There are no M version of the 10XX series. Laptops use the same cards as desktops, though I guess mostly underclocked as to not overheat.
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Scorpio GPU Equivalent to a GTX 1070?
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There are no M version of the 10XX series. Laptops use the same cards as desktops, though I guess mostly underclocked as to not overheat.
Being compared to a mid-range 2017 PC sounds great in my book.
also equating it to the same power of any newly released console telling me that it really is as many of us expected, a complete upgrade of the machine/generation just with built-in backward compatibility and without leaving original users behind.
also equating it to the same power of any newly released console telling me that it really is as many of us expected, a complete upgrade of the machine/generation just with built-in backward compatibility and without leaving original users behind.
chromatic9
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If we go off what we currently know then AMD 6 tflops would be around 390x/RX 480 or GTX 980 perf.
Fury X is 8.5 tflops and gets smashed by a GTX 1070. If AMD have got themselves in line with NVidia with perf per watt and are rating the same then sure but until we see it, nope.
Fury X is 8.5 tflops and gets smashed by a GTX 1070. If AMD have got themselves in line with NVidia with perf per watt and are rating the same then sure but until we see it, nope.
no it wouldnt because a. scorpio is 6tf not 5.8 and b. who puts an overclocked card in a console ?
You can't directly compare Nvidia and AMD cards by TFLOPs. It will be a really good day when people actually understand this, because it's been explained for a decade or more.
A Radeon RX 480 is 5.8 TF. A Geforce GTX 1060 is about 4.4 TF. But in terms of real-world performance, they're roughly equal.
In general, you can multiply the Nvidia flops by 1.3 to see the closest AMD equivalent. If AMD had an equivalent to the GTX 1070, it would be ~8.4 TF. This isn't perfect math, but the Scorpio GPU is much closer to a GTX 1060 than it is a 1070.
A Radeon RX 480 is 5.8 TF. A Geforce GTX 1060 is about 4.4 TF. But in terms of real-world performance, they're roughly equal.
In general, you can multiply the Nvidia flops by 1.3 to see the closest AMD equivalent. If AMD had an equivalent to the GTX 1070, it would be ~8.4 TF. This isn't perfect math, but the Scorpio GPU is much closer to a GTX 1060 than it is a 1070.
Jaguar Victory
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My money is on downclocked rx580.
Now let's see how long until onQ comes in about the HBM
Now let's see how long until onQ comes in about the HBM
Sad Affleck
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That does seem plausible.
JonnyDBrit
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Given the sorts of setting adjustments between platforms for third party games at the moment, I suspect what it'll most mean is devs trying to use it to push higher graphics settings out of those they already have in PC builds, and/or higher performance. So with something in the range of a GTX 1060 or 1070, a game like the Witcher 3 would theoretically be able to achieve a mostly locked 1080p60 on Scorpio with everything but hairworks enabled. It would also be able to theoretically play the game at a 4k30 performance target.
On the other hand, that presumes game devs don't take Scorpio as an excuse to push the boundaries of current games performance in a similar fashion to what they would with a typical generation launch. I doubt they would because of Microsoft wanting to maintain Xbox One's relevancy for now, but the possibility is there.
SeeNoWeevil
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Looking forward to those 6TF smashing out some glorious 30fps.
GameAddict411
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I doubt it will match the GTX 1070 in power. Remember that TFLOPS numbers don't translate well from AMD and Nvida. It will similar to a highly Overclocked RX 480 with a very bad CPU. Which is perfect for scaling up resolution and some GPU dependent effects, but enough to run games at 60 FPS.
I think it has less to do with what MS would want and more to do with the entire rest of the hardware industry not going in that direction until the market leader does, as they arent even ready to go to the next step just yet with XB1 and PS4 by far the largest part of the market place
It will also need a big boost CPU wise for that
franklyshankly
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The 0.2 Tflop difference between 6 and 5.8 is about 3%. To me that qualifies as a reasonable estimate as I stated. I also didn't say it was exactly a 480, I just said that was similar. 6 Polaris TFlops vs 5.8 Polaris TFlops will be pretty similar regardless of what the exact chip is.
Jaguar Victory
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Wet just don't know yet. How good is Vega? They fixed the cpu side with Ryzen, can they do the same on the GPU side with Vega?
GameAddict411
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The PS4 pro GPU is based on the RX 480 but it's running at much lower clock speed(911 MHZ vs 1233 MHZ). A regular RX 480 runs about 25% faster but also has much more memory bandwidth.
Jaguar Victory
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Heat, power draw. Not happening.
When it comes to well optimized Xbox Scorpio games ported to PC, I'd suspect parity will be achieved with a 1070, unless the port is botched.
That is, if MS hasn't misled us about specs, and if you have a title like RDR2 and they maximize the Scorpio version, and the PC version is ported later, you'll get like performance out of a 1070.
That is, if MS hasn't misled us about specs, and if you have a title like RDR2 and they maximize the Scorpio version, and the PC version is ported later, you'll get like performance out of a 1070.
