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[Mael]

So does everybody see why we should give these scumbags a public forum? People spent a lot of time trying to convince us that Milo shouldn't be allowed to speak about anything, but it's reasons like this that he and people like him absolutely should be allowed to let their ass hang out so we can kick it right the fuck outta here

the moral of this story is more that we should let Reaganites vet every shitheads to publicly shame them.

 

[B-Dubs]

So does everybody see why we should give these scumbags a public forum? People spent a lot of time trying to convince us that Milo shouldn't be allowed to speak about anything, but it's reasons like this that he and people like him absolutely should be allowed to let their ass hang out so we can kick it right the fuck outta here

This wasn't the result of Maher giving Milo a platform. Maher DID NOTHING. HE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH TAKING MILO DOWN. Republicans who refused to allow Milo a platform at CPAC took him down.

 

[DyslexicAlucard]

For crying out loud.

NOTHING GOOD CAME FROM THAT.

Why are you saying that. Stop saying that.

First of all, calm down. I'm not the enemy here.

I was stating that, although the appearance on Real Time was a fluff fest where Milo's disgusting views were barely challenged, at least it got enough attention on him and caused some people to expose him for what he really is. I still think that, with how Maher handled Milo with kid gloves, the appearance was a disaster and I wouldn't do something stupid like "thank" Maher for this.

And I know some are opposed to giving people like MY any attention at all, and I totally understand that. But there *are* ways to diminish him if/when he does get on a show. Heck, this whole thing is also a result of his appearances on two other shows, which exposed his gross views.

 

[Fisty]

Milo got canned when Reagan conservatives found comments he made on a podcast years ago.

Yeah and if people just tried to silence him we'd never have the ammunition

Also I know it wasn't because of Maher, I appreciated what he was going for but he didn't quite nail it

 

[Gattsu25]

This wasn't the result of Maher giving Milo a platform. Maher DID NOTHING. HE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH TAKING MILO DOWN. Republicans who refused to allow Milo a platform at CPAC took him down.

*DING* *DING* *DING*

Yeah and if people just tried to silence him we'd never have the ammunition

These were comments made within his bubble. He got taken down because republicans wanted to rob him of a new platform at CPAC

 

[Blader]

How does it look? I'm basically just thinking out loud in here. I'm open to changing my stance, or at least admitting I'll need to learn more before continuing, in the face of good arguments.

It looks like your first instinct was to disregard minorities for the sake of winning an election, despite no real strategy around how doing so would actually produce a win. I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume that wasn't your intention. Honestly, there were a lot of PoliGAF people the night of, and the morning after, the election who were saying things like "We have to totally abandon guns and religion", "We have to put up a Southern white guy," "We need Tom Hanks and Mark Cuban", and all sorts of ridiculous knee-jerk reaction shit.

So you guys really think we can win with the same platform we've been running, just with a more vigorous campaign? I hope you're right, but this election shattered my faith in this country. That's why I've opened up to a more cynical approach, if it's necessary.

Let's not overlearn lessons from the election. We won the popular vote by a massive amount and lost the EC vote by an extremely slim margin in three states. That's a narrow loss that with smarter campaigning and a more charismatic messenger can be flipped back into a win.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

Maher found common ground with milo

 

[B-Dubs]

First of all, calm down. I'm not the enemy here.

I was stating that, although the appearance on Real Time was a fluff fest where Milo's disgusting views were barely challenged, at least it got enough attention on him and caused some people to expose him for what he really is. I still think that, with how Maher handled Milo with kid gloves, the appearance was a disaster and I wouldn't do something stupid like "thank" Maher for this.

And I know some are opposed to giving people like MY any attention at all, and u totally understand that. But there *are* ways to diminish him if/when he does get on a show. Heck, this whole thing is also a result of his appearances on two other shows, which exposed his gross views.

THAT IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED.

Milo got taken down by Reaganites who refused to allow him a platform at CPAC. Maher's bullshit had absolutely nothing to do with it.

