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[Gordon Shumway]

This gif

probably has more emotion and character behind it than anything I've seen from the DCEU heroes and is also why I feel the idea that Marvel can't make relatable characters is pretty strongly false. Cap feels so incredibly human, especially in his solo movies. I don't really want or need DC's movies to follow the Marvel formula exactly (though it wouldn't hurt, a little bit) but I just want the DC characters to have some emotion behind them and give me a reason to root for them. Batman vs Superman was basically "two assholes fight, the movie"

See. I don't agree with this at all..personally, of course. There was plenty of passion and emotion for their people and their futures from both Jor-El and Zod in MoS. They remain my favorite characters in that flick, which I know is not a popular opinion from either "camp" when I mention it.

And, to be honest, I can see that the Kents do love Clark..they just suck in this iteration (TO ME) and it just rubs off on him in a way that I'm not a fan of.

 

[Zen Aku]

grueling unwatchable mess, and 100% deserved the score it got. The Marvel movies may not be cinematic masterpieces, but at least they don't sap the life out of you in the most non-entertaining manner possible.

Coming out of watching BvS and Suicide Squad had me looking like.

 

[AndersK]

What I loved most about Civil War was that it caused people to go back to the first Captain America and re-evaluate it.

Still my favorite of the MCU.

Anecdotes n'all, but a couple of my friends will go on record saying they don't care much for CBM-stuff, but really like Cap and his movies. (Which means half of CW is included if we're fair. Maybe less). First Cap really nails the character of Steve Rogers and make him relatable in a way that simple connects with people. If we could slap some Winter Soldier-action in there and clean up the last act a bit i'd love it more than i do.

 

[Ryuuroden]

Dc stands for designated crap at this point.

 

[Glass Rebel]

I don't know that he's said anything about it other than the stock creative differences statement. The edgy comment is what THR reported.

I find that hard to believe because there's nothing even half as edgy as the three DCEU films in Famuyiwa's body of work. So unless they're doing a total 180...

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

This gif

probably has more emotion and character behind it than anything I've seen from the DCEU heroes and is also why I feel the idea that Marvel can't make relatable characters is pretty strongly false. Cap feels so incredibly human, especially in his solo movies. I don't really want or need DC's movies to follow the Marvel formula exactly (though it wouldn't hurt, a little bit) but I just want the DC characters to have some emotion behind them and give me a reason to root for them. Batman vs Superman was basically "two assholes fight, the movie"

I've never heard anyone say that Marvel characters can't be relatable. The popular narrative people said for decades was Marvel was more relatable due to their heroes being more street level and DC was not relatable due to their heroes being gods.

 

[DeathoftheEndless]

The First Avenger doesn't have the great action scenes of its sequels, but the characters are damn good.

My favorite scene is when Steve and Dr. Erskine have that small chat before the operation.

 

[RSTEIN]

Marvel films can be called light or quippy or whatever the word is. But they also have heart and authenticity that the Snyderverse has so far failed to replicate.

 

[black070]

This gif

That scene always gets me right in the feels.

https://youtu.be/WBUcY_cA71c

 

[Ogodei]

See. I don't agree with this at all..personally, of course. There was plenty of passion and emotion for their people and their futures from both Jor-El and Zod in MoS. They remain my favorite characters in that flick, which I know is not a popular opinion from either "camp" when I mention it.

And, to be honest, I can see that the Kents do love Clark..they just suck in this iteration (TO ME) and it just rubs off on him in a way that I'm not a fan of.

The kindhearted Kents who instilled in their son a strong sense of civic responsibility and the Kents who seem to think that good deeds are futile and that nobody owes anyone anything are both accurate representations of what you could get from a Kansas farm family (or, really, any working class American family). It's a good "what if," like "Superman: Red Son." "What if Kal-El had landed on the Bundy Ranch?"

 

[BLACKLAC]

All three of Cap's movies are in my Top 5 for the MCU

Same. Throw in Avengers 1 and Guardians and that's my top 5.

GRENADE!

 

[Zen Aku]

The First Avenger doesn't have the great action scenes of its sequels, but the characters are damn good.

My favorite scene is when Steve and Dr. Erskine have that small chat before the operation.

Still one of the best scenes in the entire MCU.

 

[Sephzilla]

See. I don't agree with this at all..personally, of course. There was plenty of passion and emotion for their people and their futures from both Jor-El and Zod in MoS. They remain my favorite characters in that flick, which I know is not a popular opinion from either "camp" when I mention it.

And, to be honest, I can see that the Kents do love Clark..they just suck in this iteration (TO ME) and it just rubs off on him in a way that I'm not a fan of.

