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[deadlast]

has there been a summary posted anywhere?

Imagine what would be his response to questions he would want to answer. That's all the summary you need.

 

[sugarhigh4242]

We're supposed to believe that exactly at the moment that Assange was wanted for rape he was declared Public Enemy No. 1 by the US and with black ops squads in hot pursuit he barely managed to make it into the embassy. Or maybe that infamous sealed secret indictment was misfiled for 16 months and suddenly the US realized he was a wanted man.

Or you can be one of the sheeple who does not believe Assange.

You've got the timeline backward. The rape allegations are said to have happened in august 2010. Assange was already enemy of the state with the release of the "Collateral Murder" video in April 2010 and the US diplomatic cables release beginning in February 2010. These cables had been teased for some time, wikileaks having released an encrypted archive of the cables via bittorrent that was intended as a kind of dead man's switch in case somebody tried to prevent the complete release.

The timing is even more suspicious because in August 2010, Assange gave the full archive to a reporter with the Guardian"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite...k#September_2011_release_of_unredacted_cables

 

[sugarhigh4242]

Multiple courts have ruled he is at a stage in the Swedish judicial process that equates to being charged. The final interview is a unique formality in Swedish law before charges are filed officially. He will be charged with rape as soon as he does the interview.

He did the interview in november. Still waiting on those charges.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2...e-to-face-swedish-prosecutors-over-accusation

 

[sugarhigh4242]

Russia, keep killing journalists and waging illegal wars, you're ok with your shirtless leader.

It's funny because Wikileaks is arguably best known for releasing video of US helicopter gunning down Reuters journalists in an illegal war.

Also, free Chelsea Manning.

 

[TestOfTide]

It's funny because Wikileaks is arguably best known for releasing video of US helicopter gunning down Reuters journalists in an illegal war.

Also, free Chelsea Manning.

Manning recklessly gave classified info to a shady organization. She deserves to be in prison.

And that wasn't ALL that Wikileaks released. They also released EVERYTHING THEY HAD on Afghanistan, including sensitive info on which afghans were covertly working with US Soldiers.

Wikileaks put numerous people in danger, but you don't give a shit because all you care about is "fuck the US foreign policy".

 

[sugarhigh4242]

Manning recklessly gave classified info to a shady organization. She deserves to be in prison.

And that wasn't ALL that Wikileaks released. They also released EVERYTHING THEY HAD on Afghanistan, including sensitive info on which afghans were covertly working with US Soldiers.

I'm glad that you didn't try to defend the honor of the US murdering journalists relative to the evil Soviets. Also, it's hardly the only time the US has targeted journalists. US forces have bombed 2 of Al Jazeera's bureaus in Kabul and Iraq.

According to anonymous officials, there's a transcript of George W. Bush expressing interest in bombing Al Jazeera offices to Tony Blair:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/22/AR2005112201784.html

 

[BlastProcessing]

What do you call an organization who receives primary documents from a source, verifies the accuracy of those documents, and then releases that information to the public

A core component of journalism is accountability. Without that, I would call Wikileaks power hungry and dangerous.

 

[Beefy]

I'm glad that you didn't try to defend the honor of the US murdering journalists relative to the evil Soviets. Also, it's hardly the only time the US has targeted journalists. US forces have bombed 2 of Al Jazeera's bureaus in Kabul and Iraq.

According to anonymous officials, there's a transcript of George W. Bush expressing interest in bombing Al Jazeera offices to Tony Blair:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/22/AR2005112201784.html

Why have we got from Assange not wanting to face justice to war crimes?

 

[sugarhigh4242]

Why have we got from Assange not wanting to face justice to war crimes?

From this curious post:

It's fucking hilarious to ask for oversight from the West while being completely silent for the other countries too.
Hey France, we need to be sure you do things with proper oversight and stuffs.
Russia, keep killing journalists and waging illegal wars, you're ok with your shirtless leader.

