Crazyorloco
Member
Many gaffers were planning on playing with the joy-cons behind their backs.
I agree with you. Just being mindful of the sensor as I do with my tv remote resolves the issue
Gamexplain Explains the Joy-Con Desyncing Problem
- Thread starter Tom Nook Sawyer
- Start date
Many gaffers were planning on playing with the joy-cons behind their backs.
Twenty7KVN
Member
I hope this is just a small batch of joycons and Nintendo can isolate the problem quickly. If it's a hardware problem of course.
serenewarfare
Banned
I'm just not sure how this is a huge complaint about the system when it's similar to the 3DS battery life and unless I missed something, I don't remember there being an uproar about that system not being a good portable.
I really hope it's fixed, seems like such an odd bug, but I'm going into it assuming it wont be and will be holding my arms outstretched in front of me inches from the screen to make double sure i dont run epona off a cliff
ViolentP
Member
Be forewarned, there is quite a number of "ifs" in this...
If the joy-cons are in fact transmitting signals and if the issue is one of signal strength, Nintendo could potentially release a firmware that would boost the signal which would in turn utilize more stored energy from the battery.
Ifif.
If they are able to boost the signal power, that would in turn cause more of a battery drain. More power to broadcast a stronger signal.
The JoyCon battery already lasts 20 hours, though, so it can afford to lose a bit
TimeEffect
Member
Do some people have fatter hands? Is that whats causing the difference in experience?
Gotcha. Thanks.
If you have time can you try this program Bennett which should let you see the signal strength of Bluetooth devices and compare the Pro Controller to the Joy-Cons? Sadly not all Bluetooth stacks support it so it might show up but not actually display the signal strength.
I'd be really curious at to what your Joy-Con's signal strength is to other people who are having worse problems than you.
That's what I'm thinking. I've seen people comment as though it would take battery from the Switch unit itself (possibly turning 3 hours into...not as much) - but yeah the joy cons can definitely stand to lose a bit of battery life. Especially since the Switch is contstantly charging them.
Wow this could be big if it's actually hardware related. Personally, it wouldn't really pose much of a problem, as I plan to play primarily with the Pro controller or in handheld mode, but I'll be getting a Switch next year, so by then this probably will be something to look back into and chuckle.
darkistheway
Member
After watching the video I can see that there is a problem but one that will never affect the millions of people who will be playing within 10 feet of the console, without ever wrapping their hands around the controller, or hiding it behinds their backs.
Well potentially both, but since it would mostly only effect the system if it were in console mode and the joy-cons are sending the signal for direction or button presses, it would predominately be the joy-cons. No idea how significant it would be though.
Well, thanks to the beauty of genetic variation, hands come in all sizes.
The most sensible solution, imo, would be to allow for a "home" and "away" setting for the strength of the bt signal (if possible, which I think it is) since one doesn't need a strong signal when away but might value battery life. When at home battery life is less of a concern, but signal strength might often be.
I suppose they might mess with the receiver power too, but in that case it would likely really only cause a drop in tabletop mode which is likely the rarest mode of play.
It'll be hard to say until we get tests after such a fix was implemented.
ViolentP
Member
Nah. This is inconvenient at best. RRoD was much more than that.
Dark Cloud
Member
So is this only an American problem or have there been any reports from European or Japanese outlets?
mugoldeneagle03
Member
Has anyone tried replicating the problem on BOTH the Grey & Neon systems? Cause let's be honest those red and blue joycons are already defective in looks alone
half joking
Thank you! This is pretty reassuring.
mr teaspoon
Member
Inconvenient at best? The controllers being unable to provide a reliable, steady signal?
One of the big launch titles for the system asks people to hold the joycons away from the Switch and possibly put their body and/or other people's body in-between the console and the controllers.
If doing something as simple as that cuts off the signal, that's not acceptable.
Nah. This seems like it's a problem that's only going to rear its head in certain setups, similar to PSVR tracking issues. It also isn't a console killer. This is AntennaGate at the very, very, very worst.
reelbigtink
Member
Yeah, it's just an annoyance as opposed to system-bricking.
If it's a hardware issue that has to be sent in for repairs... I kinda hope my system has this fault. The value of a recalled video game console will be insane years down the road.
serenewarfare
Banned
No way. RROD rendered systems unusable. This is inconvenient and unacceptable, but it's not a system killer. At worst it will cause people to have to use their controllers differently.
