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[Futureman]

YEA HE SURE TOLD THEM!

wut? shit is ugly and everyone seemed to have the exact same reaction to it. it doesn't suck because it's different than the former; it sucks because it just fucking sucks.

if "we" disagrees than whoever "we" is needs their eyes checked or sense of design taste re-examined.

Wow. Haha.

I'm totally fine with the new icon. In fact, I think it fits nicely in with the iTunes Store digital media focus. Everyone is going to think the old one looks stupid in a few months.

Seriously, iTunes feels barely changed to me. I still use CoverFlow for my albums. I still barely use the Music Store (Ping? Seriously? why would I want to do this? Like someone said earlier, it really just feels like a big advertising scheme for Apple). In fact, I mainly use my Touch to listen to music, I feel like I don't even really use iTunes that much anymore now that I have a laptop.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Wow. Haha.

I'm totally fine with the new icon. In fact, I think it fits nicely in with the iTunes Store digital media focus. Everyone is going to think the old one looks stupid in a few months.

I agree that the old one was past its time. I just disagree that the new one says anything about digital media. they need one that says digital media...but this one doesn't do it, in our opinion.

it's just some gradients, dogg. some basic gradients. :-/

 

[Brinbe]

Bah, don't use iTunes myself, but complaints always come with seemingly drastic change, especially with anything online or software related. Give it time and people will move on.

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

Seriously. The old icon sucked ass too, you just never gave a shit because that's what normal people do: not give a shit about unimportant details.

well... fuck normal people!

ffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

 

[FreedomFrisbee]

Normally I don't pay attention to this kind of stuff. But this seems like the place to ask.

Im disgruntled about the changes to iTunes. Particularly the 'Albums by Artist' bar. Is there a way to get rid of that? Cause its annoying as all hell. I can't move it around, I can't make it smaller, I cant make it go away. What do?

 

[giga]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=385837&page=18

 

[Manics]

Dude if you think this is bad, you may want to check out this. :lol

Brand New

Unreal. People have too much time on their hands.

 

[Futureman]

Unreal. People have too much time on their hands.

What? What's wrong with that site?

If you are interested in graphic design and brand imaging, it's actually a very fascinating read. Unreal? YOU'RE UNREAL.

 

[Blackhead]

Seriously. The old icon sucked ass too, you just never gave a shit because that's what normal people do: not give a shit about unimportant details.

Apple geeks cared about this stuff. They've been changing icons for decades. And those are the people complaining loudest...

Or maybe not. Most of us just launched CandyBar, used our favorite iTunes replacement icon, and went on without making a fuss. Apparently the iTunes 10 icon is the first one some folks here have ever bothered to change :lol

Spoiler

no offense

@Giga your avatar ?!

 

[kaskade]

For everyone complaining about the icon, just download a new one,

 

[Dreams-Visions]

What? What's wrong with that site?

If you are interested in graphic design and brand imaging, it's actually a very fascinating read. Unreal? YOU'RE UNREAL.

it's one of my favorite sites.

 

[Tobor]

I like the new iTunes, but then again, I barely use it anyway. I'd have to actually use my Macbook for something other than syncing in order to use iTunes.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Normally I don't pay attention to this kind of stuff. But this seems like the place to ask.

Im disgruntled about the changes to iTunes. Particularly the 'Albums by Artist' bar. Is there a way to get rid of that? Cause its annoying as all hell. I can't move it around, I can't make it smaller, I cant make it go away. What do?

if you click it you can change it to 'Album by Title' or 'Album by Artist/Year' . you can also change the size of the coverart. I am also able to minimize it so that it only shows the coverart. Not sure how why you wouldn't want your music sorted by albums. :/

unless I am completely misunderstanding what bar you are talking about.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

Honestly, nothing REALLY bothers me about iTunes 10. Apple did actually do a couple of UI things right with this release. For example, the Volume Bar is now a bigger target, which is a great thing for usability. Getting rid of the static "iTunes" title bar also makes sense, especially considering some of the most popular Macs have 1280x800 screens. The vertical stoplight I'm indifferent about, as, yes, it's saving screen realestate, sweet, but it's also not following OS X GUI guidelines (do I really care?).

