Let's Talk About Sony's Timed Exclusives and Lack of Disclosures
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Still speculation, assuming malevolence (of course from Sony) when stupidity/ incompetence or just some obscure business logic (SE) could be a very likely answer as well.
Note that I'm not saying Sony is above paying for appearance of exclusivity, I'm just saying there is 0 evidence and just assumptions.
It's obviously going to be released day and date with the PS4 EU version (video was rendered after the first PS4 Only trailer did). Will you finally admit it was a marketing deal when it does?
Square Enix didn't confirm or drconfirm anything, they accidentally sent out the wrong video with the real date. They have purposefully been extremely vague about PC release date and have purposefully kept the Steam logo out of their marketing material for weeks. Once again, it's extremely obvious that it's a marketing deal to anyone that has any kind of common sense. The Denuvo situation doesn't make any sense either, they started doing this shit several months before RE7 ever came out and got cracked.
RichiRamjag
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Exactly. This is how they should do it. Hell, I've got a ps4 pro, but it's gotta suck for other platform users. Either make the game exclusive (or don't) or be up front about it.
FlutterPuffs
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Best post in this thread.
Agree with you on all, except on Resident Evil 7 being exclusive on PSVR. Sony does have a reason to moneyhat it, to have a sought after AAA title on VR, a platform that they are actively trying to market.
No, it's Nier. Look, explain to me why you can be so sure it's a marketing deal than another of SE's fuck ups regarding PC releases.
At least with the latter, there's precedence.
Equanimity
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Why should Sony annouce a timed-exclusive partnership on stage or official channel?
That should be left to the actual devs, no?
That should be left to the actual devs, no?
Papacheeks
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BTW the latest trailer says coming to steam on March 10th.
gundamkyoukai
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If Sony has any type of marketing deal for Nier it would be for Japan and PC is not even a issue over there .
Plus for bigger games Sony had no problem letting people know there was a PC version for eg SF5 , NMS
Now all of sudden they going want SE to be quite for niche game like Nier ?
Square won't confirm a PC release for FFXV even though it will probably happen. Doesn't surprise me they're quiet about Nier. Doesn't seem like some kind of deal with Sony although these things can happen I guess. Anyways, generally Sony will always say whether something is exclusive or "coming first" to playstation and then will just be mum on a PC release because they have no obligation to say that, its on the publisher.
There is a difference between not mentionning other platform versions (they never do, even for games we know are coming out on all platforms) and blatantly trying to trick consumers into thinking there won't ever ne other versions (the Tomb Raider fiasco). For example, noone complained about the time exclusivity of DR4 afaik.
FlutterPuffs
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This is another one that's mind boggling. Has there been any leaks, or info from ANY sources at all that Sony is moneyhatting Nier, or is it pure speculation on your part?
Because if there aren't, your posts is more like another one of Alex Jones' rants. Pure speculations without proof behind it.
Same thing happened for FFXV and KH3 too. Announced at Sony's E3 for PS4 but PR from SE later on mentioned Xbox One versions. Or Tekken 7 being announced for PS4 first with PR stating XB1 and PC versions were in development too.
Nobody is asking for that, but don't lie saying it is exclusive when it isn't and don't pay other companies to not acknowledge the existence of other versions.
AHA-Lambda
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Uh, Death Stranding is coming to pc though?
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/kojimas-ps4-console-exclusive-will-come-to-pc/1100-6433155/
Why would they even pull the accidental trailer with the PC release date from their site if they weren't contractually obligated to do so? Why would they misteriously make such a trailer and not release that trailer if there wasn't moneyhat behind it? Why would they self-sabotage the version that would give them the bigger margins.
SE fucks a lot, that's true, but this would be a completely whole new level of fucking up that I don't see being actually possible for any company that is still active. This is several steps beyond their usual fuck ups.
You need any more proof other than looking at how they are handling it? No fucking company in this world would pull this shit of their own volition without a moneyhat behind it.
That's not really the problem here in the case of Crash they decided to not announce it as First on Console, First on PS4 etc but have done in other cases with games being timed exclusive i.e FFVII:R.
Fair point on Crash and the seeming internal confusion about which labels should be used for what releases across the different SCE branches, but other than that? Not so much.
This is still incredibly trivial stuff compared to the antics of MS in the past (Tomb Raider being the obvious standout there, but lets not forget the stunts they've pulled with Metal Gear Rising, MGSV, Plants vs Zombies, etc etc.) Obviously it's shitty business that realistically benefits no one, but even so... Sony have a long way to go before they're even close to being 'worse' than MS here as you claim, OP.
Good post, thanks for saying it so I don't have to. Bernardo's insistence on running this assumption into the ground at every opportunity is beyond tiresome at this point.
This is still incredibly trivial stuff compared to the antics of MS in the past (Tomb Raider being the obvious standout there, but lets not forget the stunts they've pulled with Metal Gear Rising, MGSV, Plants vs Zombies, etc etc.) Obviously it's shitty business that realistically benefits no one, but even so... Sony have a long way to go before they're even close to being 'worse' than MS here as you claim, OP.
Good post, thanks for saying it so I don't have to. Bernardo's insistence on running this assumption into the ground at every opportunity is beyond tiresome at this point.
Yeah Sony never comes through on any of its games. What liars!
AHA-Lambda
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A trailer that has since been redacted
Equanimity
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They didn't lie. Crash is an exclusive, further clarified as timed-exclusive.