*DING* *DING* *DING*

I don't know how many different ways I can say it at this point.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

So does everybody see why we should give these scumbags a public forum? People spent a lot of time trying to convince us that Milo shouldn't be allowed to speak about anything, but it's reasons like this that he and people like him absolutely should be allowed to let their ass hang out so we can kick it right the fuck outta here

The comments that got him in trouble were made some time ago and released by conservatives covering their own asses

Nobody tried to silence him

Like slurp up Maher or whatever all you want but dropping in acting like the authority when you don't actually have a firm grasp on what happened is just jokes

 

[TemplaerDude]

It's nice to know the white supremacists draw a line there, I guess.

 

[Mael]

First of all, calm down. I'm not the enemy here.

I was stating that, although the appearance on Real Time was a fluff fest where Milo's disgusting views were barely challenged, at least it got enough attention on him and caused some people to expose him for what he really is. I still think that, with how Maher handled Milo with kid gloves, the appearance was a disaster and I wouldn't do something stupid like "thank" Maher for this.

And I know some are opposed to giving people like MY any attention at all, and I totally understand that. But there *are* ways to diminish him if/when he does get on a show. Heck, this whole thing is also a result of his appearances on two other shows, which exposed his gross views.

That happened because he was booked somewhere else before he even appeared on Real Time.
If you want to thank anyone for this, thank CPAC, the Reaganites or the Berkeley protesters.
Literally my 1rst post on neogaf about Yiannopoulous has had as much effect as his appearance on Real Time.
Might as well thank Roman Emperor Constantin.

 

[Gotchaye]

So does everybody see why we should give these scumbags a public forum? People spent a lot of time trying to convince us that Milo shouldn't be allowed to speak about anything, but it's reasons like this that he and people like him absolutely should be allowed to let their ass hang out so we can kick it right the fuck outta here

Yes. I for one would like to thank Breitbart News for their part in getting Milo ejected from respectable society. If they hadn't given him a national platform he would never have gotten the exposure that was required in order for him to lose said platform.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

What in the fuck?

Man, these people will immortalize Obama as an enemy. I wouldn't be surprised if some tin-foilers still talk about the ghost of Obama haunting America hundreds of years from now.

The far right has been doubling down on talk of the "shadow government" run by Obama that is responsible for all of the leaks and mishaps faced by the Trump administration, from the judges ruling against him to Flynn's resignation.

Obama winning two terms and being popular the whole time broke these people's minds; he's the eternal enemy and they cannot comprehend not having him as a boogeyman anymore. Much like Milo's whole shtick now, even when they win they only know how to play the victim and talk about how the insidious forces of the establishment and (((globalists))) are plotting their demise and making them look bad.

 

[BrotherSeth]

I'm pretty certain that one interview (maybe the same as this one) also contained a comment from Milo, in which he claimed that often the young teen boys would be the sexual predator/instigator towards the older men. The line of though was, that they had such limber and irresistable bodies, and would lure the older men to have sex.

Pretty fucked up point of view

 

[Chie Satonaka]

So does everybody see why we should give these scumbags a public forum? People spent a lot of time trying to convince us that Milo shouldn't be allowed to speak about anything, but it's reasons like this that he and people like him absolutely should be allowed to let their ass hang out so we can kick it right the fuck outta here

Quoting myself from the other locked thread:

It's pretty funny that people are claiming victory laps here, like this is the eventual outcome if you let shitty people speak freely.

First, no, it isn't.

Second, he should have never gotten this far.

Third, there's a lot of people who got hurt along the way.

Milo was a dangerous opportunist who's star should have never gotten big enough to fall in the first place, full stop.

 

[DyslexicAlucard]

THAT IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED.

Milo got taken down by Reaganites who refused to allow him a platform at CPAC. Maher's bullshit had absolutely nothing to do with it.



I don't know how many different ways I can say it at this point.