 

[sugarhigh4242]

A core component of journalism is accountability. Without that, I would call Wikileaks power hungry and dangerous.

Wikileaks has literally never released false information. Where's the accountability for Washington Post's recent run of utterly false stories including the fake "PropOrNot" list of alleged Kremlin-sympathizer news websites, and the one about Russia hacking a power plant in Vermont?

 

[TestOfTide]

I'm glad that you didn't try to defend the honor of the US murdering journalists relative to the evil Soviets. Also, it's hardly the only time the US has targeted journalists. US forces have bombed 2 of Al Jazeera's bureaus in Kabul and Iraq.

According to anonymous officials, there's a transcript of George W. Bush expressing interest in bombing Al Jazeera offices to Tony Blair:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/22/AR2005112201784.html

And if THAT was all that Wikileaks and Manning had released I wouldn't have taken issue with their Afghanistan leaks.

But they didn't just release that. They released everything they had, including stuff that endangered the lives of Afghan people.

Wikileaks has literally never released false information. Where's the accountability for Washington Post's recent run of utterly false stories including the fake "PropOrNot" list of alleged Kremlin-sympathizer news websites, and the one about Russia hacking a power plant in Vermont?

They redacted the power plant story after finding out t was false, because unlike Wikileaks the Washington Post actually cares about journalistic integrity.

Meanwhile YOU have defended Wikileaks like a fucking video game fanboy.

Like yes, the US killed some journalists by mistake. So by that logic, why hasn't Wikileaks called out when the Kremlin PURPOSEFULLY kills journalists?

Why is it that when the Panama Papers were released, Wikileaks attacked the whistleblower for exposing Putin?

 

[Luschient]

Wikileaks has literally never released false information.

 

[cpp_is_king]

The only thing interesting that came out of this AMA is that he declined a request to sign a message with his private key.

He said it would be a useless endeavor since if someone else had access to those keys they could provide false assurance, but he glossed over the fact that it at least proves that he still has the private keys.

i wouldn't call this a smoking gun, but it does arouse suspicion.

 

[sugarhigh4242]

They redacted the power plant story after finding out t was false, because unlike Wikileaks the Washington Post actually cares about journalistic integrity.

Meanwhile YOU have defended Wikileaks like a fucking video game fanboy.

Like yes, the US killed some journalists by mistake. So by that logic, why hasn't Wikileaks called out when the Kremlin PURPOSEFULLY kills journalists?

Why is it that when the Panama Papers were released, Wikileaks attacked the whistleblower for exposing Putin?

Again, not a single wikileaks release has been shown to have been fraudulent. So what are you trying to imply with "unlike wikileaks..."? Their integrity of their releases thus far is beyond question. Attempts to discredit the DNC releases by Tim Kaine and others have been a total embarrassment:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...inton-wikileaks-emails-doctored-or-are-they-/

I don't see how you can just blanket say "the US killed some journalists by mistake" when #1: it's happened repeatedly and #2: there is a widely reported (though unreleased i admit) memo suggesting Bush targeted Al Jazeera intentionally? At what point is the distinction between recurring gross negligence and bad intention rendered meaningless?

 

[sugarhigh4242]

Please link to false wikileaks documents.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

Pretty amazing that so many people can look the other way on pretty much the scum of humanity being exposed because Assange or Wikileaks is a convenient antagonist for their echo chamber's version of reality.

Get a grip, folks. If you can't criticize Assange and WL without also realistically processing the information presented, then you almost certainly don't do much thinking for yourself.

Lol @ the idea that I'm supposed to be incensed that Podesta was hacked as a civilian. The kinds of things he and the rest of the campaign staff were involved in, as well as the DNC, are felonies. I don't give a fuck about the privacy of people who are deliberately and secretly working to de-democratize elections.

 

[Beefy]

Pretty amazing that so many people can look the other way on pretty much the scum of humanity being exposed because Assange or Wikileaks is a convenient antagonist for their echo chamber's version of reality.

