esmith08734
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Time for Kamiya to take a leave of absence. If I were him, I would make a small statement to address the fans and then vanish. The guy needs a break and this is the type of stuff that will really weigh you down.
Scalebound cancelled [Platinum Games and Kamiya have commented]
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"We are so disappointed we have to cancel your game. Please understand".
Honestly I didn't find the game to be that interesting to begin with.
That being said, I hope everyone at Platinum is doing well, and Platinum didn't get screwed from this. I really want to see Platinum games succeed, they have so many gems. I do wonder if any bridges were burnt.
That being said, I hope everyone at Platinum is doing well, and Platinum didn't get screwed from this. I really want to see Platinum games succeed, they have so many gems. I do wonder if any bridges were burnt.
Yep. Sucks for both sides. The money MS threw at it probably hurt like hell to cancel it.
onemanasylum
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Beyond ridiculous isn't it?
stan423321
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It makes perfect sense. "Wanna play a Platinum game (and don't have old hardware or PC)? Yeah, better buy a PS4." And their description mentions avoiding the game equivalent of mercy kill.
They could be playing up Drakengard connection as well, it's perhaps what allowed the picture to get released, but the timing is very important here. Social media is all about timing.
Next week. In game magazines.
Dude, stop. It's not a dig at Scalebound no matter how you slice it.
You're just digging a deeper hole by doubling down. Just say that you didn't know about the very obvious Drakengard connection and just take the L.
RichiRamjag
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Yeah...Sure. 😒
Both the Neir and Nioh demo/alpha/beta prove that demos can excite people for smaller niche game titles. I'm pulling for both. I want to see more out of Japan like the old days.
sixteen-bit
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I saw a tweet stating mental health issues, but I don't know if that has been substantiated.
I doubt it
The money had already been spent and accounted for. They had already budgeted it and was included in the expenses of the previous years
Instead MS got to free some money that would have been earmarked for scalebound in 2017. Basically free money to the game division
MS is not an individual who remembers that they spent some money on scalebound years ago. Once their budget for 2016 got closed, they forgot about it
FFXV can't catch a break. Being dragged in this mess.
stan423321
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The thing is, I checked for it before posting (well, specifically I checked if NieR had dragons, but it still counts), so that would be wrong. I stand by my belief that the primary intent of that post is a reference to Scalebound cancellation.
Chobel
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Old hardware or PC? Merci kill? What the hell are you talking about?
The game was originally due for release in 2016 though and got delayed by a whole year, so they're not getting any money back on the project unless Platinum came in under budget through the original timeline.
If anything, I'd say the fact the tweet points out the system in particular combined with the timing is what makes it seem questionable. Plus the wink emote at the end. Clearly the original ad image was produced pretty far in advance to link it with Drakengard, but the tweet text was formulated suspiciously. Regardless, I'd say it was more of a dig at MS than at Scalebound, and there's just as much chance that there's nothing to it at all.
Head.spawn
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RIP Scalebound, hardly knew you.
Think I'm done with this topic as it seems like it's just breeding toxicity at the moment.
Gonna preorder Nier and keep my fingers crossed for a mythical Kamiya DMC for the 5th year in a row.
Think I'm done with this topic as it seems like it's just breeding toxicity at the moment.
Gonna preorder Nier and keep my fingers crossed for a mythical Kamiya DMC for the 5th year in a row.
Crayon
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This post makes zero sense.
Chobel
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He/she not wrong except maybe the part about free money, because it's a bit more complicated than that.
Google "Sunk cost"
Right. They financed the game and the game failed. That's not money they are getting back. So, yeah, it hurts for all involved.
They're trying to "troll" Microsoft, not Platinum. There have been countless examples of community managers (especially in smaller regions) posting misguided snarky comments whenever the competitor made an unpopular move.
They don't target them exclusively. Obscure references aren't how you get new people interested in niche series.