Then okay? Is this really worth all capsing people who agree with you on pretty much everything? Again, even if the RT appearance had nothing to do with it (though the timing is a bit coincidental,) his appearances on two other shows resulted in this all coming out, so the point would still be the same.

I also acknowledge that he wouldn't have as big of a name if he wasn't given platforms to spew his shit in the first place. But he may still have had Breitbart and the like. It's an interesting chicken and egg problem that could result in fruitful discussion.

However, immediately screaming at someone who is on your side because of a small disagreement is a bad look, TBH. You can engage like an adult without skipping numerous steps of decorum first.

 

[RionaaM]

So does everybody see why we should give these scumbags a public forum? People spent a lot of time trying to convince us that Milo shouldn't be allowed to speak about anything, but it's reasons like this that he and people like him absolutely should be allowed to let their ass hang out so we can kick it right the fuck outta here

This makes no sense. The damage has been done, he already got many platforms from which to spew his hate and direct harassment towards specific individuals or groups. That was already known. We really did not need to wait until some pro-pedophilia comments were discovered to tell him "fuck you asshole", and we definitely shouldn't have.

Plus you're simultaneously saying he should be able to speak wherever he wants, and be prevented from doing so. Which one is it?

 

[The Kree]

So does everybody see why we should give these scumbags a public forum? People spent a lot of time trying to convince us that Milo shouldn't be allowed to speak about anything, but it's reasons like this that he and people like him absolutely should be allowed to let their ass hang out so we can kick it right the fuck outta here

Nope.

Because the misogyny wasn't enough.

Because the racism wasn't enough.

Because the transphobia and xenophobia weren't enough.

Because the targeted harassment campaigns weren't enough.

If standards of human decency among conservatives were higher, I'd agree with you, but it's not. He deserves to sleep with a boot on his neck for the rest of his life.

 

[Toxi]

Yes. I for one would like to thank Breitbart News for their part in getting Milo ejected from respectable society. If they hadn't given him a national platform he would never have gotten the exposure that was required in order for him to lose said platform.

Here here. Breitbart are the real unsung heroes.

 

[B-Dubs]

Then okay? Is this really worth all capsing people who agree with you on pretty much everything? Again, even if the RT appearance had nothing to do with it (though the timing is a bit coincidental,) his appearances on two other shows resulted in this all coming out, so the point would still be the same.

I also acknowledge that he wouldn't have as big of a name if he wasn't given platforms to spew his shit in the first place. But he may still have had Breitbart and the like. It's an interesting chicken and egg problem that could result in fruitful discussion.

However, immediately screaming at someone who is on your side because of a small disagreement is a bad look, TBH. You can engage like an adult without skipping numerous steps of decorum first.

Maybe try reading the rest of the thread instead of popping in and randomly posting because this conversation was had multiple times. I've had this same conversation again and again over the last two days because no one can be bothered to actually read a goddamned timeline.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

Don't forget another worse version of milo is in the White House, trumps closest advisor.

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

Yes. I for one would like to thank Breitbart News for their part in getting Milo ejected from respectable society. If they hadn't given him a national platform he would never have gotten the exposure that was required in order for him to lose said platform.

This post is my new defacto response to the "see? It was good to give him a platform!" comments.

Then okay? Is this really worth all capsing people who agree with you on pretty much everything? Again, even if the RT appearance had nothing to do with it (though the timing is a bit coincidental,) his appearances on two other shows resulted in this all coming out, so the point would still be the same.

I also acknowledge that he wouldn't have as big of a name if he wasn't given platforms to spew his shit in the first place. But he may still have had Breitbart and the like. It's an interesting chicken and egg problem that could result in fruitful discussion.

However, immediately screaming at someone who is on your side because of a small disagreement is a bad look, TBH. You can engage like an adult without skipping numerous steps of decorum first.

