Variety: YouTube Cancels PewDiePie Show, Pulls Channel from Premium Ad Program

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I am extremely concerned about the uptick in violence against Jews, and the genocidal rhetoric that consumes dialogue about the Jewish people in large portions of the world. It has also been very disturbing to to see the return of old-style antisemitic paranoia on both the far right and far left. Many of my Jewish friends say they increasingly feel uneasy about a lot of the political rhetoric they're hearing, and the antisemitism that is becoming more common in politics and on campus.

There are new problems that are facing Jews in both Europe and America, and these problems are massively under-reported. Jews in Europe increasingly feel stuck between the horrifying extremes of the Jeremy Corbyn left (friend of Hamas and Hezbollah) and the Marine Le Pen right (daughter of a Holocaust denier). A terrifying, no win scenario.

PewDiePie's distasteful antics are juvenile, shock jock stunts. There is obviously no ideology or intention behind them whatsoever. He is simply trying to offend people as a gag. Clearly, he has succeeded. His corporate partners are obviously well within their rights to dissolve their relationship with him and not want his behavior to reflect on them, but the case for mass public outrage is considerably less convincing. All it does is make his followers feel (ironically enough) persecuted. Calling him a "literal Nazi" diminishes the power of a word that has recently been used much more liberally than it should be. The genocidal horrors of Nazism shouldn't be diminished by confusing them for mere taboo trampling tastelessness. PewDiePie is a frivolous individual, not a dangerous one.

People of all political stripes have serious work to do when it comes to rooting out genuine, deeply felt antisemitism within their own coalitions. The world is already full of people who despise Jews. The idea that PewDiePie's middle-school humor is going to radicalize people into real antisemitism is absurd. The "joke" only makes sense to people because they are already aware of the real world hate it is referencing. The world is full of actual Jew-hating radicals, and those who care to be informed will quickly get a sense of just what the real ideological origins of that hatred are.

These splashy, cosmetic internet controversies usually end with the ritual scapegoating and figurative stake-burning of some unlucky, incautious individual. The whole process is morally disturbing in its own right, and never does anything to address the root issues at stake.

Moral self-righteousness is no substitute for moral seriousness.
 
Family Guy and most comedians do not market to children

Pewdiepie in the last 2 years has not "marketed" towards children. Or really ever, considering the language he has used in his videos from the start. He may appeal to children, but in the last years has been appealing more to an older audience.
 
*comedian holds up sign that says "Death to All Jews*

Comedian: "lol this is so funny"

I must have missed that stand up act

That punchline could likely be used by many jewish comedians like David Cross. Hell, he may have already used the punchline. But what David Cross is doing is so far beyond what PDP does. PDP makes videos for 12 year olds. That's why I really don't get why so many grown ass people care about his deal with Disney.
 
I imagine he feels pretty shitty right now. That terrible feeling of dread that just sits in your gut...I don't envy him.

It was in poor taste and he messed up, but the vast majority of his subscribers won't care because he built his channel on screaming and cussing and doing ridiculous shit.

He'll come out alright and he'll have learned a valuable lesson.
 
I get the "comedy" involved, but it's way too controversial for Disney and Youtbe's Red program once it got enough negative publicity. There are plenty of spaces to do this type of edgy comedy but oftentimes it's on the fringes of the mainstream or on designated spaces like Comedy Central or Adult Swim.
 
Don't like PewDiePie, like at all, but I think the reaction is a little overboard.

Why do shows like Family Guy or countless of comedians get a pass on satirical hateful language but this dude doesn't?

Came here to say this. Paying random people to hold up an anti semitic sign was just really poor judgement but South Park, Family Guy, Frankie Boyle and numerous other comedians make really blunt jokes that cite anti-Semitic sentiment (always ironically). People just despise this guy (no doubt partially based on envy)and want to see him fall.
 
What I find most offensive is that he paid poor people from the orient to do it for him where anti-semitism is more of a real problem than comfortable Sweden, the worst kind of capitalist exploitation of the Other.
 
Yeah I don't care for him. His content or as a person. Shockingly, this incident hasn't swayed my opinion!

No you posted over 2 years ago that PDP was the worst person in gaming. You don't care if he what he said was racist or not. You just love getting off on him in a shit storm.

God I never watched a PDP video until today. I don't get it at all, but there is a lot of things I don't get thankfully.

You're right, it's hype as fuck when a "celebrity" does ignorant shit and actually gets called on it. It happens way too infrequently and I'm glad his money and fame aren't capable of covering his ass this time. You presume to know a lot about me based on a post from 2 years ago.
 
Why do shows like Family Guy or countless of comedians get a pass on satirical hateful language but this dude doesn't?

You mean shows and comedians that are aimed at adults?

There's your difference. Also, satire and comedians are usually always exactly that, in a predetermined setting.

