Can Nintendo top AM2R with the next Metroid?
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JimJamJones
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Metroid?
Super, Fusion, and the Primes already top it IMO. It's fun. It's probably close to what Nintendo would have done if they made GBA version of M2.
Sorry if this sounds mean OP but you are foolish thinking Nintendo is even MAKING a Metroid game right now.
It's clear that many within Nintendo moved on to other projects.
-Retro Studios moved on after the successful Prime trilogy and shouldn't be forced to work on Metroid after Nintendo messed up with Other M
-Sakamotto moved on from Metroid outright and got success with things like Tomdatchi Life & assisting developing Miioto.
-Prime Producer likely is done with the series after the toxic reception to his ideas with Federation Force (and that games low sales).
-Internal Metroid teams (makers of the 2D Metroid games like Fusion & Zero Mission) likely not at Nintendo anymore.
So when so many are not willing to make Metroid internally....then how can we expect a new one to be made? Nintendo shot down the 2.5 Pitch Next Level Games originally wanted to work on and the rumored project from Mercury Stream (Lords of Shadows) regarding Metroid was never picked up by Nintendo; nothing is happening I feel.
Reggie can say 'Talk to us in a year' but really, that is him yanking on people's chains like he did to Mother fans in the past. Very likely the most we will get is a HD remaster of the Prime trilogy at most this year.
It's clear that many within Nintendo moved on to other projects.
-Retro Studios moved on after the successful Prime trilogy and shouldn't be forced to work on Metroid after Nintendo messed up with Other M
-Sakamotto moved on from Metroid outright and got success with things like Tomdatchi Life & assisting developing Miioto.
-Prime Producer likely is done with the series after the toxic reception to his ideas with Federation Force (and that games low sales).
-Internal Metroid teams (makers of the 2D Metroid games like Fusion & Zero Mission) likely not at Nintendo anymore.
So when so many are not willing to make Metroid internally....then how can we expect a new one to be made? Nintendo shot down the 2.5 Pitch Next Level Games originally wanted to work on and the rumored project from Mercury Stream (Lords of Shadows) regarding Metroid was never picked up by Nintendo; nothing is happening I feel.
Reggie can say 'Talk to us in a year' but really, that is him yanking on people's chains like he did to Mother fans in the past. Very likely the most we will get is a HD remaster of the Prime trilogy at most this year.
Linkstrikesback
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In principle they could.
I don't think they will even if they make another 2d metroid.
There's a lot of accessibility nonsense you don't need to care about in making a very high quality fangame that Nintendo will doubtlessly dream up to try and get higher sales. AM2R may well be the pinicle of what I want out of a 2d metroid.
I don't think they will even if they make another 2d metroid.
There's a lot of accessibility nonsense you don't need to care about in making a very high quality fangame that Nintendo will doubtlessly dream up to try and get higher sales. AM2R may well be the pinicle of what I want out of a 2d metroid.
This is a problem honestly; they shouldn't be forced to work on Metroid or be 'the Metroid team' when they showed with the DKC games that they can do great work on many IP's they tackle.
Just....I would be happy to see them make Metroid but they shouldn't be the one to fix Nintendo's messes. Nintendo themselves should be fixing the mess they made in 2010. It's not fair on Retro Studios if they don't want to work on Metroid. But if they DO want to work on the IP, the work on the DKC games can easily help in creating a quality 2.5D Metroid adventure.
Wolfgang Jr
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Everytime you pick up paper, your HAVE to make that game. It's the law.
I mean, Retro always makes quality games. A new Metroid from them is definitely what the fans want, but it might end up being a new DKC game or something else that's neither franchises.
A Metroid Prime Switch game would be cool. Stand alone game at least, not related to the Prime franchise with Dark Samus at least but a new premise. Playing with changeable Wii like controls with the R Joycon without needing a sensor bar or with GC like controls would be the dream.
Anyway. Dreaming aside, as long as it's not Other M 2, it could top AM2R.
Maintenance
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Can they? Absolutely.
Will they? Never.
Will they? Never.
Astral Dog
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If its as good as Federation Force they surely can
I quite like AM2R. I'd argue it's better than many non-fan games out there and could be one of my favorites of 2016. Having the Metroid art and music is acing on the cake as I'm a sucker for it. Furthermore, it also did some cool things, such as the music or having non-square maps.
That said.
It's nowhere near the quality of the official 2D Metroid games. It's bogged down by many small things and by the end of the day Nintendo should not even consider making it their own as some seem to want.
It shouldn't be hard to top it. But let's see if they can.
That said.
It's nowhere near the quality of the official 2D Metroid games. It's bogged down by many small things and by the end of the day Nintendo should not even consider making it their own as some seem to want.
It shouldn't be hard to top it. But let's see if they can.
Fess
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What's the story behind this?
Aonuma put the note in his pocket... So there is a chance!
I saw that and was baffled they would even joke like that. A new Metroid isn't happening, so why are they continuing to annoy fans with things like that?