Get a grip, folks. If you can't criticize Assange and WL without also realistically processing the information presented, then you almost certainly don't do much thinking for yourself.

Lol @ the idea that I'm supposed to be incensed that Podesta was hacked as a civilian. The kinds of things he and the rest of the campaign staff were involved in, as well as the DNC, are felonies. I don't give a fuck about the privacy of people who are deliberately and secretly working to de-democratize elections.

The word echo chamber needs to be banned.

 

[TestOfTide]

Again, not a single wikileaks release has been shown to have been fraudulent. So what are you trying to imply with "unlike wikileaks..."? Their integrity of their releases thus far is beyond question. Attempts to discredit the DNC releases by Tim Kaine and others have been a total embarrassment:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...inton-wikileaks-emails-doctored-or-are-they-/

I don't see how you can just blanket say "the US killed some journalists by mistake" when #1: it's happened repeatedly and #2: there is a widely reported (though unreleased i admit) memo suggesting Bush targeted Al Jazeera intentionally? At what point is the distinction between recurring gross negligence and bad intention rendered meaningless?

Why are you avoiding my questions? WHY HASNT WIKILEAKS CALLED OUT THE KREMLIN FOR THE SAME OR WORSE?

 

[sugarhigh4242]

Why are you avoiding my questions? WHY HASNT WIKILEAKS CALLED OUT THE KREMLIN FOR THE SAME OR WORSE?

Wikileaks is not a television pundit or op-ed section. It's for whistleblowers to release documents anonymously.

If you want wikileaks to release some documents implicating Russia, I suggest you submit some.

Assange has actually address this question more directly:

In a famous interview, you declared that at the beginning you thought that your biggest role would be in China and in some of the former Soviet states and North Africa. Quite the opposite, most of WikiLeaks' biggest revelations concern the US military-industrial complex, its wars in Afghanistan and in Iraq and its serious human rights violations in the war on terror. These abuses have had a heavy impact in an open and democratic society like the United States and produced 'dissidents' like Chelsea Manning willing to expose them. Why aren't human rights abuses producing the same effects in regimes like China or Russia, and what can be done to democratise information in those countries?

"In Russia, there are many vibrant publications, online blogs, and Kremlin critics such as [Alexey] Navalny are part of that spectrum. There are also newspapers like "Novaya Gazeta", in which different parts of society in Moscow are permitted to critique each other and it is tolerated, generally, because it isn't a big TV channel that might have a mass popular effect, its audience is educated people in Moscow. So my interpretation is that in Russia there are competitors to WikiLeaks, and no WikiLeaks staff speak Russian, so for a strong culture which has its own language, you have to be seen as a local player. WikiLeaks is a predominantly English-speaking organisation with a website predominantly in English. We have published more than 800,000 documents about or referencing Russia and president Putin, so we do have quite a bit of coverage, but the majority of our publications come from Western sources, though not always. For example, we have published more than 2 million documents from Syria, including Bashar al-Assad personally. Sometimes we make a publication about a country and they will see WikiLeaks as a player within that country, like with Timor East and Kenya. The real determinant is how distant that culture is from English. Chinese culture is quite far away".

http://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2016/12/23/news/assange_wikileaks-154754000/

Also, sorry but Russia is not in the top 10 evil regimes on the planet. I have disdain for Putin, I think the Russian government is a kind of pay-to-play gangster state. But I could name several objectively worse regimes off the top of my head, some of which are US allies. As long as the US continues arming Saudi Arabia in its wars with Bahrain and Yemen, I don't think it has any claim to humanitarianism.

 

[Veritigo_X]

Wikileaks is not a television pundit or op-ed section.

Have you seen their official twitter lately?

 

[TestOfTide]

Wikileaks is not a television pundit or op-ed section. It's for whistleblowers to release documents anonymously.

If you want wikileaks to release some documents implicating Russia, I suggest you submit some.