Otherwise, however, iTunes 10's UI changes seem to be nothing more than change for change's sake. It's been like this for a couple of years now, and for such a big application, such technology stagnation is frustrating. Personally, I always have thought iTunes 8 has had the best of all the GUIs. The Grid View with the black background is still beautiful. Since then, however, it seems as if the only thing that has changed in each revision was the UI. Not because the UI was receiving a step forward, but a move sideways because they needed something new for this year's release.

Meanwhile, the application is as heavy as ever. Yes, we've received several updates that supposedly improve performance, but honestly, I haven't noticed much of a difference. Fact of the matter is, we probably won't see major changes in both GUI and performance until iTunes is finally rewritten in Cocoa.

Not sure what I think of the Gray iTunes yet. I understand Jobs's logic of drawing attention to the content, but at the same time, if we followed that logic, the whole entire OS would be nothing but a solid gray, (more so than it already is), which I'm not sure I would like to work in.

 

[grap3fruitman]

So do we have a specific date for the iPods yet? My Amazon order is just sitting there. I want a new iPod now. >=(

 

[Zeouterlimits]

So do we have a specific date for the iPods yet? My Amazon order is just sitting there. I want a new iPod now. >=(

The 8th in the States I believe, 10th in Europe. Just ordered mine off the Irish Apple site 2 minutes ago

 

[Gamecocks625]

So do we have a specific date for the iPods yet? My Amazon order is just sitting there. I want a new iPod now. >=(

Same here. I just reordered once the prices dropped on Amazon and went with the 64GB version (Touch).

I had hoped I'd get it on the 10th w/Prime but we'll see.

 

[caramac]

Very true. iTunes isn't really shitty on Windows anymore. Still has a long way to go to be up to the level of amazingness that it is on OS X though.

Yeah l would imagine .....one day l'll bite the bullet and treat myself to a mac.

 

[Burai]

Honestly, nothing REALLY bothers me about iTunes 10. Apple did actually do a couple of UI things right with this release. For example, the Volume Bar is now a bigger target, which is a great thing for usability. Getting rid of the static "iTunes" title bar also makes sense, especially considering some of the most popular Macs have 1280x800 screens. The vertical stoplight I'm indifferent about, as, yes, it's saving screen realestate, sweet, but it's also not following OS X GUI guidelines (do I really care?).

I quite like the vertical traffic lights as I never use them anyway (Keyboard shortcuts all the way) and anything which gives more usable screen area is always a bonus.

The fact you can enable and disable it in the Terminal makes me hope that it'll become the norm going forward.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=385837&page=18

Nothing will beat the "Wii" backlash, nothing.

Yeah l would imagine .....one day l'll bite the bullet and treat myself to a mac.

Switching back to Windows was the worst computing decisions of my life.

Wait until the new Macbook Pro (or if you have money and power isn't an issue then Air) launches and treat yourself to the best computer on the market.

 

[fireside]

Why?

I didn’t like it. And I’d rather not get into a spat over an application.

 

[Blackhead]

iTunes X: User Interface Concept

Seems like everyone’s disappointed with the iTunes 10 user interface. It’s neither radically different to be appreciative of new concepts, nor does it maintain its previous aesthetics. Instead of rethinking the user interface to accomodate for the different services that iTunes provides, Apple has merely shoved them into nooks and crannies, completely detatched from each other. What I’m trying to say is, Ping could have been so much more.

Scott Jensen (@ScottTheRocker) has been doing some thinking, and designing, which has resulted in this fantastic user interface concept. I agree it’s not perfect, and in some respects a little WMP-like, but if Apple were to only put in some effort in pushing a new user interface, iTunes X 10 could have been a media management platform worth lusting after. Check out Scott’s redesign in full.

That won't fix iTunes' core problem which is that it does too much. I've got a few replacement apps that individually only perform a few of iTunes features but each does one thing very well

 

[Mailenstein]

Seriously. The old icon sucked ass too, you just never gave a shit because that's what normal people do: not give a shit about unimportant details.

