do build more of the characters, and I'm sure some will play into things in the future, but were missing sort of a deeper intrigue I guess?
While I like some episodes far more than others, my least favorite Steven Universe episodes I still like well enough so I find myself not as bothered as some people. I think it's important to develop the human stories more...
I JUST THOUGHT OF MY ISSUE THOUGH. a lot of the human stories seem too separated from each other. They're a community, but there's very little community I feel outside of a few episodes. I know they all have their own lives, but they all seem so tied in their own circles we hardly see them mix and cross with each other outside of quick cameo or gags. There's almost always only a small selection of characters you expect to see when one character is featured in an episode and their conflicts unlike the Gem stuff is mostly resolved pretty well in one episode without any big hanging weight or consequences or developments or story. I'm not saying there's NONE, as there definitely is, but it feels so self-contained so often, with the 'main' story, the other character stories, and even many of the same character episodes. Sometimes something will be given more importance than expected, and that's cool, but I think it's just as important make the Beach City episodes have more interplay and developments rather than feeling like secluded one-offs.
...Anyways, back to my initial point, I think there's only only one episode in the show I truly just dislike, and it's been a while and off the top I forget what episode it was just there was one episode like that for me, I just certainly have noticed the very strange 'waves' Season 4 has given with its highs and lows for me. I think it feels paced a bit worse than Season 1, 2, & 3. Many of the episodes in Season 4 are as good as Beach City episodes in Season 1 I enjoyed or better, but something about them makes me enjoy them a bit less and I think it's the pacing. Not even in how they're released all wrong by Cartoon Network, even if I marathon them off DVR I can tell something is off about the pacing that Season 1-3 had. I'd have to do more digging to completely figure out what I mean, but I think it has to do with the transition period of main plot lines the show is in and trying to balance things rather than sort of work with a... 'flow' of things? Something like that.
But that's not to dismiss Season 4, the opposite I really like it so far and find myself excited for new episodes and enjoy them. Steven Universe is very high on my top cartoons of all time. But when a show is of such high quality, I think when something is a bit wobbly it shows a bit more. And I'm getting that sense there's something wrong with the pacing that's making a great season not be able to be quite as great as it could of been if it just flowed a bit more naturally at times.
Dusk Golem
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I was annoyed they didn't mark their spoiler either, there's a lot of people who will wait to watch for a month so tag you shit, yo.
But do know I can guarantee you 100% it's probably not what you think it is and not any big spoiler, at least. Do be careful if waiting, and they should mark it 100%, but out of context it's almost misleading.
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