RichiRamjag
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So instead you reference a obscure/niche game most people don't care or even know about?
Folks are trying to make something out of nothing.
Have to wonder if Platinum got paid at all if they were missing milestones tho
You do realise sunk cost is just money you've spent you can't get back?
There's no free/forgotten money about it. It was a failure.
Anyone who knows anything about NieR and Drakengaurd series would not come to conclusions that some of you are reaching for.
NieR also comes out in few weeks. What do you want them to do? Not advertise?
Finally, you introduce new people to series by telling them what it is about. Death of dragons and other stuff is referencing major plot points in the series. You don't introduce new comers by telling them "that's 2B, she kills stuff."
NieR also comes out in few weeks. What do you want them to do? Not advertise?
Finally, you introduce new people to series by telling them what it is about. Death of dragons and other stuff is referencing major plot points in the series. You don't introduce new comers by telling them "that's 2B, she kills stuff."
Spyder_Monkey
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Oh poor Microsoft for spending money they can't get back. I'm pretty sure this is how they feel right now.
Vegetable Lasagna
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lol this thread.
No. They worked for free. Of course they got paid. How would they live for three years without a salary.
I believe it was implied in one tweet that they were not getting paid for the last year, or at least there had been withheld payments during that time.
I am certain that Xbox division doesn't feel like that and hasn't felt like that all generation.Oh poor Microsoft for spending money they can't get back. I'm pretty sure this is how they feel right now.
Not indeed at all. The project will have a defined change management process and termination clauses.
The way people think these things are like bedroom projects on here is crazy sometimes.
Platinum signed up to what they did and will of negotiated prior to the signing. Microsoft didn't just go "haha, got you!".
Bitch Pudding
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It is a basic economic principle. You always invest in the future, not to give money you spent in the past a meaning / get it back.
Also, don't argue with die hard fanboys who'll eat whatever MS serves for dinner.
Spyder_Monkey
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The Xbox division isn't a separate company. They are apart of one of the largest companies in the world.
They must have had an item budgeted to pay Platinum upon the game being completed
Really doubt they paid that money if the game was cancelled
Therefore, that item is now free to use somewhere else
Gotdatmoney
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I mean even if it was a troll is it really that big a deal? Why are people acting like it matters?
sir_kevith
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You have to think in terms of project management. I work in the public sector and we'll have projects that go on hold for years. The project might be to revitalize some equipment or some such but if there's no budget for it at the end of the fiscal year it just stops being worked on even if we personally feel it's a priority.
In the private sector they will just cancel the project because that money is gone and they're not thinking about what they spent. They can only look at the budget they have now.
You do understand that there's not always some golden middle road in life that is the absolute truth? It's possible that one side is entirely in the wrong, maybe not in cancelling the project but how they handled that. If all the twitter murmur is true, this was all on Microsoft abusing their power as the publisher. Maybe there were some problems with development but good publishers try to help devs through those troubles, not just fuck up development with unreasonable milestones and refusing to budge when creators ask to make some changes to the game that would help them finish it.
They are not part of Microsoft's core strategy anymore.
That's why all of this is happening, most likely.
Which by and large doesn't give a single fuck about the Xbox division, to be honest.
Xbox is not getting a blank check.
Yeah, totally the same. Christ.
stan423321
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Scalebound was apparently trending globally yesterday, and we're talking about social media here. The post's a product of its moment. It won't make much sense otherwise.
I wonder how will people try to figure out this blog post from Pi Foundation without looking up the date or noticing tags within a year or two.
Me too.
The man must be crushed. He was making his dream game, it being cancelled must be a hard big-ass pill to swallow.
Microsoft was really lucky with Sega bowing out of the hardware race when they did, them and Tecmo alone are probably 80% of the Xbox's Japanese lineup.
But Microsoft was definitely making an effort then, no doubt.
That is operating on a much tighter budget and scrutiny within said organization. There still MS investors who want Xbox gone.
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