Let's not make up stuff now.
I changed my original comment.
Here's what I'm saying:
gundamkyoukai
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Who knows .
Things change when the game was announce it did not even have a engine or any work done .
Plus it's at least 3 to 4 years before it comes out .
ForsakenLotus
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It comes down to how each individual game and how it's handled. The reason so many were furious about Rise of the Tomb Raider is because it was initially a multiplatfoem game, and a at some point after the game was first revealed and the next E3 Microsoft paid Square Enid for timed exclusivity - and to make it worse it is a franshoce associated with Sony to a degree and the Xbox One even early on wasn't nearly as popular as the PS4 so many were missing out.
I don't know the specifics about every Sony PS4 timed exclusive, but nothing immediately comes to mind that is comparable to Rise of the Tomb Raider. Plus, it seems like Microsoft will call something exclusive up until they are pressured into revealing it might not be exclusive whereas Sony just tries to avoid talking about it. I don't like either at all, but Microsoft actively lying and obfuscating the truth is more viscerally frustrating.
I don't know the specifics about every Sony PS4 timed exclusive, but nothing immediately comes to mind that is comparable to Rise of the Tomb Raider. Plus, it seems like Microsoft will call something exclusive up until they are pressured into revealing it might not be exclusive whereas Sony just tries to avoid talking about it. I don't like either at all, but Microsoft actively lying and obfuscating the truth is more viscerally frustrating.
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MetalliCabombination
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Its really subjective.
Sometimes exclusivity sparks interest otherwise not garnered
Sometimes console manufacturers pay upfront for it
Sometimes the dev just wants to focus on a single platform
The only one it objectively harms is a person who doesn't own the system. But thats the market for you.
I mean if you still want to stick to your statement tell me how you think zelda's non exclusivity would've affected the switch's launch sales?
I am not talking about Crash, they have publicly said on stage that Nier and Ni no Kuni 2 were exclusive.
The only thing that is tiresome is fanboys making some crazy ass conspiracy theories in which companies randomly try to sabotage a version of their own game where they get a bigger margin because they just hate money and success or something like that.
Equanimity
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They did? Could you link the conference please?
FlutterPuffs
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SE probably priotrise PS4 sales more.
Let's say Sony is moneyhatting them.
Those trailers with the Steam logo would have never been made. There would have been conversations early on that any mention of PC versions isn't allowed.
I can take opinions and speculations, but you are acting like everyone else is an idiot for not following your line of thought.
The announcer said it was a exclusive but the trailer itself said "console debut", so at least that one I would just blame on the announcer not being properly informed about the game.
Why would they prioritize the version that gives them less margin? Why would they make the trailers and not use them when the game is almost releasing? Spoiler: the trailer is going to go up right on the second they are allowed by their marketing deal. The deal is obviously not going to last forever. That's why they have trailers made. Jesus.
CerebralTiger
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The Q&A it cites is no longer there. This was likely before KP's decision to use GG's Decima engine.
gundamkyoukai
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You have not explain why Sony would moneyhat Nier and tell SE to be quite about the PC version .
They money hats games that much bigger than Nier and we knew about other version .
3rdamention
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Be careful when you do that. GAF is not one person and sometimes Mods will ask for links to these statements (to back up the narrative you are trying to push). GAF is not a hive mind you know.
Equanimity
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Nier or Ni No Kuni 2?
Is this then really a Monehat? When Kojima decided himself for a PS4 Exclusiv engine?
Agreed.
AHA-Lambda
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Except what you've said is basically exactly what has happened.
Since announcement they've not talked about it, and have said they can't talk about it.
Plus yesterday's trailer was removed.
Bits N Pieces
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Shady backdoor deals always happen in the gaming industry and will continue to happen, for all parties.
Its only since the rise of social media and gaming forums that brings out the detective mode in people and folk dont drop it until they get an answer on what it is or isn't.
I dont actually have a problem with any of them doing it as they are looking out for themselves and there customers. It is business after all.
Its only since the rise of social media and gaming forums that brings out the detective mode in people and folk dont drop it until they get an answer on what it is or isn't.
I dont actually have a problem with any of them doing it as they are looking out for themselves and there customers. It is business after all.
FlutterPuffs
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Your posts have been pure speculations.
This is EXACTLY what you have been doing.
No, what I mean is there wouldnt have been any talks at all from the start.
Point is, I know the Nier PC release is a schrodinger's situation at this point. Just for me, considering how crap SE has been at PC releases, this most probably could have been their own doing, than a moneyhat.
We shall see. There's still a month until Nier is out in the west and if it's truly being moneyhatted, the message will be changed to reflect it.
Yeah I don't see it coming to PC anymore, sadly.
So are you willing to send me the proof that Square Enix is doing this of their own volition?
I'll wait.
Blackleg-sanji1
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This confuses me because neither of you can do it...
And here we go again.
I will explain how things are going to happen.
Sony probably has forbidden Kojima to talk about the PC version ever again, they will release the PS5 version without saying it is full exclusive(or lying on stage about it like with Nier or Ni no Kuni 2) but people with believe it is exclusive because they never learn, and a few months after the PS5 version the PC one will show up.
Dargor
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You know you're talking about SE right? The same guys from the RoTTR deal, right?
CerebralTiger
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Seems like it. I mean, Kojima probably would've made Death Stranding regardless of Sony's assistance.
Blackleg-sanji1
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..And fund an AAA game by himself?
The burden of proof isn't on him though.