Even as a harmless joke, they know the series is in a bad place now. Better to not discuss it at all until you have something tangible to show off.
A real Metroid 2 remake should probably be done in 3D. I don't think AM2R is good, honestly. What they added doesn't add to the game, and the hitstun is extremely bad.
So COULD Nintendo do better? Yes
Will they do better? No, because they killed their own faith to make another good game in the series.
Version 3.0
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Of course they can. The only question is, will they?
Alex_Mexico
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First Nintendo needs to show they want to work on a new Metroid before we think they can outdo a decade in the making non profit fan project that turned out to be excellent.
As of right now just remember that the canonical Samus we have is Other M's. And I don't khave high hopes for the treatment of Princess Zelda in BotW but I'd love to be proven wrong.
As of right now just remember that the canonical Samus we have is Other M's. And I don't khave high hopes for the treatment of Princess Zelda in BotW but I'd love to be proven wrong.
It's definitely better than the original Metroid 2, which looks and plays like shit. Unfortunately, Nintendo isn't going to make another 2D Metroid, so it'll probably be the last Metroid of it's kind.
OrbitalBeard
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Ummm...
Ben Reeves from Game Informer made a joke and they laughed.
Some of you are being ridiculous.
Keep in mind no handheld release, and the last time we got Metroid before Federation Force was Other M, which ended up being not what most wanted and developed by an odd choice of a dev.
Also, imagine if you will that Zelda skipped a generation of a handheld and a console and they released a game that doesn't give people much of what the series is known for in terms of gameplay depth and quality and turns it into more of a casual title, on its anniversary year. You can then easily see why people are dissatisified.
Metroid Prime would be a fantastic candidate for VR. Metroid Prime is a much slower paced FPS that doesn't rely a ton on quick head movement. Samus' suit and first person UI make it seems like you're in mech, which should help some with not throwing off your brain (like RIGS on PSVR). Scanning and traversal would be awesome on VR as well.
Anyway, if Nintendo wants to do a new 3D metroid, I think the Prime formula works the best. If they want to do third person, they should go ahead and make it 2D.
Lastly, thanks for this thread OP. I completely forgot I had downloaded AM2R. I need to play through it...I just need to convince myself not to play NiOh...or the Witcher 3...
Anyway, if Nintendo wants to do a new 3D metroid, I think the Prime formula works the best. If they want to do third person, they should go ahead and make it 2D.
Lastly, thanks for this thread OP. I completely forgot I had downloaded AM2R. I need to play through it...I just need to convince myself not to play NiOh...or the Witcher 3...
Alex_Mexico
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Whats happening here? What were they playing? So they just laughed the "2D Metroid Please" request off and moved on?
WhiteRabbitEXE
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I feel like this could just be shortened to "2D Metroid Please" followed by them laughing.
KillerIsJed
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More like can the next IP stealing indie game be as good as the darned near perfect Federation Force?
The only way I can imagine Nintendo doing a "next Metroid" is it being one of the many garage projects by the younger developers there. This assumes a significant amount of the younger developers there are big enough fans of Metroid to want to push for it. Considering Metroid's sales in Japan I'm not so hopeful.
LOL I'm not even sure how anyone who has played Federation Force can call it "darned near perfect." Even people who love the game.
If they wanted to, I dont see why not. AMR2 is a solid Metroid, but held back by the material it is based on. I don't necessarily care which direction they go in, as long as its really good. A classic Metroid experience would be great, or taking the franchise in a bold new direction (as they've done with BotW and Mario Odyssey) would also be great.
Perfect isn't the word I would use for Federation Force honestly. I think it get's hated on way to much honestly (though that is Nintendo's thought for that) and I feel it's a good/okay game.
Nothing bad or horrid but nothing great either. Just a solid MP shooter for a console that doesn't really support the genre. If it was a new IP, it would have been received far better.
Then it wasn't a funny joke then. Sorry but it's hard to laugh when Nintendo has been messing up the Metroid IP in recent years. But my post was a bit mean spirited, so I apologize.
Very good point. How sad that the DS never had a 2D Metroid that utilized the verticality of both screens.
The gameinformer interview was basically for shits and giggles. During one segment the interviewer pulled a piece of paper and put it under a cup and shuffled it. Miyamoto and Aonuma picked the cup in the gif and were pretty suprised.
It was funny because you wouldn't expect it in a zelda interview.
It was a quick gag in Game Informer's (I think?) 51 questions about Breath of the Wild. It's actually pretty entertaining and only 4 and a half minutes. I'd recommend it.
Edit: Thud!
TheGreatMightyPoo
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He had to go number two after the interview.
When I see people talk about the high quality of Nintendo's 2D Metroids, they're mostly just talking about Super Metroid, Zero Mission, and Fusion. Metroid and Metroid 2 are good games but are held back by their age and hardware. And Fusion honestly isn't near the quality of Super Metroid and Zero Mission; the item layout, constant text, and extreme linearity make the game a chore to replay unless you're masochistic enough to do a 1% or 0% run.
