As stated earlier in the thread, there devs that benefit greatly from working with Microsoft and speak highly of the relationship. Playground Games (Forza Horizon series) and High Moon (Ori and the Blind Forest).
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As stated earlier in the thread, there devs that benefit greatly from working with Microsoft and speak highly of the relationship. Playground Games (Forza Horizon series) and High Moon (Ori and the Blind Forest).
Kazuo Hirai
I really want everyone to know how much more Titanfall 2 sold than Nioh. It was a staggering amount.
To be honest ,ps4 exclusive for Jan: Gr2,Yakuza0,
Miku, KH(seems go pc later) compare to Xbox exclusive this year list, what's your thoughts. Phil's confidence make me confuse
Miku, KH(seems go pc later) compare to Xbox exclusive this year list, what's your thoughts. Phil's confidence make me confuse
Theslammer
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Halo Wars 2 next month.
Lalalandia
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How nice to be in a position with enough cash on hand or personal means to be able to bat back bad or abusive contracts. I'm not even accepting the idea that PG were on the bad end of abusive contract practices but to pretend they don't exist is just daft. For example very few people want the 'flexibility' zero-hour contracts offer but the folks pushed onto them aren't exactly drowning in offers of better employment.
Weltall Zero
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The implication is that deadlines were set and/or altered after signing the contract; not much they can do if that's the case. If it turns out that the deadlines were specified in the contract and Platinum simply overestimated their capacity to deliver them, then indeed they would be the ones at fault.
Unfortunately, it's unlikely we will ever know. As I said, even assuming any of them were to tell what really happened, nothing any side says is probably going to change the mind of the other side's fans. Even if Platinum went on to say that the deadlines were changed, Microsoft fans will go on to believe they were at fault, and indeed, I won't believe anything from Microsoft.
For any consensus to be reached, it'd take Microsoft admitting they changed deadlines to impossible goals, or Platinum admitting they were given reasonable, unchanging deadlines they failed to meet. I don't see either happening.
Like I said earlier, obviously Microsoft thought they'd save more money by cancelling now then paying for another 8+ months of development for a game that was getting luke-warm reactions online and was apparently missing milestones.
Leyasu
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Lmao.. neoGAF believe!!
Why wouldn't he?!
Prime crotch
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As an adult then you should be in the known as some situations force you into unfavorable contracts and the power dynamics that come involved with it.
That's not how it really works for independent developers of a certain size in the industry. If you're "an adult" you should probably educate yourself on the challenges people face in their jobs and the power dynamics in contract work before trying to sound like a rational tough guy.
shanafan
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Like any major company, he has to report to a board of directors and senior leaders, especially a CFO. If they feel the game will not be profitable and will be a loss for the company, they can tell him to scrap it.
Phil is not the end all, be all of Xbox.
Take a look at Microsoft's senior leaders, Phil is nowhere to be found:
http://news.microsoft.com/microsoft...dzlsvcpxxe6trua2ii1kqkdnv#Wg5SoVIEHMIL3zz7.97
I'm not sure Nintendo want to buy them after the Failure of Star Fox, even if this is not 100% of their fault.
I think Nier Automa will throw them more on S-E or Sony Hands.
I'm baffled by people throwing "milestones" as some kind of trick word to make it look like lazy devs at Platinum are responsible for this.
Platinum is a mercenary studio. They worked under various contracts with often low budgets and short dev times and they were always able to deliver something. They were hitting these milestones from Activision, Nintendo, Konami and so on easily. Imagine what Microsoft demanded if they couldn't get it done now.
We don't know any details on what happened, but giving Microsoft the benefit of the doubt after taking past events into consideration is insane here.
Platinum is a mercenary studio. They worked under various contracts with often low budgets and short dev times and they were always able to deliver something. They were hitting these milestones from Activision, Nintendo, Konami and so on easily. Imagine what Microsoft demanded if they couldn't get it done now.
We don't know any details on what happened, but giving Microsoft the benefit of the doubt after taking past events into consideration is insane here.
Gameblog...
The Wonderful 101, Bayonetta 2, Star Fox, bomb after bomb.
And they are working with CyGames, it's not like after Nier 2 they are free to go.
Mystic_Wanderer
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So, create something of value. This isn't a charity. Nobody can enter into a bad contract unless they want to. If they ever even did. I never said they don't exist.
Take this convo. If I told you to send me $500 right now for rights to read this post, it'd be absurd. Right? But if you did it, who's the dumb one?
martino
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Nintendo would be more than ever be the place where AA+ good gameplay is
Boards of Canada
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Star Fox's failure has more to do with Nintendo than Platinum. Technically, the game is quite impressive (60 fps x 2 screens). It's the controls (via Nintendo) that suck.
Dear God no. That would be criminal.
I can't help but think of The Last Guardian.
It makes me glad that Sony didn't ditched it.
I personally don't like MS but I was looking forward to this game, always had a soft spot for dragon riding game:
I've hoped that Scalebound was going to scratch that Panzer Dragoon Saga itch.
It's really a shame.
Disagree Guy
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With 2017 looking like one of the best years in recent memory for the PS4.... that lineup on XB is laughable.
