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"scalebound site:neogaf.com"
Tons of threads. Scalebound was also consistently referenced as one of the big games to look forward to on XB1.
There was lots of hype.
Scalebound cancelled [Platinum Games and Kamiya have commented]
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"scalebound site:neogaf.com"
Tons of threads. Scalebound was also consistently referenced as one of the big games to look forward to on XB1.
There was lots of hype.
intheinbetween
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Has anyone confirmed MS manipulated milestones in Scalebound's development? All I have read is speculation so far, no proof at all
onemanasylum
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SO you have proof that's all there was too it? Rumour is they were missing deadlines because MS would not compromise and meddled, made goals unattainable despite them being told it would not work, who knows what's true, but you are naive to think that sometimes pubs, /management can be pig headed and meddle and ruin a project. I've seen it happen in my field and we know it has happened in gaming before,
Creative divides happen and can ruin a project if management doesn't listen, that's business.
Yes, I am sure this game was in a wonderful state and had no problems. There was a reason funding stopped... because the game was obviously not progressing. But I'm sorry, I guess Platinum harbors none of the blame here at all.
paragonpro
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Those games were both multiplatform though? I dont think they "stole" anything. This thread, the cancellation, and the specualtion about what happened just seems to be pissing people off more than anything. I havent seen gaf this negative in a while. Im ready to belive that microsoft was at fault here, especially after phantom dust but we should wait until we have the full story before jumping to conclusions
lukeskymac
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Where is this "Nintendo will buy them" thing coming from? I know they collab'ed in W101, Bayo2 and StarFox Zero (lol), but none of those sold really well, and the latest one was really mediocre (Nintendo's fault mostly, but does anyone think they'd admit it?). An acquisition wouldn't make a lot of sense.
this is every game on every platform that either gets cancelled or loses its exclusivity.
Uno Venova
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Right, and it's possible them missing deadlines could have been due to impossible to reach expectations from milestone manipulation. I don't see how it matters that it looks rough when it was still in the middle of development, and that there has been positive feedback to the closed doors presentations.
Just rumors from insiders but no official sources yet and even then it may be years until we hear from an inside source ala Phantom Dust.
SargerusBR
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Everyone saying the game was terrible and no-one was excited for it when it was still literally the #1 anticipated Xbox One exclusive on the yearly poll.
So you'd expect people still had plenty of expectations for the project. Obviously seeing the most anticipated title get cancelled will stir up some outrage here. I mean, 2017 is looking pretty dire.
So you'd expect people still had plenty of expectations for the project. Obviously seeing the most anticipated title get cancelled will stir up some outrage here. I mean, 2017 is looking pretty dire.
intheinbetween
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Then it's pointless to blame MS of manipulating milestones or deadlines.
onemanasylum
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It's all speculation and discussion at this point, like most threads.
Of course not, it is just obvious that the game was having major issues. Even Eurogamer said as much. Which would cause Microsoft (or anyone else) to meddle and be pig-headed because they are funding it to the tune of millions. It was too ambitious and was in development hell, so Microsoft found a way to pull out of what they thought was a bad deal. That is simply what I am seeing here and nothing more.
Edited my comment to you above.
Uno Venova
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What kind of confirmation are you looking for?
Nightengale
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The game they showed at Gamescom/E3 looked like hot garbage but conceptually I was still wayyyy more interested at the ideas and ambition shown in Scalebound than every MS game announced this gen except Sunset Overdrive & Sea of Thieves. (which also depends whether or not it has story or is 100% self-made narrative)
Also the game didnt look Bayonetta good, but didnt look like trash, it mostly lacked that oomph.
And they apparently had yet to show the main feature (Dragon Link) to the public.
shanafan
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onemanasylum
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Maybe, or maybe the game was having issues with the things MS demanded and would not budge on, then it would be on MS,,,that's what people are saying. It does happen....
SmartWaffles
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Look at the news after a day my reaction is still "HOW DID THIS HAPPEN".
Maybe not that specifically but signs are pointing to it being their fault the project is dead. I'd link to the tweets if I had the time to dig through this thread for them.
And what I am saying is that there is a reason Microsoft would resort to such measures. Because just maybe the game was not shaping up too well and was not worth the investment. Nah, that would be too logical of an explanation. It was obviously going to be a blockbuster and Microsoft cancelled it anyway out of spite and shadiness.