Sorry, but when a 12 page thread is filled with the same "oh hey look, it's actually a good thing tha-..." kind of talk, people who have been engaged in the whole thread will understandably lose their patience.

The same way you ask for respect and decency by not being yelled at, you can do your part by skimming the rest of the thread to gain the context of the ongoing discussion.

But yes, no one should be yelled at, if we're all on the same "team" here.

 

[DyslexicAlucard]

Maybe try reading the rest of the thread instead of popping in and randomly posting because this conversation was had multiple times. I've had this same conversation again and again over the last two days because no one can be bothered to actually read a goddamned timeline.

I'm not going to read 10 pages of a thread before posting. Sorry, I do not accept such an insane prerequisite before I post a GIF and say one line about it. No one made you correct people and debate it over and over. If you can't be civil to someone who is just ignorant of a fact but agrees with you about the general idea (ie. That we're glad Milo seems to actually be crumbling,) then maybe take a break.

At the least, just post a quote of what you said before. Or, hey, maybe let it slide if it's causing you distress.

 

[Blader]

Then okay? Is this really worth all capsing people who agree with you on pretty much everything? Again, even if the RT appearance had nothing to do with it (though the timing is a bit coincidental,) his appearances on two other shows resulted in this all coming out, so the point would still be the same.

Sometimes a coincidence is just a coincidence.

But yes, it is just a coincidence. CPAC cancelled his speakership and Simon and Shuster cancelled his book and Breitbart cancelled his employment because of pro-pedophilia comments he made on video that were dug up by Republicans appalled that he was ever invited to CPAC in the first place. His appearance on Bill Maher added nothing, and if that interview had never happened, Milo's life would be exactly the same as it is right now.

 

[mario_O]

 

[Astral Dog]

Maybe try reading the rest of the thread instead of popping in and randomly posting because this conversation was had multiple times. I've had this same conversation again and again over the last two days because no one can be bothered to actually read a goddamned timeline.

the infamous Yiannopoulos Timeline

 

[Robot Pants]

cya
nothing of value lost

 

[Acorn]

Yes. I for one would like to thank Breitbart News for their part in getting Milo ejected from respectable society. If they hadn't given him a national platform he would never have gotten the exposure that was required in order for him to lose said platform.

Gotta also thank his Parents for giving birth to him. Without that we'd never have taken him down.

 

[Fulminator]

He says it's his decision alone, but was he pressured to leave, do you think?

Regardless, this is a good thing, for everyone, not just liberals.

 

[Crimson_Echidna]

Gotta also thank his Parents for giving birth to him. Without that we'd never have taken him down.

Don't forget Adam Baldwin for coining the term "GamerGate." He's the one who really got the ball rolling in the greater scheme of things.

 

[DyslexicAlucard]

He says it's his decision alone, but was he pressured to leave, do you think?

Regardless, this is a good thing, for everyone, not just liberals.

Absolutely he was pressured out. This way, Milo can save face (if there's any left), and Breitbart gets to say it isn't punishing its writers for their "views" or restricting "free speech" (even though it has nothing to do with the government, many misuse/misunderstand this term consistently. )

 

[excelsiorlef]

True. Though TBH there isn't really much more to talk about on that point. I find the current conversation much more interesting, but I'll stop if a mod thinks I'm unnecessarily derailing the thread.

I'd like to just point out that in a thread about a known bigot, who has assaulted just about every minority community out there, getting some level of comeuppance you are basically responding with meh I'm much more interested in talking about how minority issues are detrimental to the Democrats election success...

Please consider that

 

[III-V]

Amazing all these defenders a few weeks ago talking about how an attack against this guy was an attack against free speech, your all fascists, and now he finally gets dumped and shown his true colors.

 

[Fulminator]

Absolutely he was pressured out. This way, Milo can save face (if there's any left), and Breitbart gets to say it isn't punishing its writers for their "views" or restricting "free speech" (even though it has nothing to do with the government, many misuse/misunderstand this term consistently. )

Makes sense.