You know, I might actually agree with you here a bit? For the record I think Man of Steel is a mediocre movie but I do think Jor-El felt like one of the few characters who really had a lot of emotion and drive to him. I also agree that they totally dropped the ball with the Kents in this version of Superman. The characters do feel like they care a ton about Clark (Costner's "you are my son" scene is great) but they are just not very likable people

 

[SpaceWolf]

This Marvel VS DC stuff is really starting to tire me.

 

[AndersK]

My favorite scene is when Steve and Dr. Erskine have that small chat before the operation.

Yes. Such a fine scene.

And these threads are evolving man, Look at us talking about fine Cap stuff instead of Thor mediocrity. I like it.

 

[BotoxAgent]

BvS and Suicide Squad were a chore to sit through. Just simply boring and agonizing to watch.

I hope Wonder Woman to be at least not be boring.

 

[Litan]

Hoping for the best with this movie, but after BvS and SS my expectations are very low.



This is an interesting way to look at things.

BvS is a grueling unwatchable mess, and 100% deserved the score it got. The Marvel movies may not be cinematic masterpieces, but at least they don't sap the life out of you in the most non-entertaining manner possible.

This isn't a DC vs Marvel narrative, at least not for most. I have never read a comic book in my life, and honestly grew up more familiar with he DC universe than Marvel. That said, DC's recent film outings have been utter shit. I hope they pull themselves together, because there's a lot of fun material to work with.

Yep. I grew up watching the DCAU and started reading comics with DC because of that.The Marvel stuff I read was Daredevil,Xmen, Black Panther and Spiderman.

The only MCU character I was really familiar with coming in was Hulk. I avoided characters like Cap and Ironman because they seemed kind of lame. Now I count them among my favorite Superheroes.

Meanwhile the DCEU has, so far, been nothing but dissapointment all while using some of their best characters.

 

[Blader]

You know you can get producer credit if you introduce a director to a financier? It's that loose... it is definitely meaningless because it can be earned in a lot of ways. It tells us nothing about his involvement. The same movie talk channel that sparked this thread has covered this concept about producers and how they earn credit on a film. And it's just that ambiguous.

In the broad sense, I agree. But on this particular example, Snyder very much had a creative role in the film; this isn't the typical Ridley Scott/Steven Spielberg producer rubberstamp. He hired the star, he hired (or played a role in hiring) the director, he was lobbying for (though apparently lost) for the film to be set during the Crimean War. The movie is made through his and his wife's production company. Snyder is not completely hands-off with WW.

 

[guek]

This Marvel VS DC stuff is really starting to tire me.

Only just now? I commend you for lasting this long.

 

[DeathoftheEndless]

Still one of the best scenes in the entire MCU.

Yeah, that was another one that came to mind. And I don't see many people bring it up, but Tommy Lee Jones was great in that movie.

 

[Glass Rebel]

Still one of the best scenes in the entire MCU.

my man

Cap 1 one of the most underappreciated CBMs

 

[Sephzilla]

This Marvel VS DC stuff is really starting to tire me.

sorry, i did kind of help stoke that fire a bit

 

[Lebron]

The First Avenger doesn't have the great action scenes of its sequels, but the characters are damn good.

My favorite scene is when Steve and Dr. Erskine have that small chat before the operation.

Chris Evans Cap is the Superman we deserve

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

I don't wanna live in a world where Captain Marvel has to save female superhero movies.

 

[broncobuster]

I find that hard to believe because there's nothing even half as edgy as the three DCEU films in Famuyiwa's body of work. So unless they're doing a total 180...

Depends on how you define edgy. The weird way it's used on the internet when someone says something you disagree with. Or how it's meant to be used. Dope is edgier than most all of these comic movies. And I can totally see Famuyiwa wanting to bring social commentary into his Flash movie, which I'm all for. But the thinking is the higher ups at Warners didn't want a heavy Flash movie.

 

[Staf]

This gif

probably has more emotion and character behind it than anything I've seen from the DCEU heroes and is also why I feel the idea that Marvel can't make relatable characters is pretty strongly false. Cap feels so incredibly human, especially in his solo movies. I don't really want or need DC's movies to follow the Marvel formula exactly (though it wouldn't hurt, a little bit) but I just want the DC characters to have some emotion behind them and give me a reason to root for them. Batman vs Superman was basically "two assholes fight, the movie"

I love that moment. Love captain america.

 

[Dalek]

Still one of the best scenes in the entire MCU.

