God damn it MS. What the fuck were you thinking?
Scalebound cancelled [Platinum Games and Kamiya have commented]
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God damn it MS. What the fuck were you thinking?
Ricky Ricardo
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You should know better than to lump a general Microsoft acquisition into matters involving the Xbox division ...
SomedayTheFire
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I doubt Sony just handed Tequila Works back the IP for Rime. There would have been negotiations and repayment involved. I doubt Platinum could afford what MS has already invested in the title.
They think more power is all you need as that will bring in the third party buyers. Who knows how that will work out.
I don't think they are evil at all, I just think they're flailing.
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Weltall Zero
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Already seeing the MS usuals circling the wagons with the same old "but other companies are shitty too!", "the game was shit anyway" and so on, ugh.
By my own definition every single of Kamiya's games have been masterpieces, so to think that MS's definition of a "good game" might be more restrictive than Kamiya is nothing short of comedy gold. On the other hand, if you think Kamiya's games are bad, then MS made a mistake hiring him to make a game in the first place. You can't have it both ways.
By my own definition every single of Kamiya's games have been masterpieces, so to think that MS's definition of a "good game" might be more restrictive than Kamiya is nothing short of comedy gold. On the other hand, if you think Kamiya's games are bad, then MS made a mistake hiring him to make a game in the first place. You can't have it both ways.
Resident Evil and DMC were almost twenty years ago. Lots of shit happened between then and now. I don't know the man, don't know where he is creatively but if saying "hey he directed some great shit decades ago" is supposed to get me excited, imagine what kind of up hill battle it must've been against the money men you'd be trying to convince of funding a whatever millions of dollars project. Kojima is a special case because his new titles are just as revered as his legacy titles were 30 years ago. Backing Kojima makes sense because the dude is hot property, his name draws crowds in the GAF circles as well as the much more important mainstream crowd.
I'm working in games media in in Germany, here's me talking about that very presentation in our podcast from August.
Outrun
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What does one have to do with the other?
The difference is that Kamiya doesn't have the cache that Kojima has. Not a lot of people care about Platinum or Kamiya as evidenced by the poor sales of their games. It's not really a coup for Sony to recruit them, especially since Platinum is already making them a game.
Relaxed Muscle
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With chibi characters, no blood, no open world, cartonish graphics because specs and no flying dragoons across the map, they just fly a few meters above the ground.
Then Miyamoto comes in and believes they should made it a Kirby game, because he dreamed last night about a Kirby ARPG.
Kirby: The Millenial Dragoon.
Ah, now is in 2D.
I'd play it.
Serious Question why do people act like MS pioneered BC? Infact the only console I can think of in the last 15 years not BC is Ps4.
Kojima games make 10x as much as Kamiya games.
OrbitalBeard
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Dear beelzebub. As long as people are demonstrably doing all they can (within reason, we already have too work-obsessed cultures, we shouldn't force people to work so much it destroys their health) and aren't deliberately just delaying completion of the work, no, this isn't what "things never got done in this world". Get the fuck out with that kind of dumb strawman crap. We have reports that several people from Platinum have had to take long breaks because they were working themselves to death due to Microsoft's mishandling of the situation. That's simply not how work should be done in this world no matter what was being worked on.
It's not even that Microsoft cancelled this that is the problem. Sure, if Platinum was doing a horrible job, maybe the game deserves to have been cancelled. It's the WAY that Microsoft seems to have handled the situation that is the biggest problem here. Again, they drove development staff of the game to work so hard that many of them have reportedly had health issues that forced them to take time off from the project. That's not good, no matter if there's an argument to be made that Scalebound deserved to be cancelled.
And again, creative work is different from building fountains even if that can have complications too. Publishers should be well aware of the fact that with creative work (one that includes extremely complex software development to boot), there has to be some room for trial & error, figuring out some troublesome areas of development etc. that can have an effect on the length of development. It's at least PARTLY Microsoft's part if they didn't anticipate this game couldn't be finished in 3 years.
With also a 10x budget
Sucks, MS has done horrible things to their image this gen. Hope P* can find a way to keep those employees afloat. Also seems like this game had a lot of silent pent-up fans. Most threads seemed to be a mix of interested, disinterested and "this doesn't look good" but I'm shocked to see how many people were really into it. Why MS may have sold a lot of consoles judging by this thread! I have no idea where they're heading but I have zero confidence in them moving the needle in the ways that Sony has. It's actually embarrassing in comparison.
wow. Quite shocking actually. Sure the game looked rough the last time they showed up, but i chalked that up to it stil being in development and stuff getting fixed. This just seems a bit extreme with how much they had been pushing it out at shows. Phil, wtf are you doing over there? You're already lacking in the exclusives department, this doesn't help in the slightest.
WAIT WHAT THE FUCK HOW DID I MISS THIS! WHUFOAHFUIHIOhfagatrae.
Now they can work on another Transformers game.
oh wait...
Yeah it makes sense.
I... I actually really do like those games.
DeadDuck144
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A 2D Platinum-developed Kirby ARPG with dragons actually sounds pretty cool to me.
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Scalebound was pretty much a dream come true type project for me, and even if its all PG's fault (which honestly, I doubt. Just look at the history here) , its still a massive hole in their library now with nothing coming to take its place.
NieR: Automata is the closest game I'm ever gonna get at this point, so while I had always intended to pick a PS4 to play it eventually, this announcement just moved that purchase up to a this week type situation.
I'm not gonna do anything drastic like sell my xbone, but at this point I think its time to start looking elsewhere cause the decisions MS has been making recently indicate a shift to an audience that unfortunately doesn't include me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO-_FKlHRRQ
He was in Gamescom as press. Not a stretch to believe he would attend to press-only demos.
guybrushfreeman
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Well then. This was some news to wake up to. Seems like my Xbox One purchase is just for Xbox 360 games now. Ouch
Well this game had a high budget so probably not in this case.
EventHorizon
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This could be one of those things that sound and look cool, but suck in practice. The constantly changing perspective could be very disorienting. If playtests came back saying this and it was a core component of the game, that would explain why MS canceled it. It'd also explain why they decided to show bland gameplay instead of this. They wouldn't want to show it off if they knew it needed major work. I'm not saying that is what happened. I'm just saying things might not be a rosy as they first appear.
Ah, got it thanks.
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Jaguar Victory
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Is this one of those "I'm not sure how familiar you are with Japanese culture, I'm an expert" posts?
Sounds like a lot of unfocused jank to be frank.
bobbychalkers
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Don't even joke, a 3D Kirby character action game would be the shit....
You have decent taste... but man, it still hurts. We've gone from "Platinum does no wrong" to "Thank goodness this Platinum trash is canceled". Worst timeline confirmed.
Sounds like Platinum.
scalebound looked nothing like this. it was ugly and tried to be 10 things at the same time. unfocused is how i would describe that game. or at least what i saw of it
Also who's left to even get platinum on the phone? It seems like their games don't sell super well so that is probably scaring some companies away, activision shut down their licensing branch, both SEGA and Capcom seems VERY unlikely.
Are they just gonna do stuff for Square?
Are they just gonna do stuff for Square?
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