Uhhh. no? Especially not new (large scale, open world, online coop including action game) IPs that often go through some trial & error and re-tooling before they really find the direction they want to take the game in and can enter full production. Platinum probably also had a smaller dev team than some of the western AAA games that do manage a 3 year development cycle.
Scalebound cancelled [Platinum Games and Kamiya have commented]
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I hope platinum takes as much as they possible can from this project and transfers it over to Granblue.
I also hope that, alternatively or at the same time, they get more and more support from Nintendo, where I think they'd be a great fit. I'm not experienced or knowledgeable so maybe my intuition is wrong, but I think they'd fit right in with Nintendo's lineup (having already released Bayonetta there of course).
Dunno if they will ever be a triple A studio though, I feel like they are more niche than that fundamentally, like FROM. I'll just cry if something bad happens to them, crossing my fingers.
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Also financially how much does this hurt Platinum? Will/can Microsoft take a brunt of the cost or does this really just hit Platinum hard?
I also hope that, alternatively or at the same time, they get more and more support from Nintendo, where I think they'd be a great fit. I'm not experienced or knowledgeable so maybe my intuition is wrong, but I think they'd fit right in with Nintendo's lineup (having already released Bayonetta there of course).
Dunno if they will ever be a triple A studio though, I feel like they are more niche than that fundamentally, like FROM. I'll just cry if something bad happens to them, crossing my fingers.
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Also financially how much does this hurt Platinum? Will/can Microsoft take a brunt of the cost or does this really just hit Platinum hard?
Yeah, everyone knows where NeoGAF user pizzacat lives.
And even then, whats the point with the shitpost?
I am half serious for sure, but without doubt Obsidian ended up in a better place from a similar mess with Microsoft. Similarly Obsidian were stuck with offers of projects they didn't care for, rejection of their own pitches of projects and subversion of their own vision for their projects. MS nearly killed them which led directly to Pillars of Eternity and a subsequent renaissance for the whole genre. Paradox were the saviour publisher that let them run along with their own vision as intended thanks to the well proven kickstarter and that led to Tyranny after and a similar approach minus kickstarter - another fantastic game albeit smaller scale as a clear water test for a new idea and new team.
Platinum similarly had a recent interview claiming similar issues and being forced by publishers hands / failed pitches of ideas they'd want to work on. With a successful kickstarter and fan support, I feel like there is a good chance they can both prove themselves along with finding a publisher well suited to them.
Papacheeks
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Yea, but knowing MS in how they have treated their legacy franchises lately( microtransactions in gears, halo) I wonder if PG was having issues and wanted more help with the online portion so they could concentrate on the main mechanics/gameplay for the campaign.
Patterbits
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Psychoward
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Sounds like you were a victim of electrical infetterence.
Lactose_Intolerant
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That it costs money to advertise and they would rather spend that money on games that can make tons of money.
They want home runs or games that will rake in money, month after month.
Weltall Zero
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Sure they would for believing Kamiya is in LA, and your point is? I'm guessing the same as your original shitpost, i.e. none. Go back to 4chan with that shit.
Coffee Dog
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Half of their employees are now out of work. This isn't good.
As always: Wait till the games you want actually come out!
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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Oh yeah, I remember hearing about that and finally getting interested in it.
I feel for the developers, it has to be brutal to work on something and getting this far only to face a bunch of bullshit and have it cancelled.
There's got to be some kind of laws againt that, plus the backlash would be huge and MS isnt that dumb.
Wow... that looks bad.
Crytek wasn't paying their employees for a few months this year
SomewhatGroovy
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Yeah but MS has distanced themselves from Japan for years now. Look at how they treated other "recent" Japanese related stuff like Phantom Dust and Crimson Dragon. This is just the final move. They don't give a fuck.
I don't follow your train of thought here. There have been Japanese games released on the system , yes?
FFXV? Resident Evil 7 is coming, yes? Dark Souls II and III, Devil May Cry 4 and Reboot, PES, Evil Within, MGSV, Dead or Alive 5...
...maybe I misunderstood your qualifier?
edit: Microsoft funded projects?
Maintenance
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Would skip it even harder. Did the same with Doom and almost all the recent ones, until they removed it.
RiccochetJ
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By all accounts they should have been "out of work" last year when the game was originally supposed to have shipped. And I suspect that it's more that at some point half their team touched the game and not all were still actively working on the game at the point of cancellation. Wouldn't be surprised if some were completely done with their work and had already moved on to a different project.
Literally every time the game was shown people were talking about how bad it looked. And it did. I had high hopes, but it ALWAYS looked bad. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that this many years later if it was in fact still bad, it would get canned.
What? I'm talking about Microsoft Games Studios in Japan and the games they produce and publish. What are you talking about?
Platinum were still paying their employees this is about MS not paying Platinum for their dev costs which are usually tied to milestones.
I hope this meme never dies & continues to fool people lmao
Papacheeks
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Rime was going no where and no gameplay outside of reveal trailer was shown. Stig's game was unannounced, and to some people on gaf did not show well to the higher ups, possible bad verticle slice.