Regardless of whether nintendo does or not, Nintendo and Microsoft are substantially different.
onemanasylum
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Again, as has been explained....or the game was in that sate because of MS demands/Meddling that were simply out of scope/unattainable and they would not budge....it has and does happen.... I have seen it in my field as well, saw a million dollar project ruined because of poor management despite technical people telling them it should be done different.
shanafan
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After the Switch's presentation this week, the Scalebound news will be swept under the rug. Nothing can be changed about its status nor look forward to updates, so it will be old news before you know it.
Nintendo has a pretty long history with taking on "losers" to help bolster their lineup. It wasn't that long ago that Treasure was in basically the same spot as Platinum, and despite its reverence within the survival horror fanbase, Fatal Frame would have been a strange choice for any first party to pick up as an exclusive, let alone Nintendo.
It sounds like handwaving, but Nintendo really doesn't operate with the same kind of logic that other companies might.
They do have stuff announced past NieR, two things actually. A Granblue game for PS4 and a new IP mobile game. Both for Cygames
CassidyIzABeast
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The game was probably in shambles.
Reckless speculation
They announced the push back to 2017 on January 4th, 2016. That means they were thinking about delaying it to 2017 back in late 2015. So at that point, if everything went swimmingly the game was still 2 years away. Kamiya's dream project isn't coming together and its a massive project so he gets stressed out and takes a break. So now 2017 is out of the question which means the addition year of dev time has now ballooned to 2 extra years. Platinum and Microsoft have their Fall 2016 meeting and the situation is fubar. The game gets canned.
Uno Venova
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Am I saying that was an impossible scenario?
Why do you think your explanation is the only logical one? There's no need for you to be shutting down other reports from people in the industry unless you have info yourself.
I am sure hat played a part, no doubt. All I am saying is that that Platinum were having issues, the game was most likely a shitshow and that is the heart of the matter, despite anything else.
There really wasn't. The one Scalebound info dump thread from last January only had about 250 posts. I wouldn't call that lots of hype.
Most people even had it as one of their predicted failures for 2017.
onemanasylum
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Maybe, my guess is there is blame on both sides, it happens unfortunately, it sucks for those involved, it's not a fun work environment.
shanafan
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Press reporting things like that maybe?
This lone tweet on almost every page in this thread. Is that it? This is the confirmation that solves the mystery?
I think we will never know. Microsoft and PT probably have a strong NDA, so the truth will never come out anytime soon. Both companies will learn from this project, and move on.
Nintendo has a new platform. This would be good timing to have Platinum start work on it. They're familiar with working on all levels of hardware (Madworld was on the Wii) and outwardly signs still point to a good relationship.
Nightengale
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Hindsight is 20/20, but I remember starkly two moments in history regarding Scalebound from Phil and Ken.
http://www.polygon.com/2014/3/24/55...x-one-exclusive-from-a-wonderful-japanese-dev
http://www.dualshockers.com/2015/01...game-ken-lobb-hypes-platinums-xbox-one-title/
Ken Lobb pls.
http://www.polygon.com/2014/3/24/55...x-one-exclusive-from-a-wonderful-japanese-dev
http://www.dualshockers.com/2015/01...game-ken-lobb-hypes-platinums-xbox-one-title/
Ken Lobb pls.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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It's Kamiya, so it doesn't really add up that the game was bad enough to cancel due to it's quality. There are more than a few scenarios that are far more believable, especially considering the insider info we have.
The latter.
I am not shutting down anything, lol. I am only stating what I think is the logical explanation. As I cannot believe that they would waste millions with no intention of making a great game. I simply think that they decided to stop funding what they no longer thought was worth it because it was not progressing as it should. This is just what makes sense to me. That's all.
Chobel
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LMFAO!
Its a negative MS thread. Speculations, accusations, and constipation will always be the end result.
So? Horizon was on a ton of people's lists as well. You think people wouldn't care if it got canned?
You're not excited for the exclusive content in FIFA 18??
I thought something was up. It felt like an extremely ambitious project, but all the early returns looked promising. I'd almost rather it enter development hell than get outright canceled, as at least it could pull a TLG and come out a decade later.
Sad to see the game get cancelled. It was one of the first games I saw that really sold me on the idea that this is a truly "new" generation.
Sad to see the game get cancelled. It was one of the first games I saw that really sold me on the idea that this is a truly "new" generation.
30yearsofhurt
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They sure do know how to talk stuff up.
I mean, I'm sure the situation has evolved over time between MS and PG, but the fact also is that the market has changed, probably vs expectations too, when compared to when the deal was signed.
Add to that two different visions (allegedly), MS pushing MP and "game as a service", and also imo a timing that cannot be a coincidence (right after the Holidays when MS now knows what their 2016 sales have been, including their busiest of the year), and things might have been decided after a review of upcoming projects and to streamline things out?
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