Assange has actually address this question more directly:



http://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2016/12/23/news/assange_wikileaks-154754000/

Also, sorry but Russia is not in the top 10 evil regimes on the planet. I have disdain for Putin, I think the Russian government is a kind of pay-to-play gangster state. But I could name several objectively worse regimes off the top of my head, some of which are US allies. As long as the US continues arming Saudi Arabia in its wars with Bahrain and Yemen, I don't think it has any claim to humanitarianism.

Except there HAVE been whistleblowers who have exposed Putin.

And what was wikileaks' response to those whistleblowers? Oh they shittalked those whistleblowers and called them US backed plants.

And you claim that Wikileaks is not in the business of commentating, yet they sure do love commenting on:

- Pizzagate
- Seth Rich
- their dissidents (by basically calling them "Jews")
- Other whistleblowers

And how the fuck are Russia NOT in your list of top ten worst current regimes when they are trying to undermine NATO (aka the organization you should be thanking for preventing WW3 for decades)?

 

[TheCochese]

What's the per post Putin payment plan?

 

[KHarvey16]

He did the interview in november. Still waiting on those charges.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2...e-to-face-swedish-prosecutors-over-accusation

The agreement between Sweden and Ecuador requires them to wait until Ecuador files their report of the proceedings. Sweden will file charges then.

 

[And_Gignac]

This won't shut up the #ProofOLife people lol

 

[TestOfTide]

Please link to false wikileaks documents.

Do their official tweets where they insist Seth Rich was killed by the DNC count?

 

[Veritigo_X]

This won't shut up the #ProofOLife people lol

To be fair to them, Assange threw a lot of fuel on that fire by not complying with their requests for proof.

The whole thing is dumb and he probably loves every minute of it.

 

[sugarhigh4242]

And how the fuck are Russia NOT in your list of top ten worst current regimes when they are trying to undermine NATO (aka the organization you should be thanking for preventing WW3 for decades)?

good lawd

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Man, Julian Assange sent me to sleep. Was watching this and I passed out through his soothing voice. :/

Updating OP right now.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Pretty amazing that so many people can look the other way on pretty much the scum of humanity being exposed because Assange or Wikileaks is a convenient antagonist for their echo chamber's version of reality.

Get a grip, folks. If you can't criticize Assange and WL without also realistically processing the information presented, then you almost certainly don't do much thinking for yourself.

Lol @ the idea that I'm supposed to be incensed that Podesta was hacked as a civilian. The kinds of things he and the rest of the campaign staff were involved in, as well as the DNC, are felonies. I don't give a fuck about the privacy of people who are deliberately and secretly working to de-democratize elections.

What felonies?

 

[Septic360]

What game was he playing?

 

[Silver Arrows]

I don't think I've ever seen someone cape so hard for Assange before.

 

[Ponn]

I don't think I've ever seen someone cape so hard for Assange before.

Trump?

 

[EatinOlives]

Pretty amazing that so many people can look the other way on pretty much the scum of humanity being exposed because Assange or Wikileaks is a convenient antagonist for their echo chamber's version of reality.

Get a grip, folks. If you can't criticize Assange and WL without also realistically processing the information presented, then you almost certainly don't do much thinking for yourself.

Lol @ the idea that I'm supposed to be incensed that Podesta was hacked as a civilian. The kinds of things he and the rest of the campaign staff were involved in, as well as the DNC, are felonies. I don't give a fuck about the privacy of people who are deliberately and secretly working to de-democratize elections.

Just to be perfectly blunt: You're a fool if you think that Assange and WikiLeaks are making an honest effort to provide objective information in the name of transparency.

Their entire MO this past year was extremely skewed. They continuously put out either entirely false or at least highly misleading information designed solely to manipulate people into believing only ONE side of the story. Not to mention constantly pulling dick moves like that one "revelation" livestream that was just a commercial for a book. Yet you're here arguing about Podesta "de-democratizing elections" despite everything the RNC and Orange Asshole did the entire election season, it's really quite clear what side of the fence you're in.