Someone mentioned South Park. Again, adult show...and nothing is safe from SP. They take a shot at everyone and often approach subjects from multiple angles.

I've echo'ed this more than once. You have to recognize your audience and your supporters in this instance.
 
Fun fact! Milo Yiannopoulos is ethnically Jewish as well as being gay. He's also a homophobe and supports Neo-Nazis (although they don't love him back for obvious reasons). Having some proximity with an ethnic group doesn't mean that you don't hate the group.
 
That punchline could likely be used by many jewish comedians like David Cross. Hell, he may have already used the punchline. But what David Cross is doing is so far beyond what PDP does. PDP makes videos for 12 year olds. That's why I really don't get why so many grown ass people care about his deal with Disney.

Because some of us have 12 year olds. My son knows David Cross because he was in the Chipmunks movie, where he decided to use comedy appropriate for his audience. He knows PDP because all of his friends watch him and play games that he plays, and PDP decides to do shit like this.
 
Bold for emphasis, it seems it's hard for people to understand this

I usually never finish my posts because I tend to add stuff so I don't have to double post.

What he did was wrong. And everybody knows that. That's why he was dropped from Maker Studios, and I'm expecting he will apologize. But like I said, he already has stated he's "Anti-PC" and he will continue doing jokes people like it or not, and he will not change what he does.

But I think there was an overreaction from everyone, and knowing how GAF hates him, the overreaction goes overboard.

Because some of us have 12 year olds. My son knows David Cross because he was in the Chipmunks movie, where he decided to use comedy appropriate for his audience. He knows PDP because all of his friends watch him and play games that he plays, and he does shit like this.

Why are you letting your kid watch Pewdiepie?

- He plays +17 games mostly, except for SotC and TLG
- He's Anti-PC
- His jokes usually aren't intended to kids

You are the one who has to supervise your kid what he watches or don't.
 
Hm, yes it did happen but that first example is more akin to parody and satire than this last video. And just plain using Hitler imagery and saying the word "nazi" does not make you anti-semitic. One of these accused videos is he punching and "killing" one of his characters when he descovers he is a nazi

And there the goalposts go. I never said he himself was anti-Semitic. He's an entertainer with an audience of millions who has frequently made Jewish people the butt end of jokes. That's what we're discussing. And when did I take issue with him saying the word "nazi"?

"Jews somehow found another way to fuck over Jesus". Such satire. Look up the blood libel and the Protocols of Zion to learn just how harmless this kind of "satire" is.
 
Moral self-righteousness is no substitute for moral seriousness.


Agreed with pretty much everything you post, but that closing is spot on.

Yes, it would be a shame to minimize the horrors of genocide.

To be honest I've heard some pretty bad holocaust jokes in my life. That said they didn't minimize the horrors of it (I'm reading Masters of Death right now, and that makes me want to throw up at times). Also people that told these jokes at times were Jewish and far from being Nazis or Racists (the were liberals to be exact).
 
Came here to say this. Paying random people to hold up an anti semitic sign was just really poor judgement but South Park, Family Guy, Frankie Boyle and numerous other comedians make really blunt jokes that cite anti-Semitic sentiment (always ironically). People just despise this guy (no doubt partially based on envy)and want to see him fall.

I'm sure you realize the irony of making a statement like this and having a rainbow in your avatar... You obviously wouldn't have made a statement like this otherwise.
 
Bold for emphasis, it seems it's hard for people to understand this

This



This guy has a stage in which millions of youth consume his humor, ideals, etc.

Glad these companies are showing this kind of shit is not okay. People defending here must be living under rocks to not see how tumultuous these times are.
 
Hate speech is wrong. Only the ignorant would choose to defend it. And only the most ignorant will broadcast their ignorance.

If you think people here are defending hate speech you're delusional. We're saying that this dumb guy isn't a literal nazi for making a tasteless joke, but most, if not all, agree about him losing his partners, since he can't do shit like that and expect no consequences. He crossed the line (he knows this) but went along with it.


Thank you. People have no ideia what they are doing when they throw strong words like this at absolutely everybody. When you compare PewDiePie to the likes of Richard Spencer you're losing the battle.
 
Came here to say this. Paying random people to hold up an anti semitic sign was just really poor judgement but South Park, Family Guy, Frankie Boyle and numerous other comedians make really blunt jokes that cite anti-Semitic sentiment (always ironically). People just despise this guy (no doubt partially based on envy)and want to see him fall.
He did 9 damn vids this is beyond poor judgment :/
 
I imagine he feels pretty shitty right now. That terrible feeling of dread that just sits in your gut...I don't envy him.

It was in poor taste and he messed up, but the vast majority of his subscribers won't care because he built his channel on screaming and cussing and doing ridiculous shit.

He'll come out alright and he'll have learned a valuable lesson.