DCCU Superman would have just kicked the grenade over to another group of soldiers. "HE SAVED HIS SQUAD. IT WAS HIS FIRST DAY ON THE JOB"

 

[Fuu]

Still one of the best scenes in the entire MCU.

Indeed. If I had to pick a scene responsible for redefining Captain America as a character for a whole generation, it would be this one.

 

[darklin0]

Eh, the pre-Whedon movies were also pretty quippy, except maybe The Incredible Hulk.

The real problem is that Marvel has no clue how to make their characters feel like somewhat real people to induce something like sympathy for their plights or interest in their behavior. They write a thin veneer of plot that they lace with quips to make it palatable as an excuse for big setpiece action scenes.

This is wrong on so many levels. lol
Pai Pai summed a few greatly.

Steve Rogers wants to live in a world where he is needed and doesn't want to lose his connection to his past. Scott Lang wants to be the hero his daughter already thinks he is. Peter Quill wants to do something with his life after being taken away from everything and everyone he ever loved, instead of just running away again.

Then we get BvS:

Batman, "I hate Superman because he acts like a god and kills whenever he wants by saying he is helping people. He must stopped!"

Superman, "I hate Batman because he acts like a judge and executioner, kills whenever he wants in the name of doing good. He must be stopped!"

Who am I supposed to relate to? The drab, god-complex, killer? Or the Angry, hypocritical killer?

 

[Glass Rebel]

Depends on how you define edgy. The weird way it's used on the internet when someone says something you disagree with. Or how it's meant to be used. Dope is edgier than most all of these comic movies. And I can totally see Famuyiwa wanting to bring social commentary into his Flash movie, which I'm all for. But the thinking is the higher ups at Warners didn't want a heavy Flash movie.

I define edgy as dark for the sake of darkness. Dope is topical and relevant in the current social climate but I wouldn't call it edgy.

 

[LionPride]

Depends on how you define edgy. The weird way it's used on the internet when someone says something you disagree with. Or how it's meant to be used. Dope is edgier than most all of these comic movies. And I can totally see Famuyiwa wanting to bring social commentary into his Flash movie, which I'm all for. But the thinking is the higher ups at Warners didn't want a heavy Flash movie.

Dope isn't what I would call edgy. Period. A psuedo coming of age story about a black kid in the hood that is funny as heck and has a couple tense moments. That's it.

 

[darklin0]

I don't wanna live in a world where Captain Marvel has to save female superhero movies.

I hope Spidey does so good they decide to push Captain Marvel and bring out Ms. Marvel instead.

Kamala Khan deserves to be on the big screen.

 

[Zen Aku]

Jor-el could have been that emotional connection we needed. But yeah just like Pa Kent, he was severely wasted. "You are my son" was such a powerful moment, I felt a bit cheated that one of the best part in the movie was already in the trailers for MoS.

Chris Evans Cap is the Superman we deserve

Be careful where you say that though. After Civil War came out, quite a few people did the whole "Cap portrayed as a better Superman than Superman." r/DC_Cinematic was not happy.

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I agree though.

DCCU Superman would have just kicked the grenade over to another group of soldiers. "HE SAVED HIS SQUAD. IT WAS HIS FIRST DAY ON THE JOB"

"But sir.. the other squad would have died if it was real.."

Superman: "MY SQUAD IS SAFE! look at them! not a scratch!"

 

[The Technomancer]

Then we get BvS:

Batman, "I hate Superman because he acts like a god and kills whenever he wants by saying he is helping people. He must stopped!"

Superman, "I hate Batman because he acts like a judge and executioner, kills whenever he wants in the name of doing good. He must be stopped!"

Who am I supposed to relate to? The drab, god-complex, killer? Or the Angry, hypocritical killer?

This is not, in and of itself, even a problem for me. I'm fine with the DC heroes being a bit more...mythical if, you know, they actually acted like it. The problem is that they can't even make them feel inspiring or praiseworthy

 

[SuperStiltzkin]

DCCU Superman would have just kicked the grenade over to another group of soldiers. "HE SAVED HIS SQUAD. IT WAS HIS FIRST DAY ON THE JOB"

He'll become the Superman we know and love in the next movie!
...okay the NEXT movie.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

This is wrong on so many levels. lol
Pai Pai summed a few greatly.


Then we get BvS:

Batman, "I hate Superman because he acts like a god and kills whenever he wants by saying he is helping people. He must stopped!"

Superman, "I hate Batman because he acts like a judge and executioner, kills whenever he wants in the name of doing good. He must be stopped!"

Who am I supposed to relate to? The drab, god-complex, killer? Or the Angry, hypocritical killer?