It's very rich when people swallowing information from extremely biased sources clearly pushing an agenda accuse others of being in an "echo chamber". You're not being intellectually honest in this conversation and you know that perfectly well.

 

[TestOfTide]

good lawd

I like that you have no response to ironic fact that while you leftist swine keep insisting "Oh the Democrats want WW3 with their hardline stance on Russia" the one organization that is responsible for making sure we didn't have WW3 (by keeping almost all the western countries under one alliance) is the same organization that Putin is trying to get dismantled so that he can invade the Baltic States.

While you were busy attacking "neoliberalism" like a child angry at their own insignificance, far right fascism has been taking hold across the western world and those same far right movements are all about dismantling the alliances that have helped the western world for decades.

You are nothing but a far left hack who is too busy repeating Jill Stein talking points to actually put in the effort to help progressive causes. That's why you take childish glee in seeing a man assaulted with epilepsy triggers on twitter, because Eichenwald has done more for progressive causes in one week than you have done your entire effing life.

 

[sugarhigh4242]

I like that you have no response to ironic fact that while you leftist swine keep insisting "Oh the Democrats want WW3 with their hardline stance on Russia" the one organization that is responsible for making sure we didn't have WW3 (by keeping almost all the western countries under one alliance) is the same organization that Putin is trying to get dismantled so that he can invade the Baltic States.

While you were busy attacking "neoliberalism" like a child angry at their own insignificance, far right fascism has been taking hold across the western world and those same far right movements are all about dismantling the alliances that have helped the western world for decades.

You are nothing but a far left hack who is too busy repeating Jill Stein talking points to actually put in the effort to help progressive causes.

I do love some bbq pulled pork.

 

[Messofanego]

You'd have to be pretty ignorant to believe that Wikileaks is some bipartisan objective source of whistleblowing and not a propaganda machine.

 

[TestOfTide]

I do love some bbq pulled pork.

You gonna keep speaking gibberish or are you going to own up to the fact that you support undermining the one institution that kept the western world at peace for decades?

 

[Zyae]

Wikileaks is clearly tainted by Russia at this point. Anything they release has that stain. Assange cannot be trusted. He got absolutely roasted on reddit today.

 

[radios shipping overview]

Pretty amazing that so many people can look the other way on pretty much the scum of humanity being exposed because Assange or Wikileaks is a convenient antagonist for their echo chamber's version of reality.

The scum of humanity? Really. Which echo chamber do you hail from, sir?

 

[sugarhigh4242]

You gonna keep speaking gibberish or are you going to own up to the fact that you support undermining the one institution that kept the western world at peace for decades?

gibberish.

 

[TestOfTide]

gibberish.

Well you should maybe take your own advice then:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226714257&postcount=101

You're right, I shouldn't have responded.

EDIT:

Pretty amazing that so many people can look the other way on pretty much the scum of humanity being exposed because Assange or Wikileaks is a convenient antagonist for their echo chamber's version of reality.

Get a grip, folks. If you can't criticize Assange and WL without also realistically processing the information presented, then you almost certainly don't do much thinking for yourself.

Lol @ the idea that I'm supposed to be incensed that Podesta was hacked as a civilian. The kinds of things he and the rest of the campaign staff were involved in, as well as the DNC, are felonies. I don't give a fuck about the privacy of people who are deliberately and secretly working to de-democratize elections.

For someone complaining about "echo chambers" you sure seem to live in your own echo chamber where everything is the fault of "clintonism":
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=227990531&postcount=1062
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226569983&postcount=1096
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226398435&postcount=1390
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226398273&postcount=75
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=225583315&postcount=9
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=223861623&postcount=1851
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=223860939&postcount=1844
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=223811949&postcount=4784

Tell me, since you seem to care SO much about purging "clintonism" from the Democratic Party, what have YOU done to help progressive causes?

 

[remist]

Lol "Leftist swine" Why would you think anyone would respond seriously to that shitpost?

Also how is going through post history and posting bad faith, paranoid ramblings about other posters "agenda" not a bannable offense.