I actually laughed when I saw that. If I had an xbox I'd be buying none of them games.
Obviously I'm not gonna start going 'lol xbox dead' n stuff but if I owned an xboxone i'd be pissed
Glass Rebel
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Hilarious comparison.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Holy fucking shit, my shitty memory failed me. I just realized that Platinum made METAL GEAR RISING.
FUCKKKK. I don't know why but this is making me more upset. Platinum Games with big budget is always a masterful experience.
FUCKKKK. I don't know why but this is making me more upset. Platinum Games with big budget is always a masterful experience.
Jaded Alyx
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Not that I think this will happen, but how many games have they worked on for SE? 1? For Sony? 0? So far it's 3 for Nintendo.
Chobel
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Gonna call bullshit on this one.
Dargor
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Riiight, because thats exactly how these contracts are made lol
Isn't it more like 5. W101, Bayonetta port, Bayonetta 2, Star Fox, Star Fox Guard?
Okay let's talk about contracts. Here's another example, send me $500 right now over Paypal and I won't ban you in 2 hours. You can't be forced into bad contracts unless you want to!
So Sega will buy them.
Lionel Richie
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Anyone who says Transformers Devestation is a bad game is going to have to fight me!!!!
Me too, that game is seriously incredibly awesome.
I mean, you. What you wrote makes me think this.
Mystic_Wanderer
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How about you comment on the content of my posts and keep needless comments like tough guy to yourself?
I don't doubt they face challenged. So do many, many, many other successful companies. Unfair is government controlling production and only legally allowing a corporation or entity terrible terms. No such compulsion here. If PGA signed a bad contract and got burned, it's on them.
Either self fund and make money, take a loan and make money, or sign elsewhere for more favorable terms.
Weltall Zero
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"No side, but against all evidence I'm choosing to assume Platinum signed a contract with clearly specified deadlines that weren't changed later on, so I can pin all blame on them".
Attack You
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One of those games that starts with a T is the scourge of that overrated Japanese developer who don't know how deadlines work. Let's just cover all our bases here.Anyone who says Transformers Devestation is a bad game is going to have to fight me!!!!
Lalalandia
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The contract offer is the wrong way around, if you offered me $500 to read the post and I was only a few hours away from seeing my dream die I might take that. Even if the terms of the contract allowed you to demand I do so 'in a way you saw fit' which I thought meant 'in a suit and tie' but were later revealed to mean 'while skateboarding naked and smearing yourself with baked beans'.
Contracts are full of language that can be abusive or not depending on the parties to the contract and how much goodwill they bring to the table. It is entirely possible MS saw the game, were unhappy and decided to save themselves additional development and marketing costs by setting unachievable milestones so as to avoid the contract cancellation terms by making it a 'for cause' termination. Truth is we'll likely never know, contracts are private and the japanese dev culture is particularly tight lipped about such things on top of that but the dividing line is rarely as stark as good contract / bad contract on the day of signing
Mystic_Wanderer
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The comparison is meaningless.
What I intended you to parse from what I said is, if one party makes stupid and nonsensical demands, but the other agrees to it, whose fault is it?
If GAF was an indicator of a larger community then all of Platinum's games would be million sellers and Clinton would be president.
It's time to move on ._.
I'm starting to suspect that you don't know what a red colored name means.
He is attempting to give you a hint that you are stubbornly refusing to accept.
Primethius
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"Don't sign bad contracts" is such an ignorant point of view.
Just take a good look at contract law in the US and you'll see so many provisions dealing with the imbalance of power between parties and the remedies in available when the imbalance is too great.
Contracts aren't generally fair or balanced for both sides. Especially for contractual work.
Just take a good look at contract law in the US and you'll see so many provisions dealing with the imbalance of power between parties and the remedies in available when the imbalance is too great.
Contracts aren't generally fair or balanced for both sides. Especially for contractual work.
Skeletos311
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That sucks. The game looked like fun, even if the main character was a douche.
Ravage_Hydra
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Didn't know GR2 and KH where coming to PC? Guess i'll wait for the PC release
Why buy them tho? They dont own any of the IP they worked on do they? Just keep funding them like they have in the past
And they will still be on Cygames payroll for a couple of years
But who knows. I do think they fit well together
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Sounds like something someone here would assume so I don't buy it but the huge mutual respect Nintendo has for Platinum and vice versa, it wouldn't be that farfetched.
I see them moreso working together again rather than such an investment.
Weltall Zero
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Anyone who says Transformers Devestation is a bad game is going to have to fight me!!!!
I would say "and me", but really, they won't. Because I'll stick a knife in their ribs before they can put up their guard.
Mystic_Wanderer
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Oh, there's evidence (apparently a lot?) MS changed the terms? I won't even hold you to a lot. How about you provide even one iota of "evidence" showing that.
I'd imagine MS (or any company, really) would rather set the franchise and its assets on fire than sell it to the competition.
Relaxed Muscle
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TBH Kamiya has possibly a freedom and status inside PG, that he might hard difficult to find in other places, that said he might feel that the only way to make the games he wants is in another company.
Maybe he can join Tango games lol
Maybe he can join Tango games lol
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