GameAddict411
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From the leaks we have from Digital Foundry, the CPU will still be the same Jaguar cores running at higher frequency. We still haven't seen any reports of Ryzen being used in the Scorpio and I doubt it will ever will. I can't even imagine how big the chip has to be fit a big GPU with a big CPU. Vega a possibility, but we don't know yet. It's just not going to be much faster than an RX 480. It might an underclocked Vega GPU that we don't know about, but Vega will be competing with Nvidia GTX 1070 and GTX 1080/TI.
Maybe that will change with Vega?
That was 10 months old.
^ Technically the documents we got for switch were also very old, but pretty much same components are probably in final unit. You dont change out components on a dime, even a year out is unlikely.
it won't.
it won't.
Jaguar Victory
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Do you have any Vega info?
The Scorpio is going to be a reasonably powerful gaming machine, but frankly far from a generational leap compared to the PS4 Pro and comparable to a pretty average 2017 gaming pc. Pretty far from the performance you get with a 1070 paired with an i5, nevermind the really powerful 1080 and Pascal Titan X.
Jaguar Victory
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Even though I think it will have Ryzen, in this instance I was referring to AMD not the Scorpio. AMD fixed their CPU side. Can they fix their GPU side too?
If so, they're about to print Intel, Nvidia money.
GameAddict411
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I was last month:
"there is renewed speculation that Scorpio may feature more advanced Zen CPU cores. However, a throwaway comment within the Microsoft whitepaper on how developers may wish to use Scorpio's capabilities again makes this seem unlikely."
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-the-race-to-4k-how-scorpio-targets-ultra-hd-gaming
He means the paper itself was from many months ago
JonnyDBrit
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Yeah that's a fair enough and additional point - if anything it just adds to the argument it can't raise the overhead for graphical performance industry wide to any significant margin, because the current market is locked to weaker units.
Another fair point, and does raise some interesting questions on the performance gains for the system. 1080p60 and 4k30 are the most obvious benchmark capabilities to try and pursue with the apparent upgrade on GPU, but if the GPU would be bottlenecked by the CPU for it, kinda have to wonder what the point of Scorpio would even be.
Makes me wonder if PS4 Pro will ever get a firmware update to increase clocks.
Jaguar Victory
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In 3 years, it better be that or higher.
My guess would be somewhere in between a 1080 and titan.
Probably they will go AMD though so could be Vega or theoretically a gen after that.
Why though? High end GPUs from 2010 were better than what's in the XB1 & PS4. Given the same price point I don't see any reason why it would be different this time.
Proelite
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People in the know what already gotten update to date Scorpio specs (source is Matt). They're what MS has said Scorpio will be, with the exception that the ram amount (12GB) is now known, and no minimal increase in cpu power (no Zen).
GTX 1070 in a console is a level above what 6TF Vega can do in a console. I wouldn't be surprised if takes a PC with 1070 / 1080 to develop for the Scorpio.
GTX 1070 in a console is a level above what 6TF Vega can do in a console. I wouldn't be surprised if takes a PC with 1070 / 1080 to develop for the Scorpio.
Very unlikely, and it doesn't need to change. People just need to start understanding that you can't compare the two directly with flops.
Does he need it? It's been the same story for many years. Why would it change now? AMD isn't reinventing their entire manufacturing process.
Sony would be stupid to launch anything less than 15 TF (in AMD terms) given that the jump from 1080p to 4K is requires MUCH more relative GPU power than the jump from 720p to 1080p. 15 to 20 TF would be about in line with previous generational leaps. People can dispute that all they want, but did anyone expect the PS4 and XB1 to have 16x the RAM as PS3 and 360? People tend to underestimate just how quickly tech advances.
Jaguar Victory
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No man..
www.techspot.com/amp/guides/304-top-mainstream-and-highend-graphics-cards/
If I told you a year ago that AMD would be causing chaos at Intel headquarters, what would you have told me?
That leak said nothing about jaguar CPU st all. Control F Jaguar no results lol did read the papers?
You don't change suddenly the console architecture because a better desktop cpu it's released in the same year of the console release. If Ryzen will be, it's because MS has planned Scorpio with it from the beginning.
Jaguar it's the most obvious and convenient solution. The only alternative it's Ryzen but I doubt it's possible with a decent price point.
Bl@de
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Even if AMD improves it with Vega (and Vega is part of Scorpio). Still not comparable.
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You cannot squeeze 980ti-level power out of a $400-500 machine atm without taking some massive losses.
Jaguar Victory
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Think logically. If they improve it to match NVIDIA performance, why would it not be comparable?
The key is ATM. Like you couldn't imagine a 6tf GPU release for $200 until the rx480 dropped last year.
SenjutsuSage
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6950/70 came out at the end of 2010 and easily outclasses the PS4.
1080 ti coming out this spring lined up pretty well to a 2019 PS5 release... so yeah.
AMD's CPU division was in a slump, but that has nothing to do with how their GPUs have always been compared. The TF calculation of their cards has nothing to do with their quality, value, or place in the market. And changing their architecture in such a way that they can be compared like-for-like with Nvidia cards via TFLOPs isn't going to change that. If Vega is awesome and presents a much better value proposition compared to Nvidia, THAT is what will dictate its success regardless of how the flops compare.
Lmao hear it first Scorpio 4.3TF