There is definitely face left to save though. Many of his supporters are unfazed by this.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Fuck Maher.

Like most people, Bill wasn't ready for maximum stupidity. To be able to know the facts to a statement completely out of left field requires meaningful knowledge of the subject being brought up.

This is the same issue that well-informed people like Hillary Clinton ran into debating Trump; some statement would be so ridiculous and outlandish that time didn't even allow for the statement to be properly internalized and processed before having to reply in a meaningful way. So lots of issues that she could have brought up in reply to some of his commentaries were missed.

You guys don't understand how hard it is to argue with full-on ignorance unless you've done it first hand, with time limits. When there's no internet available to pull some shit off a Google search.

 

[LordOfChaos]

So, he's an unemployed immigrant on a work visa.
Deport him!

 

[indigo-cyclops]

Makes sense.

There is definitely face left to save though. Many of his supporters are unfazed by this.

Yup they believe it was a character assassination by leftist scum.

 

[MrGerbils]

Like most people, Bill wasn't ready for maximum stupidity. To be able to know the facts to a statement completely out of left field requires meaningful knowledge of the subject being brought up.

It's his show and if something that ridiculous is said he should have his producers fact check in the background and then call Milo out on his bullshit, not just shrug along.

 

[BigDes]

Wonder if he has to leave the US now, seeing as he was on a business visa.

 

[plagiarize]

Like most people, Bill wasn't ready for maximum stupidity. To be able to know the facts to a statement completely out of left field requires meaningful knowledge of the subject being brought up.

This is the same issue that well-informed people like Hillary Clinton ran into debating Trump; some statement would be so ridiculous and outlandish that time didn't even allow for the statement to be properly internalized and processed before having to reply in a meaningful way. So lots of issues that she could have brought up in reply to some of his commentaries were missed.

You guys don't understand how hard it is to argue with full-on ignorance unless you've done it first hand, with time limits. When there's no internet available to pull some shit off a Google search.

Which is why Maher shouldn't have invited him on.

It's that simple.

 

[travisbickle]

Why the hell does he have a personal brand name graphic?


Well I guess he can put it on any future job applications?

 

[Gattsu25]

Like most people, Bill wasn't ready for maximum stupidity. To be able to know the facts to a statement completely out of left field requires meaningful knowledge of the subject being brought up.

This is the same issue that well-informed people like Hillary Clinton ran into debating Trump; some statement would be so ridiculous and outlandish that time didn't even allow for the statement to be properly internalized and processed before having to reply in a meaningful way. So lots of issues that she could have brought up in reply to some of his commentaries were missed.

You guys don't understand how hard it is to argue with full-on ignorance unless you've done it first hand, with time limits. When there's no internet available to pull some shit off a Google search.

You're saying that Maher wasn't equipped to have a vile guest on.

Maher should not have had the vile guest on.

One of Maher's other guests even cancelled to try to compel Maher's better instincts to drop said vile guest. However, he wanted the ratings bump.

He also praised said vile person and even compared him positively to Hitchens.

What a hero.

 

[III-V]

Which is why Maher shouldn't have invited him on.

It's that simple.

I think it was somewhat good to let him mouth off on Maher. No one is actually listening to him there - only on board for the hypocrisy.

 

[HStallion]

Like most people, Bill wasn't ready for maximum stupidity. To be able to know the facts to a statement completely out of left field requires meaningful knowledge of the subject being brought up.

This is the same issue that well-informed people like Hillary Clinton ran into debating Trump; some statement would be so ridiculous and outlandish that time didn't even allow for the statement to be properly internalized and processed before having to reply in a meaningful way. So lots of issues that she could have brought up in reply to some of his commentaries were missed.

You guys don't understand how hard it is to argue with full-on ignorance unless you've done it first hand, with time limits. When there's no internet available to pull some shit off a Google search.

If Mayer had just stopped the entire thing, told Milo to go fuck himself and had him escorted off the set would have certainly been one of a variety of better responses. Or not invite him on in the first place.