Didn't he already learn the valuable lesson when people criticized his rape jokes and he took that criticism to heart? It seems more like he's unlearned it now.
 
Came here to say this. Paying random people to hold up an anti semitic sign was just really poor judgement but South Park, Family Guy, Frankie Boyle and numerous other comedians make really blunt jokes that cite anti-Semitic sentiment (always ironically). People just despise this guy (no doubt partially based on envy)and want to see him fall.
South Park is fundamentally satire and absolutely has not and will not enable those types of people.

Pewdiepie is absolutely not a racist but he's a hugely influential person to a young generation and he makes humor from his indifference towards it. Supporting Nazism openly isn't the only way you can further that movement. Profiting off the suffering of others whether you agree with it or not makes you at the very least culpable and accessory to actual heinous shit. Standing by and saying nothing about it and collecting that sweet ad revenue from shocking content is not alright and anyone who justifies it is horribly off base.
 
Pewdiepie in the last 2 years has not "marketed" towards children. Or really ever, considering the language he has used in his videos from the start. He may appeal to children, but in the last years has been appealing more to an older audience.
Then why did he agree to be sponsored by Disney? lol
 
Fun fact! Milo Yiannopoulos is ethnically Jewish as well as being gay. He's also a homophobe and supports Neo-Nazis (although they don't love him back for obvious reasons). Having some proximity with an ethnic group doesn't mean that you don't hate the group.

So, I guess he thinks it's OK for him to talk shit about gays and jews since he's one himself?
 
"Gaf hates Pewdiepie."

Except for the enlightened souls defending him.

But congrats, you guys figured how not to talk about the actual topic.
 
If you think people here are defending hate speech you're delusional. We're saying that this dumb guy isn't a literal nazi for making a tasteless joke, but most, if not all, agree about him losing his partners, since he can't do shit like that and expect no consequences. He crossed the line (he knows this) but went along with it.

I was speaking directly to you. You seemed to allude I was taking some moral high-ground when the reality was much, much simpler.
 
Time to die pie.


*just to be sure (I don't wanna be banned again) I don't want him to die*

Why ppl take die literally and not the pie... this guy's role is called Pewdiepie if ppl take this as I want him dead I maybe should give up posting in english, post in spanish and let google translate it for me.
 
I hope his ass gets beat in the streets, such a punchable face. I hope nothing but the worst for this piece of shit.

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Engaging in antisemitism in "edgy" humor does not make someone actively antisemitic but it does make them selfish and oblivious enough to prioritize their own amusement over the safety and well being of others.

Whether or not he believes this stuff or ever would, given that a disturbing percentage of the alt right were gradually radicalized through inundation of ever escalating "edgy" humor, he is further contributing to the mainstreaming of the tools that help groom white supremacists.

Doing so obliviously does not somehow make it all cool.
Yes I dont see how people dont get this.
 
Don't like PewDiePie, like at all, but I think the reaction is a little overboard.

Why do shows like Family Guy or countless of comedians get a pass on satirical hateful language but this dude doesn't?

This is my take.

Bit extreme of YouTube.
 
He did 9 damn vids this is beyond poor judgment :/

These "9 videos" thing is vastly overplayed and I'm going to straight up say that it was indeed dishonest by WSJ's part, since most of these videos are not even in the same tone, or vein, as this last one.

So, I guess he thinks it's OK for him to talk shit about gays and jews since he's one himself?

Yep, that's pretty much Milo's MO. Let's not forget that Milo is an absolute opportunistic piece of shit that has ruined other people's life though

I was speaking directly to you. You seemed to allude I was taking some moral high-ground when the reality was much, much simpler.

I don't see how that changes any of what I wrote. You still are taking the moral high ground in both of your posts though.
 
South Park is fundamentally satire and absolutely has not and will not enable those types of people.

That said I've knew some middle school kids that loved to make Jew jokes and call each other 'Jew' as a cut down. Why? Because they saw it on South Park. Yes they were too young to be watching, but still...
 
Can't wait to see H3H3 come out to defend him. Surprised we never saw them defending JonTron's shit, either. Talk about death of a good channel.
 
Don't like PewDiePie, like at all, but I think the reaction is a little overboard.

Why do shows like Family Guy or countless of comedians get a pass on satirical hateful language but this dude doesn't?
No one is saying those shows should get a pass. You don't think his remarks are overboard? Ugh
 
That said I've knew some middle school kids that loved to make Jew jokes and call each other 'Jew' as a cut down. Why? Because they saw it on South Park. Yes they were too young to be watching, but still...

Indeed, and that's why youtube and disney made the right decision
 
Damn so early retirement then? Didn't this dude make millions?

He's surely got a ton of cash. But he's young and the ambitious don't simply stop wanting to make money. Seeing as he just burned his primary revenue stream, expect the second wave.
 
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