I love the way you show people how stupid they are.

 

[Tobor]

iTunes X: User Interface Concept


That won't fix iTunes' core problem which is that it does too much. I've got a few replacement apps that individually only perform a few of iTunes features but each does one thing very well

Facepalm.gif

It's a database application, what functionality would you remove?

 

[Blackhead]

Facepalm.gif

It's a database application, what functionality would you remove?

So what? By that reasoning Apple should merge iPhoto and Address Book with iTunes because they are all database applications (that also house data synced with iPods and iPhones).

I think, for a start, iBooks shouldn't be in iTunes. It should be a standalone application (or combined with preview). The music, movies and app stores should be in a separate application. The music and podcast player can be a separated from the movie and tv shows player etc.

 

[Burai]

iTunes X: User Interface Concept


That won't fix iTunes' core problem which is that it does too much. I've got a few replacement apps that individually only perform a few of iTunes features but each does one thing very well

What iTunes needs is a total rewrite.

It should be able to do what it does with ease but it still lags on an i7 with 6GB RAM. It's just new stuff piled on top of old creaking code.

I'm sure Apple have something on thte way (it's unlikely Apple thought "we need to rewrite all of our software in 64 bit Cocoa apart from iTunes") but it's long overdue.

 

[rezuth]

What iTunes needs is a total rewrite.

It should be able to do what it does with ease but it still lags on an i7 with 6GB RAM. It's just new stuff piled on top of old creaking code.

I'm sure Apple have something on thte way (it's unlikely Apple thought "we need to rewrite all of our software in 64 bit Cocoa apart from iTunes") but it's long overdue.

I think its pretty safe to say they are working on a new iTunes but I doubt we will see it until the release of the next OS X.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

I love the way you show people how stupid they are.

Agreed. He presents such rock solid arguments.

 

[Mailenstein]

Agreed. He presents such rock solid arguments.

Seriously, why would you cry over an icon? There is a dozen of ways how to change an icon. I don't like any of Apple's original icons, so I design them myself and use them afterwards.

So when I see how people argue over that iTunes 10 icon all I can do is to shake my head. And yeah, Liu Kang Baking A Pie nails it pretty often.

 

[LCfiner]

What iTunes needs is a total rewrite.

It should be able to do what it does with ease but it still lags on an i7 with 6GB RAM. It's just new stuff piled on top of old creaking code.

I'm sure Apple have something on thte way (it's unlikely Apple thought "we need to rewrite all of our software in 64 bit Cocoa apart from iTunes") but it's long overdue.

what parts lag? I’m on an i5 with 8GB. smoother than iTunes 9 when hooking up the iPhone or ipad (the main area where iTunes 9 beachballed) and it’s about as fast as any app I’ve used when switching between source list sections or searching.

iTunes 8 was the last time I felt that the program was sluggish and overblown. the last two years have sped up the program each time.

(FYI: I have a 50 GB music library plus a 30 GB movie library stored inside iTunes)

I like how iTunes handles my iPhone syncing plus music playing and store purchasing. I like how store based features like Genius are enabled with my personal library. I like how I don’t have to open up a second program just to sync my iPhone (whenever I hear people talk wistfully about isync, I roll my eyes. I used it with my old w810i phone. it’s not all that hot)

If anything, I want iTunes to do more. I want it to stream my library over 3g to my iPhone. I want it to sync over wifi to my ipad and iPhone. I want Genius to be more like Zune DJ and mix in songs from the store, not just my library (if I choose).

I guess I just can’t get mad at a program that (now, with ver 10) launches in around 2 seconds on my computer and handles almost 100 GB of media without stalling or beachballing or becoming unresponsive.

the slowest part of the program is the store — and that’s more limited by Apple’s webkit engine and my network connection.


ALSO: anyone who wants a music only player for Mac that works with your itunes database may want to check out "ecoute”. small program that reads your iTunes database and does nothing but play music. iTunes does not need to be open in the background.

 

[Vyse The Legend]

So, when are everyone's iPods suppose to arrive? Mine says Friday.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I think its pretty safe to say they are working on a new iTunes but I doubt we will see it until the release of the next OS X.