This continues to be a really strange issue.
darkistheway
Member
But not 10 feet away. Assuming you are talking about 1,2 Switch you will be hovering over the system.
I'm not saying there is no problem, just that it probably won't affect most users.
MHWilliams
Member
It was complained about.
https://www.engadget.com/2011/03/08/nintendo-3ds-review-japanese/
http://www.tested.com/tech/gaming/1622-nintendo-3ds-battery-life-claims-vs-8-mobile-game-consoles/
http://www.giantbomb.com/nintendo-3ds/3045-117/forums/the-battery-life-really-isnt-that-bad-489660/
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2013/05/nintendo_has_a_sense_of_humour_about_poor_3ds_battery_life
We got used to it, but no, people weren't happy about it at the time.
ViolentP
Member
Considering the frequency and length in which it has been reported to happen, yes. Inconvenient, moreso when compared to the RRoD.
7DollarHagane
Banned
I'm really thinking it has to do with a low power mode that is meant for when the joycons are docked and the system not switching from low power to full power signal when using the joycons undocked.
So that would explain why it doesn't happen always when covering the joycons but only when it's stuck in the low power mode meant for docked joycons since they will be close to the tablet and to save battery power.
Crazyorloco
Member
Best case scenario is a firmware update in March to boost signal strength comes. I wouldn't mind the lost in battery life for the joy cons since we'll always hook it up to the switch to charge when done.
serenewarfare
Banned
I was unaware of this. So yeah, I was wrong about it.
But I think history has proven out that the 3DS performs just fine as a handheld and portable device even with the battery constraints.
Well, I mean, you can at least play the game.
RROD was a dead console, dead.
See a margin? I'm not saying this is acceptable in any way, though, this would be a launch defect too, but NOTHING compared to the disaster RROD was to Microsoft.
Last_colossi
Member
Surely Nintendo knew this was a problem beforehand, having controllers with that weak of a signal isn't something that you don't fucking notice.
If Nintendo doesn't fix this by launch or least acknowledge that it's a problem that they can fix (wether that fix is a set of free replacement joy-cons or a software update) then they will have a flood of cancelled pre-orders.
Dark Cloud
Member
Now they're comparing it to RRODEATH? They're trying too hard.
MHWilliams
Member
MHWilliams, is it possible the two front page threads about the Joy Con issues can be merged? It's a little tough following both threads
I'll ask another mod about it.
(I participate in Gaming side, but I don't mod it for the most part, to prevent issues.)
shanafan
Member
Oh but it is once you factor in the Nintendosity of the issue. The RRoD 360s were dead after arrival.
Parapraxis
Member
Goddamn, I've never witnessed a company have such loyal fans as Nintendo. Any other company would be ripped to shreds by literally everyone for shit like this.
I didn't even plan to get Switch within year one (at least) and I think some people here are seriously overreacting.
If you're going to cancel your pre-order because of the meager launch lineup, or because you don't trust the game lineup going forward, or you think the price is too high for now, that's one thing. But there are firmware updates, recalls, etc. for hardware issues, and Nintendo does not exactly have a poor track record when it comes to hardware support. If I had a pre-order in, I personally wouldn't cancel it just because of this.
If you're going to cancel your pre-order because of the meager launch lineup, or because you don't trust the game lineup going forward, or you think the price is too high for now, that's one thing. But there are firmware updates, recalls, etc. for hardware issues, and Nintendo does not exactly have a poor track record when it comes to hardware support. If I had a pre-order in, I personally wouldn't cancel it just because of this.
ViolentP
Member
In fairness to some of those people, I'd like to believe it isn't this isolated incident that caused them to cancel but rather the accumulation of several details surrounding this release. It's just that one of those items has to be the final.
I am the last person one would refer to as a Nintendo fan but even amidst this news, I haven't cancelled my pre-order. I genuinely believe there is a solution to this problem and the patience I have for them to fix it is greater than the patience I have to try and snag a console when everyone is trying to get one at the same time.
So problems with the console almost a year after launch, with not even a full page of responses
vs.
a repeatable issue with only a tiny amount of consoles currently available to press a week before launch...
For controller De-Synchs? Not really. This is getting a similar reaction to the PSVR tracking issues and XBOX One controller desynchs.
Some people getting really worried, some acting like it's nothing and everything in between.