If I had praised DC, this would make sense.

What you quoted is just someone listing the plots of the movies, basically, not criticism of the actual artistry by which those characters are rendered. On a dramatic level, Marvel movies are as off-the-rack as they come. Batman Begins used clever editing to elucidate Bruce's character in a way that you wouldn't get from pure dialogue, the Raimi Spiderman movies are filled with little moments and lines that are both extremely telling of Parker's character while simultaneously reinforcing the everyman appeal that make him so enduring, but Marvel movies are basically just a series of 5-6/10 scripts filmed in the flattest way possible.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

You know, I might actually agree with you here a bit? For the record I think Man of Steel is a mediocre movie but I do think Jor-El felt like one of the few characters who really had a lot of emotion and drive to him. I also agree that they totally dropped the ball with the Kents in this version of Superman. The characters do feel like they care a ton about Clark (Costner's "you are my son" scene is great) but they are just not very likable people

It really bugs me out that that's a thing..seriously.

This Marvel VS DC stuff is really starting to tire me.

lol Buckle up or jump out..this ride ain't stopping!

I don't wanna live in a world where Captain Marvel has to save female superhero movies.

Nor does DC/Slayven!

Jokes aside, many don't. I'm not talking the Marv/DC extremist (which I will stop dividing soon). Man..I watch more Warner/BVista shit than anything else..it's crazy! I just wanna watch good movies. Who gives a shit what studio is releasing it? I mean, BESIDES the studios..or producers..or execs? Is everyone's dad working at these studios? Geezuz..lol.

I love that moment. Love captain america.

Spoiler

 

[Pai Pai Master]

This is not, in and of itself, even a problem for me. I'm fine with the DC heroes being a bit more...mythical if, you know, they actually acted like it. The problem is that they can't even make them feel inspiring or praiseworthy

Yep, it may not be 100% accurate but I didn't mind the description that marvel heroes are like regular people and DC heroes are like mythical legends. But they still need something that humanizes them and I felt BvS lacked that.

 

[Napalm_Frank]

I don't wanna live in a world where Captain Marvel has to save female superhero movies.

Resident Evil: The Final Chapter comes out this month!

 

[Valentus]

Anne Hathaway is the gotham city siren we need, but we dont deserve.

 

[Sephzilla]

Resident Evil: The Final Chapter comes out this month!

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Resident Evil: The Final Chapter comes out this month!

Quiet, you..

 

[Firemind]

This is not, in and of itself, even a problem for me. I'm fine with the DC heroes being a bit more...mythical if, you know, they actually acted like it. The problem is that they can't even make them feel inspiring or praiseworthy

Jor-El's speech before Supes takes flight was inspiring and powerful. The Hans Zimmer score also helped.

 

[Already Torn]

He'll become the Superman we know and love in the next movie!
...okay the NEXT movie.

There ain't gonna be no next next movie

 

[Zen Aku]

Anne Hathaway is the gotham city siren we need, but we dont deserve.

I asked a friend about a couple of months ago that is it weird I have a disdain for Anne Hathaway, and I dont know why. She told me, its not uncommon.

Its not just me though is it?

 

[broncobuster]

Dope isn't what I would call edgy. Period. A psuedo coming of age story about a black kid in the hood that is funny as heck and has a couple tense moments. That's it.

That is a massive oversimplification considering how that movie ends...well, right before the dancing.

DCCU Superman would have just kicked the grenade over to another group of soldiers. "HE SAVED HIS SQUAD. IT WAS HIS FIRST DAY ON THE JOB"

Some of y'all talk about Superman like Clint Eastwood talks to a chair.

 

[Dalek]

I asked a friend about a couple of months ago that is it weird I have a disdain for Anne Hathaway, and I dont know why. She told me, its not uncommon.

Its not just me though is it?

She has a reputation for not being likable. But I was big fan of her riding the Batcycle.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

I asked a friend about a couple of months ago that is it weird I have a disdain for Anne Hathaway, and I dont know why. She told me, its not uncommon.

Its not just me though is it?

What? Why? Did I miss some despicable thing she did?

 

[Already Torn]

What? Why? Did I miss some despicable thing she did?

A lot of people don't like her. I blame Princess Diaries.

 

[Dcube]

That's a shame if true, I don't ask a lot from movies and I'm easy to entertain but basic narrative flow problems really get to me. Hated suicide squad but liked BvS ultimate after the re-edits. Still keeping up hope it'll be decent!

Man though, there's like one of these 'DC movie is a mess' topics every week and they're so popular! Should just make a dedicated comic movie geek wars thread.