Obviously 2020 titles!
Scalebound cancelled [Platinum Games and Kamiya have commented]
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Obviously 2020 titles!
Coulomb_Barrier
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Halo, Gears and Forza of course.
Suburban Thug
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Probably for the best it looked terrible
Corpsepyre
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How in the absolute fuck can Gears of War flop? In what world are we living in? Gears was so hot once.
Aggelos
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Guys do you think history repeats itself?
Back in 1996 Hideki Kamiya is the director of Bio Hazard 2.
Early in 1997 producer Shinji Mikami decides to scrap the entire project and tell everybody to restart development of the game.
Skipping to the present.
Biohazard 2 Remake has been in development since the year 2015. Meanwhile, Hideki Kamiya is working on Scalebound as the creative director. Eventually, in early 2017 Microsoft executives decide to pull the plug off.
Does history have a sense of irony, or what?............
Look at the timing of the project-cancellation early 1997 - early 2017
Back in 1996 Hideki Kamiya is the director of Bio Hazard 2.
Early in 1997 producer Shinji Mikami decides to scrap the entire project and tell everybody to restart development of the game.
Skipping to the present.
Biohazard 2 Remake has been in development since the year 2015. Meanwhile, Hideki Kamiya is working on Scalebound as the creative director. Eventually, in early 2017 Microsoft executives decide to pull the plug off.
Does history have a sense of irony, or what?............
Look at the timing of the project-cancellation early 1997 - early 2017
SomedayTheFire
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No, it's pretty much exactly the same as evidenced by the hundreds of cancelled fan favourite titles down the years.
Magic Mushroom
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Me. I rather have Scalebound than Forza 8 and Halo 10.
Acquiescence
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Not really. Like, it would have had to be completely unplayable, Big Rigs tier garbage for Microsoft to see no return as a better alternative to some return.
Deep Down has been MIA, but your point still stands.
demogorgon
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I don't understand this comment. If i tell you to build me a pool with a waterfall and hot tub and you sign a contract, go way over budget, take twice as long, the hot tub doesn't work and the waterfall keeps breaking it's my fault for forcing you to build that stuff? In what world do we live in where "not holding up your end of the contract" in considered acceptable and we start blaming the other side? this is worse then trophies for participation, but hey that's probably what cause it. I'm old school If I'm paid to do something and i agree to it, I better dam well produce or i deserve the downfall.
bananafactory
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Nothing lasts forever. Even COD is seeing a decline
QB is probably one of the last remnants of the "TV TV TV" era of Mattrick.
Are you REALLY asking this seriously? This is a development studio filled with people who are responsible of creating games like Devil May Cry, Viewtiful Joe, Okami, Bayonetta, Vanquish, Resident Evil 2 and such. Those are objectively genre-topping and some even genre defining games. Of course it's a huge loss if such developers lose their jobs and possibly scatter to the wind never to work together again if Platinum closed, no matter what you think of their low-budget Activision games and working on a Nintendo game that didn't turn out the best they could.
Man, That's just crazy. In development for at least 4 years and it's cancelled. Damn.
Hella curious to hear from Kamiya himself about this whole ordeal, but I imagine MS has already got them barred from discussing anything related from Scalebound.
Though you already know He ain't ever gonna let this shit down. Dude, has to be mad frustrated through out the whole development between him and MS.
Hella curious to hear from Kamiya himself about this whole ordeal, but I imagine MS has already got them barred from discussing anything related from Scalebound.
Though you already know He ain't ever gonna let this shit down. Dude, has to be mad frustrated through out the whole development between him and MS.
Spyder_Monkey
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That's Capcom.
VincentMatts
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It isnt a flop. Hes pulling stuff out of his ass
As disappointed as I am, I do at least want to believe MS cancelled the game for a good reason. Maybe the project was a mess and it was causing problems for Kamiya and his team, or maybe MS just thought it was unsalvagable shit and decided to pull the plug, or maybe it was Platinum that still couldn't deliver after 4 years and MS wanted some results, or maybe it was something else entirely.
Who knows at this point, but I'm curious to see the post-mortems on this when and if they ever happen. As far as the future of Xbox goes, I think they are fine but I do hope they have some stuff up their sleeves for E3. The standard trio of Halo/Gears/Forza is still quality imo but they are going to need more than that this year.
I'm honestly more worried about Platinum though, Nier looks great but I doubt it will sell like hot cakes, I hope they get picked up for some more projects sooner rather than later.
Who knows at this point, but I'm curious to see the post-mortems on this when and if they ever happen. As far as the future of Xbox goes, I think they are fine but I do hope they have some stuff up their sleeves for E3. The standard trio of Halo/Gears/Forza is still quality imo but they are going to need more than that this year.
I'm honestly more worried about Platinum though, Nier looks great but I doubt it will sell like hot cakes, I hope they get picked up for some more projects sooner rather than later.
Suzushiiro
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Yeah, but I can't think of a remotely recent example of Sony or Nintendo announcing a game, showing it off as one of their big exclusives at several big events, and then canning it.
hydrophilic attack
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The Last Guardian was very likely also a bad game at one point, and far behind budged.
Yet they pushed on and released something special, if far from perfect.