I don't know how safe that assumption is, really. for me on my SSD drive, it's flawless.

it only lags a bit when opening the app. but as faster HDDs come out, its slowness really kinda disappears.

 

[Sean]

So what? By that reasoning Apple should merge iPhoto and Address Book with iTunes because they are all database applications (that also house data synced with iPods and iPhones).

I think, for a start, iBooks shouldn't be in iTunes. It should be a standalone application (or combined with preview). The music, movies and app stores should be in a separate application. The music and podcast player can be a separated from the movie and tv shows player etc.

I agree that iTunes is kinda bloated, but splitting it up into three separate apps like that would just be ridiculous and not user-friendly at all. Sales from the iTunes Store would plummet if it was broken up into a separate app for example.

I don't think Apple needs to necessarily strip out a ton of iTunes features, it just needs a rewrite and "rethinking" of how things are done. This app started out as purely a music player and they tacked on a ton of extra things over the years - podcasts, movies/TV shows, ringtones, books, apps, etc. It just needs to be redesigned with all that stuff in mind IMO.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

It should be able to do what it does with ease but it still lags on an i7 with 6GB RAM.

I'm sure Apple have something on thte way (it's unlikely Apple thought "we need to rewrite all of our software in 64 bit Cocoa apart from iTunes") but it's long overdue.

I am running a Core 2 Duo iMac with 4GB of RAM and have no lag issues whatsoever with iTunes. The only lag is at startup where it delivers the genius information.

But I do agree that they need a new 64bit version. I was really hoping that iTunes 10 would have been it, but no such luck.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

Actually, probably one of the most annoying things about iTunes 10:

In what is likely Apple's attempt to further depreciate CDs, the "Burn to Disc" button is now gone from playlists. Instead, it is now in the File menu or in the contextual menu when right-clicking playlists. What's more, the little squiggly circle next to the song that is currently being burned is now gone. Sweet Apple.

Too bad the 30 year-old Redbook CD standard still produces audio that is higher quality than what is available on the iTunes Store.

Can't wait to see what Google does to have a competitive edge over iTunes and Amazon. I'm betting it's either going to be higher-quality audio or some kind of cloud service.

 

[Tobor]

So what? By that reasoning Apple should merge iPhoto and Address Book with iTunes because they are all database applications (that also house data synced with iPods and iPhones).

I think, for a start, iBooks shouldn't be in iTunes. It should be a standalone application (or combined with preview). The music, movies and app stores should be in a separate application. The music and podcast player can be a separated from the movie and tv shows player etc.

So you want it to be less convenient with no conceivable benefit.

Makes sense.

 

[numble]

Can't wait to see what Google does to have a competitive edge over iTunes and Amazon. I'm betting it's either going to be higher-quality audio or some kind of cloud service.

If Google Music China is anything to go by, you can download MP3s encoded at 190kbps VBR and stream music that is the same or lower quality (I don't know how to check, and who can really tell the difference?).

 

[LCfiner]

So what? By that reasoning Apple should merge iPhoto and Address Book with iTunes because they are all database applications (that also house data synced with iPods and iPhones).

I think, for a start, iBooks shouldn't be in iTunes. It should be a standalone application (or combined with preview). The music, movies and app stores should be in a separate application. The music and podcast player can be a separated from the movie and tv shows player etc.

I think you should think about what you just said for a second and what this means for a first time iPhone owner who has a windows PC at home. (let’s assume Mac users get these apps built-in from the store)

they get their brand new iPhone and they want to start using it. So they need to go to Apple.com and…


download and install iMusic store
download and install iBookstore
download and install iMoviestore
download and install App store
download and install iSync
download and install media player

Great, I want to get some music. I need to use the iMusicstore shortcut from the desktop. click. new window opens. I buy some music. now I want to listen to it.

Do I then have to open another Apple app to listen to this music? click on new shortcut and open another app for playing music.

Oh, I also want to rent Kick-ass and sync that. I need to click on the iMoviestore link. then rent the movie. if I want to start watching it?

I need to switch to the media player app.