 

[Armaros]

Like most people, Bill wasn't ready for maximum stupidity. To be able to know the facts to a statement completely out of left field requires meaningful knowledge of the subject being brought up.

This is the same issue that well-informed people like Hillary Clinton ran into debating Trump; some statement would be so ridiculous and outlandish that time didn't even allow for the statement to be properly internalized and processed before having to reply in a meaningful way. So lots of issues that she could have brought up in reply to some of his commentaries were missed.

You guys don't understand how hard it is to argue with full-on ignorance unless you've done it first hand, with time limits. When there's no internet available to pull some shit off a Google search.

The below is more then just being unprepared.

Maher helping to discredit Milo:

"You're like a young Christopher Hitchens!"

"Gotta protect women and girls from trans people? Sounds reasonable!"

"Trans people are responsible for the majority of sexual assault? Not sure, but *shrug*"

"I hate whiny liberals too!"

 

[excelsiorlef]

For anyone who wants to say: "See giving him a platform to hang himself works!" and act like all their hard work, arguing against every protest against him and every no platform argument, paid off in the end. Please consider the following:

1) It was in fact a protest against Milo getting a larger platform that lead to this.

2) What we have learned from this is that hateful bullshit is acceptable until it includes arguing adults should be able to have sex with 13 year olds. This is horrible. Here's the thing Milo in arguing for adults having sex with kids is technically not doing anything less legal than when he harassed Leslie Jones, or any other of his targets (hell arguable those were more closer to illegal), called trans folk sexual predators, denied trans folk their humanity, harassed a trans woman in a presentation, and every other racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, misogynistic, islamaphobic, bigoted thing he's ever said. Denying him a platform because he believes adults should be legally able to have sex with 13 year olds comes from the same motivation as denying him a platform for being all of those things above, his beliefs. There is zero legal difference, so why is it that when he was just a bigoted harassing piece of shit everyone was tripping over themselves to say let him speak, but now all of a sudden it's different? I mean I know why, so don't answer that.


The extrapolation of the see giving him a platform was the right thing to do in the end is the assumption that the next bigot rock star that comes around will also have a history of saying something in his past that was as bad as Milo saying adults should have sex with 13 year olds. That's not a rational assumption. We can't rely on the next bigot also being pro sex with 13 year olds.... That's insane.

 

[BruceCLea]

 

[BrutishMrFish]

Like most people, Bill wasn't ready for maximum stupidity. To be able to know the facts to a statement completely out of left field requires meaningful knowledge of the subject being brought up.

He was ready for maximum stupidity - ready to accept it because he already agreed with it.

He pulled the idea that trans people shouldn't go into the right bathrooms because there are so many sexual predators that pose a threat to women right out of his ass, because there are no facts to support it. He had that opinion before Milo came on the show, and instead of even once looking up facts, he decided he was already right and that was the end of it.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

First of all, calm down. I'm not the enemy here.

I was stating that, although the appearance on Real Time was a fluff fest where Milo's disgusting views were barely challenged, at least it got enough attention on him and caused some people to expose him for what he really is. I still think that, with how Maher handled Milo with kid gloves, the appearance was a disaster and I wouldn't do something stupid like "thank" Maher for this.

And I know some are opposed to giving people like MY any attention at all, and I totally understand that. But there *are* ways to diminish him if/when he does get on a show. Heck, this whole thing is also a result of his appearances on two other shows, which exposed his gross views.

I very much doubt his appearane on the show did anything. It was embarrassing for Maher

 

[Prof. Bathtub]

The far right has been doubling down on talk of the "shadow government" run by Obama that is responsible for all of the leaks and mishaps faced by the Trump administration, from the judges ruling against him to Flynn's resignation.

In a G.K. Chesterton-like twist, the entire cabinet, Trump included, are all deep cover Obama plants, each believing they are the only one.