 

[More Fun To Compute]

Just to be perfectly blunt: You're a fool if you think that Assange and WikiLeaks are making an honest effort to provide objective information in the name of transparency.

Their entire MO this past year was extremely skewed. They continuously put out either entirely false or at least highly misleading information designed solely to manipulate people into believing only ONE side of the story. Not to mention constantly pulling dick moves like that one "revelation" livestream that was just a commercial for a book. Yet you're here arguing about Podesta "de-democratizing elections" despite everything the RNC and Orange Asshole did the entire election season, it's really quite clear what side of the fence you're in.

It's very rich when people swallowing information from extremely biased sources clearly pushing an agenda accuse others of being in an "echo chamber". You're not being intellectually honest in this conversation and you know that perfectly well.

What could wikileaks possibly publish on Trump that was worse than what was already in public.

 

[Steel]

Pretty amazing that so many people can look the other way on pretty much the scum of humanity being exposed because Assange or Wikileaks is a convenient antagonist for their echo chamber's version of reality.

Get a grip, folks. If you can't criticize Assange and WL without also realistically processing the information presented, then you almost certainly don't do much thinking for yourself.

Lol @ the idea that I'm supposed to be incensed that Podesta was hacked as a civilian. The kinds of things he and the rest of the campaign staff were involved in, as well as the DNC, are felonies. I don't give a fuck about the privacy of people who are deliberately and secretly working to de-democratize elections.

Nothing revealed was illegal or an attempt to de-democratize elections. It's precisely because of people like you that look for someone to tar without looking at the actual facts that one-sided leaks are so dangerous.

 

[TestOfTide]

Lol "Leftist swine" Why would you think anyone would respond seriously to that shitpost?

Also how is going through post history and posting bad faith, paranoid ramblings about other posters "agenda" not a bannable offense.

As opposed to the people in this very thread who have made the same kind of remarks about Clinton fans?

And all I'm doing is posting publicly available information on certain users posting habits. I'm not the first one to do this and I won't be the last. You're acting like I'm doxing users when all I'm doing is using the search feature on their post history.

 

[Ozigizo]

Please link to false wikileaks documents.

Wait a second. Is this diablos' alt account?

 

[remist]

As opposed to the people in this very thread who have made the same kind of remarks about Clinton fans?

And all I'm doing is posting publicly available information on certain users posting habits. I'm not the first one to do this and I won't be the last. You're acting like I'm doxing users when all I'm doing is using the search feature on their post history.

It's the tenuous connection to the topic at hand and the tin foil hat implication of nefarious "agendas" or "shills" that I have a problem with not the publically available info.

 

[BlastProcessing]

Wikileaks has literally never released false information. Where's the accountability for Washington Post's recent run of utterly false stories including the fake "PropOrNot" list of alleged Kremlin-sympathizer news websites, and the one about Russia hacking a power plant in Vermont?

The Washington Post is accountable to it's readers and to US law. Accountability isn't just about whether or not what Wikileaks publishes is true or not. The publishing the truth is only one component to responsible journalism.

Actual journalists need to question the motivations of their sources, they need to only release pertinent information and not dox people in the process, they are also accountable if they intentionally withhold information for political reasons.

Wikileaks isn't a journalistic endeavor, it's a powerful man ducking a rape charge who releases information to hurt his enemies and help himself. No amount of whataboutism and finger pointing from you is going to change that fact.

 

[TestOfTide]

It's the tenuous connection to the topic at hand and the tin foil hat implication of nefarious "agendas" or "shills" that I have a problem with not the publically available info.

It's not tenuous. Their post history shows that they have a history of focusing on attacking liberals rather than admit to the blatant agendas of Russia and Wikileaks.

Note that I didn't call either of the two posters "alt-right", but instead I distinctly make the point that they fall for the Wikileaks BS due to being far left.

 

[sugarhigh4242]

Actual journalists need to question the motivations of their sources

What was the motivation of the source of the "grab her by the p---y" tape leak?