Also Tequilla works were able to get the rights back for their game so they were able to continue on without sony.
MS own's scalebound so PG can't even take it to another publisher to finish it.
Coffee Dog
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Milestone abuse doesn't get backlash because of how impossible to prove it is. It's how Bethesda has been getting studios for years and nobody gives a shit.
They are one of the biggest companies in the world with an unimaginable amount of money to spend. Even if all different department have their weight to pull inside the company and can't go on crazy spending sprees, one or two goodwill projects per generation like Scalebound given an extra ~1-1,5+ years of development time to overcome whatever problems they face would hardly bankrupt them.
Weltall Zero
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I agree 100%, and have been hoping for years that they would go through with it at some point. Unfortunately Kickstarter seems to be some sort of unknown territory for most Japanese devs, and after Mighty no. 9 one can imagine it even carrying some stigma. :/
It was likely an attempt at being humorous by saying that, as opposed to the obviousness of Kamiya not living in LA. This is hard to notice at first due to the utter lack of any humour whatsoever; this guy seems to be the genuine equivalent of hilarity antimatter.
MillionStabs
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Wut the fuuuuuuck the game was actually almost done right?
At this point it's going to turn into the Halo/Forza/Gears machine on rotation that also has 3rd party game. I don't think MS would mind it either if they could get by doing that. They pump money into the stuff their fans seem to really care about, have the 3rd parties there for the stuff they don't do, and call it a day. Cuts back on bloat from the department, streamlines more into their franchises and can turn those franchises more into something akin to services.
Thats not how business with shareholders work
It's probably harder to pay their employees if Microsoft isn't paying Platinum.
I bet at 4chan this come across as really clever.
Noone was fooled.
And with the news of Kamiyas mental health issues it looks respectless.
ViewtifulJC
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why did I read this
Kaji AF16
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I am not particularly fond of Kamiya's / Platinum's pedigree, and this game was not looking convincing during the last showings (or perhaps I am too old to be hyped by some headphone wearing, dragon riding Japanese emo-hipster).
But I am indeed surprised by the ferocious backlash that this cancellation is generating among Xbox players. Right now, in some of the most vocal Xbox communities from my country, guys with 100.000 points of gamerscore are incredibly mad at Microsoft, cursing Phil Spencer and swearing to switch to Playstation as soon as they can.
But I am indeed surprised by the ferocious backlash that this cancellation is generating among Xbox players. Right now, in some of the most vocal Xbox communities from my country, guys with 100.000 points of gamerscore are incredibly mad at Microsoft, cursing Phil Spencer and swearing to switch to Playstation as soon as they can.
If it was almost done it probably wouldn't have been canned. ROI would dictate that it would have to make less on release than it would make between now and that time in order to justify canning it - if it were close to done that couldn't possibly be the case.
Because it's a chance to shit on MS, rather than just believing the more obvious answer that the game was actually as fucked as it looked every time they showed it.
Permanently A
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Whoa why does this have 116 pages? I thought the general consensus was that Scalebound always looked pretty poor.
I didn't know I entered this meeting of the minds
Especially with the fan fiction being written about a Last Dragoon game coming out in 2017
Ill be sure to get out of your ways, put in some good word for dmc5 please
Kazuo Hirai
I really want everyone to know how much more Titanfall 2 sold than Nioh. It was a staggering amount.
Platium is one of the most important dev here I guess?
And MS's lineup isn't good now
SavoyPrime
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Thanks goodness for multiplatform titles. Cause if MS thinks Halo Wars 2, Crackdown 3, State of Decay 2, and Sea of Thieves are going to push console sales, they are lying to themselves.
meltingparappa
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Read a few posts above for DRAGON COMBOS and what people expect out of Kamiya.
giancarlo123x
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Its not everyday a big AAA flagship title is cancelled and there is a discussion to be had.
SomewhatGroovy
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Ahh, I did not go back far enough to spot that. Thanks and, yeah, that studio has been an empty dumpster for awhile.
SlimySnake
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lol dont believe everything you read on the internet
Zeus The Dino
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Xbox really aint shit anymore
there's a lot of people that care about platinum and kamiya and hate seeing this happen to the studio given their general level of quality.
for others, they hate that this was cancelled when it seemed so close, which is probably drudging up feelings of phantom dust too.
overall i think it's a pretty shitty move. i have a feeling that it came down to an ultimatum from one party to another, as this seems really abrupt.
Labolas
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Nope, the game had potential. Just because the game had a rough E3 demo, didn't mean the game was shit.
Psychoward
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I haven't been on /v/ in years, just think you're getting repeatedly over defensive about a dumb joke.
I'll admit with Kamiya's mental health in question it could come off as lacking respect, but I doubt everyone even knows that.
Glass Rebel
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He's not the only one saying this.
MatrixMan.EXE
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So the press are lying about what they saw at Gamescom?
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