Scalebound cancelled [Platinum Games and Kamiya have commented]
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How do you know. Huh Huh. Are you an authority on this.
He hasn't made one tweet so far this year. When Kamiya is not tweeting, something is wrong. Either that or his New Years resolution was less twitter.
Can't you squabblers take your little feud somewhere more private?
By some accounts that's possibly what Microsoft asked for.
plasmawave
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Maybe MS didn't know what they really wanted and kept asking for different things like the Phantom Dust case.
Miles Quaritch
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The games were trash. Poorly developed trash that you'd expect form the likes of High Voltage not Platinum.
Licensed games is not an excuse. For such a renowned studio, you'd think they'd put more effort in and want their name to be connected with well developed games.
That's interesting. It reminds me of Konami deleting all mention of Kojima Productions in their packaging and marketing. It wasn't done because they're evil or petty, but because they had transferred the Kojima Productions name to Hideo Kojima. Maybe there's hope???
Yeah, that's why i'm apprehensive about the guy. I can't imagine dedicating my time for years with such pressure only to crack at the end and have to shelve everything
This, to me, reads a bit like the justification for "at-will employement".
That is, correct in a strictly literal sense, but purposefully ignoring the underlying power differential and mechanics.
Mr. Smiley
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InquisitorAles
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I'm not the one who started this and named other person "obtuse", so i don't understand why you quoting my message first.
Deadlines can change during development.
Software development is a mess. It's possible Microsoft suddenly just changed what they wanted super far into development. It happens.
Miles Quaritch
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That could be it. Increase the scope of the game without increasing funding.
But it always seemed huge in scope so I don't know. I guess we'll never know.
SolidSnakex
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Why do people keep bringing up Transformers? It's actually a good game. TMNT is a different story. Activision shutdown their licensed division during its development, which likely tells you about how much support Platinum had during its development process.
Have you EVEN played Transformers? That game is awesome. TMNT and Korra are their two trash games.
shiftplusone
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Ignoring the fact that transformers is pretty well regarded for being a good game, the quality of them has nothing to do with kamiya, and I don't think you could use either as an example of them being at fault regarding contract requirements
same with this trash post
There's also a heavy dash of "Just world" going about.
tareqsalah1
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I dont know, im starting to see a trend here.
Phantom dust.....
Fable legends...
Scalebound....
Even if these games are not going to be big hits xbox needs to keep them to keep the fans trust.
Sony kept the last gaurdian after 8 years of development even though its not a big seller and the fans appreciat that
Phantom dust.....
Fable legends...
Scalebound....
Even if these games are not going to be big hits xbox needs to keep them to keep the fans trust.
Sony kept the last gaurdian after 8 years of development even though its not a big seller and the fans appreciat that
C
Contica
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Really? We're down to kindergarden "he started it" nonsense now? It takes two to tango.
Now let's get back to Scalebound.
I'm sad.
It doesn't matter how passionate a studio is or how hard working, developers are reliant on a reasonable time and a budget. And considering it's Activision we should probably be amazed they're as decent as they are.
InquisitorAles
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People keeps reminding TLG, but the difference is TLG was made by internal Sony studio, and Scalebound is third-party project. This is not the same situation.
I assume Rime would be a more appropriate comparison?
Barrel Cannon
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Was multiplayer even part of the original trailers? I can't even remember but I feel like that was only from this recent e3. If that's the case I wouldn't be surprised if that was a late added feature on Microsofts request.... it would also explain why they removed the trailers from YouTube so we forget #conspiracy
Killer Queen
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Mr. Smiley
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The CG (first) trailer implied it with multiple dragons and riders joining in.
The first gameplay walkthrough did the same.
It's simplifying the issue but fundamentally I agree with this.
TLG was never going to set the world alight sales wise but it's a solid enough game with its release taking on a more symoblic value.
Likewise with Shenmue 3. Positioning themselves behind the kickstarter and offering undisclosed money backing was very shrewd reputationally if not financially.
InquisitorAles
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Yes, Rime was abandoned by Sony and was made with help of other publisher. Still not the same situation since MS have rights on Scalebound IP.
Is Sony owns Rime IP?
Id rather Microsoft release Scalebound. Game was probably almost finished. Saw potential in this one. Besides 3rd party games Xbox 2017 is looking meager on the releases. Never cared for Crackdown so Cuphead is probably the only one I'll pick up so far. Announcing some new first party titles would be in Microsofts best interest because right now they're looking like trash.
I can think of a bunch of Ps4 games i want and only 1 from xbox smh.
I can think of a bunch of Ps4 games i want and only 1 from xbox smh.
SF is a Nintendo game, Platinum basically only created assets. Delays are on Miyamoto, not them.
Games being hot garbage or commercial failures have nothing to do with meeting deadlines and milestones.
I'll ask you again, do you know of Platinum ever missing deadlines, milestones or having trouble shipping a game? Why is it suddenly happening with Microsoft? Maybe because, as insiders reported, they made milestones unachievable on purpose, so that they could cancel the game?
SmokedMeat
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How was Transformers trash?
http://store.steampowered.com/app/338930
http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/transformers-devastation
It probably had a smaller budget then Activision's shitty Spider-Man games too.
Dargor
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They sold it back to the studio it seems.
Chobel
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Rime was initially Sony's IP, but IIRC they sold it to Tequila after they abandoned the project.
given the very small amount we've seen of crackdown i'm not even sure we're going to be getting that this year.
Barrel Cannon
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Alright thanks, my memory failed me then.
plasmawave
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Sounds exactly like what happened with Phantom Dust.
If there is one thing that Platinum is known for, besides great character action combat, its efficiency. They have delivered projects on time and budget consistently under various publishers. Heck they were brought in to finish work on MGR and Star Fox when others were struggling. That is why so many of us find it so hard to believe that Platinum was having issues with deadline. Combine that with the fact that this not the first horror story to come out of MS third party relationship (it's not even the first one this generation).
Is MS willing to give rights back to Platinum?
CassidyIzABeast
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I doubt it. The game went into "2017" release window limbo way back in 2015.
You do realize that the term "more appropriate comparison" is not the same as "identical situation"?
InquisitorAles
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Not sure if Platinum will be even barely interested in buying Scalebound IP if there will be chance to do this, if they possibly failed to make working game with MS money. Rime is small indie title, while Scalebound was supposed to become a new AAA hit. And as it was mentioned here several times, Platinum games is guns for hire, they are not working with their own IP's.
CouchMaster
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PG Transformers is trash? WTF is wrong with some of you?
No, but small budgets and short development time are, which was almost certainly the case.
Microsoft's business practices in regard to first party development, the dangling carrot approach to games shown and never being released.... It seems that Microsoft are in a really, really bad spot here in terms of perception. This E3 will probably be the most important for them in quite some time.
That being said, I wonder if Scorpio will be Microsofts last hardware console attempt.
That being said, I wonder if Scorpio will be Microsofts last hardware console attempt.
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