Cancelling games left and right the moment they run into a problem is weak when your competition does so much better
brandonh83
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Nintendo wanted a Star Fox 64 remake with a control scheme that few wanted in a rail shooter. This ain't on Platinum.
SomedayTheFire
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Yeah it is and it spells out that maybe Xbox is hurting financially which is what I meant initially. Just because they're backed by a massive company like Microsoft doesn't mean they don't have their own financial targets to hit and stay on. Xbox is hurting bad and Microsoft's money isn't a catch all to appease us as fans.
You know thats not based on anything right?
Astral Dog
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Gamer @ Heart
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It cost them so much fucking money.
I have no doubt that when Microsoft looked at how much they spent on that game, particularly the TV show and marketing, vs those sales figures they got some serious reservations.
VincentMatts
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That depends, if they have to put another $20 million in order to finish the game that they know will never be profitable, at one point it's just not worth it anymore
The real issue is that it should not have taken this long to figure out
pixellated_man
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Feel the same way. Even the e3 showing wasn't as awful as people were making out.
It didn't "flop" it's just not selling what it once did. It's why you have the service model for those games. It attempts to keep the players who have it "locked in" and offers various ways for them to spend more money.
Dash_Riprock
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EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Resident Evil 2
Devil May Cry
Viewtiful Joe
Okami
Bayonetta
The Wonderful 101
Kamiya's directorial history is ludicrously high quality. Would have loved to try Scalebound.
Devil May Cry
Viewtiful Joe
Okami
Bayonetta
The Wonderful 101
Kamiya's directorial history is ludicrously high quality. Would have loved to try Scalebound.
ASilentProtagonist
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Papacheeks
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Please when what games did Sony cancel that were announced, and shown to the public?
Same with Nintendo? The only one I can think of from Nintendo in recent years is the launch title for Wii U, that had aliens and first person shooting, dont remember the name of it.
And Sony this generation cancelled stig's game which as unannounced, and unknown to the public.
Would love to hear what games both have cancelled this past gen.
ElBoxyBrown
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I'm skeptical of this cuz why would MS waste 3 years if their goals were impossible? A that wasted time and money. It doesn't add up.I'm sure there's two sides but this seems really bad
Ricky Ricardo
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I get what you're saying, but the overall principle of sunk costs and cut projects is still a reality.
Spyder_Monkey
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It's been like that since the Xbox division began.
People are really getting at Platinum for a couple of bad Activision games. It's a shame.
I cannot think of a game that had this kind of showing being cancelled by any platform holder in recent years. I am struggling to think of any game from any publisher that has been cancelled. Sleeping dogs was one, but that was never really shown when it was with Activation. This was a game that was shown numerous times, had youtube videos, twitter and other social media advertising it.
I cannot think of a game that had this kind of showing being cancelled by any platform holder in recent years. I am struggling to think of any game from any publisher that has been cancelled. Sleeping dogs was one, but that was never really shown when it was with Activation. This was a game that was shown numerous times, had youtube videos, twitter and other social media advertising it.
FinaruDensetsu
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Remember it's also compounded by the fact that MS has not done well to cultivate a userbase that is interested in Japanese games. I mean go and read twitter replies to Phil or other Xbox people and you'll see a lot of fans are saying they are fine with it and happy with just Halo and Gears.
I think at some point MS realized that this wouldn't sell to their base even if it turned out good, but still distinctly Japanese. But in trying to change it to something that would appeal to their heavily Western userbase, it lost its identity.
What suck is that it's four years down the drain where he could have been working on something else.
Agreed, it looked cool, but I also think that I couldn't get a feel for what the game actually was besides riding and commanding a large dragon to kill larger things?
He means 2017 games I think.
Just to clear up something, four of the nine MS titles were announced/shown in 2013: Project Spark (released though), Below, Fable Legends, Halo 5. So 5 of the 9 were brand new.
Since I see you two keep going back and forth, but nobody actually factchecking that part
I get that you're saying the comparison should be between games that were new announcements at E3. I get that part.
The part i don't think you're understanding is i'm comparing both conferences as a whole of what they decided to show, not just the new stuff. I think it's important to see that Sony focused on already announced titles, while Microsoft went ahead with showing games that were far from completion. While your list is omitting that part.
Shpeshal Nick
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I understand the "If it no longer makes financial sense then cancel" argument that some are posting, but if the delays and budget blowout is a direct result of Microsoft meddling, then it's a problem.
Yes, Platinum has a 50/50 strike rate with the quality of their games.
But if there's one thing Platinum is pretty consistent with, is getting games out quickly within a small budget...unless a publisher meddles, like here and StarFox. Regardless of its final quality, this is the kind of game Microsoft needed to diversify its portfolio and give an expanded audience of gamers a reason to consider jumping into the ecosystem.
Reducing that diversity does them zero favours.
Yes, Platinum has a 50/50 strike rate with the quality of their games.
But if there's one thing Platinum is pretty consistent with, is getting games out quickly within a small budget...unless a publisher meddles, like here and StarFox. Regardless of its final quality, this is the kind of game Microsoft needed to diversify its portfolio and give an expanded audience of gamers a reason to consider jumping into the ecosystem.
Reducing that diversity does them zero favours.
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