They're all good games, but Super and Zero Mission are the real greats that hold up. Unfortunately, Zero Mission's failure seems to have scared Nintendo away from doing that kind of Metroid game again.
They're all good games, but Super and Zero Mission are the real greats that hold up. Unfortunately, Zero Mission's failure seems to have scared Nintendo away from doing that kind of Metroid game again.
Mama Robotnik
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Based on Nintendo's Metroid output of the last nine-and-a-half-years, then no, they can't make something better than the absolutely stunning AM2R.
Nintendo, prove me wrong.
Please.
Nintendo, prove me wrong.
Please.
2Smashed4U
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I'm kind of surprised people actually think Nintendo will stop making Metroid games. They were never an F-Zero-like series, Metroid has always been a top tier Nintendo franchise.
They aren't going to live off making just Mario, Zelda and second tier stuff like Fire Emblem and Animal Crossing forever.
I do think people are getting super presumptuous about a specifically 2D Metroid though.
They aren't going to live off making just Mario, Zelda and second tier stuff like Fire Emblem and Animal Crossing forever.
I do think people are getting super presumptuous about a specifically 2D Metroid though.
OrbitalBeard
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Fire Emblem and Animal Crossing aren't second tier IP and they're both bigger and more important to Nintendo than Metroid.
I do think Nintendo will make another mainline Metroid game though and I think it will be announced this year.
I mean, I liked AM2R a lot, I think it was surprisingly good for a fangame and I'm extremely grateful and happy that it released, but at the same time I don't think it did anything spectacular and actually it has its share of flaws.
So yeah, unless Nintendo does something stupid no one wants again, it'd be pretty weird for their new game to not be better, to be honest.
Outside of Other M, and arguably, FedForce, I consider Metroid one of Nintendo's most consistently great series, and its least good games are still very, very good.
So yeah, unless Nintendo does something stupid no one wants again, it'd be pretty weird for their new game to not be better, to be honest.
Outside of Other M, and arguably, FedForce, I consider Metroid one of Nintendo's most consistently great series, and its least good games are still very, very good.
They technically can, doesn't mean they will or want to.
They can as evidenced with Fusion and Zero Mission, but decided to move on to to 3D and other things with Prime and Other M.
So who knows.
Remember that Nintendo makes (or tries to) the games targeted at mass audiences, so they see the 2D ones at targeted too much to the hardcore and even ones like Castlevania that moved to 3D. Metroid got a chance back into spotlight by jumping to 3D.
So whatever they do, some will like it, others won't and some will want a followup to their favorite one. 3D, first person, 2D.
They can as evidenced with Fusion and Zero Mission, but decided to move on to to 3D and other things with Prime and Other M.
So who knows.
Remember that Nintendo makes (or tries to) the games targeted at mass audiences, so they see the 2D ones at targeted too much to the hardcore and even ones like Castlevania that moved to 3D. Metroid got a chance back into spotlight by jumping to 3D.
So whatever they do, some will like it, others won't and some will want a followup to their favorite one. 3D, first person, 2D.
Alex_Mexico
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Whatever. I'll take what I can get and pound for pound I'd argue AM2R is a better game than Zero Mission and Fusion. Remake or fan game be damned.
Linkstrikesback
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That would be because it is.
chaosblade
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They haven't since 2002/2004 depending on who you ask, so it's worth questioning. I guess they probably could if they actually cared to go back in that direction with Metroid, but likely it would be seen as "moving backwards," "not innovating," and probably wouldn't sell boatloads, so it's unlikely they will even try.
The next 2D Metroid will probably have over an hour of cutscenes, multiple hours of voice acting, and hold the player's hand through the whole game. And feature a casual mode that lets you instantly respawn if you die and gives you an arrow that tells you where to go next at all times.
The next 2D Metroid will probably have over an hour of cutscenes, multiple hours of voice acting, and hold the player's hand through the whole game. And feature a casual mode that lets you instantly respawn if you die and gives you an arrow that tells you where to go next at all times.
Nocturnowl
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Metroid died because of the Fusion bashing in this thread, damn you all!
Green Mamba
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It's not a question of if they can, it's a question of "do they give enough of a shit," and I think we all know the answer to that.
Indeed. Fire Emblem is by far IntSys' biggest own IP and has been for a very long time. Animal Crossing is a long running highly successful IP by the section which Eguchi heads. Both are pretty much ensured to get new entries that way.
Meanwhile Metroid was an average IP, its original developer constantly reorganized (RIP R&D1), its other developers move on, and its one remaining creator in a leading position Sakimoto has far far more success with other IPs (aside many fans blaming him for the state of the IP). There won't be a next Metroid anytime soon.
Now they are, but for a while there Fire Emblem seemed to be on the cutting block as well. It's due to Awakening having great execution in its design that it's higher than Metroid at the moment.
Would be nice to see Metroid get a similar well executed release.
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