OH WAIT. you suggest ANOTHER player for movies. shit, I forgot to download that. back to Apple.com (ok, I’m exaggerating here but it’s still kinda nuts that a media player needs to be split up into music and video. what about music videos? brain... melting...)

Time to get this shit onto the iPhone! Heck yeah

then I need to open up iSync separately from this and hook up the iPhone and select the movie I just downloaded onto the iPhone. Oh, and I want apps of course, so I need to click on the App store shortcut.

so you got, let’s see, 6 (!) windows on your screen, 6 icons in the start bar and, the kicker here, the iSync app still needs to read a master database (or a collection of databases - yikes) to get all this disparate media onto the single iPhone. the underlying logic as to how iTunes works is still there!



You’re a smart poster but in this case, I really think you’re looking at it the wrong way, thinking that somehow breaking up the components will make them all faster and make the experience easier.

I think it will make the experience MORE complex and it’s doubtful that each component will even be faster. In fact, all the window switching and cognitive load to know which app to use will waste more time than the current 2-3 second delay to open up the iTunes store from within iTunes.

 

[Mecha_Infantry]

So what? By that reasoning Apple should merge iPhoto and Address Book with iTunes because they are all database applications (that also house data synced with iPods and iPhones).

I think, for a start, iBooks shouldn't be in iTunes. It should be a standalone application (or combined with preview). The music, movies and app stores should be in a separate application. The music and podcast player can be a separated from the movie and tv shows player etc.

Ohh hell no.

How many different applications will that be I like iTunes for what it does, but not how it does it. I still find it to be reasonably snappy. BUt controlling and managing my music is a little too confusing, I really wish they would simplify the options

But if you're talking about having seperate apps for all of the different features; I think you're wrong

 

[Mecha_Infantry]

Also, after a few days of avoiding the moaning, I think Jobsy is actually right, the icon is kinda beautiful when it's in the dock (sorry for the long pic, will edit if needed)

 

[Burger]

Actually, probably one of the most annoying things about iTunes 10:

In what is likely Apple's attempt to further depreciate CDs, the "Burn to Disc" button is now gone from playlists. Instead, it is now in the File menu or in the contextual menu when right-clicking playlists. What's more, the little squiggly circle next to the song that is currently being burned is now gone. Sweet Apple.

Too bad the 30 year-old Redbook CD standard still produces audio that is higher quality than what is available on the iTunes Store.

Can't wait to see what Google does to have a competitive edge over iTunes and Amazon. I'm betting it's either going to be higher-quality audio or some kind of cloud service.

What are you talking about? It's been largely proven by the massive success of iPod's and the iTunes store that most consumers don't give a flying fart about audio quality and bitrates. Apple isn't attempting to depreciate CDs, that's just the way the market is going and they are reacting, like a business with foresight should.

If you want a competitive edge over Apple first make a better MP3 player than the iPod Touch, then make it the same price, then create a piece of software like iTunes and release it for free, and create a music store to support all of that.

Nobody has shown they are even close to doing anything like that.

 

[Pachimari]

Don't know where to ask this so I'll try in here if you guys don't mind.
I got iTunes 10 on my Mac Mini (Spring 2010) but now it keeps crashing when I click on 'apps' in the 'iPhone' panel and it just crashed twice just entering the program.

That means, that I can't store all of my content on my Mac and neither can I transfer apps to my iPhone. It brings this message whenever it crashes:

"iTunes quit unexpectedly."

Then I can see problem details with info like:

Process: iTunes [534]
Path:
Code Type: X86 (Native)
Parent Process: launchd (87)
Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGBUS)
Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0x00000d

etc.

It's really frustrating me, that I can't store my music in iTunes now and listen on the speakers and transfer stuff to my iPhone - it keeps crashing.

I got all of my content on an external harddrive, I usually transfer it to the local 'Music' folder on the Mac Mini.

For your notification, after having it crash on me, I 'Appzapped' it with the application and installed iTunes 10 from Apple.com.

 

[Sean]

Also, after a few days of avoiding the moaning, I think Jobsy is actually right, the icon is kinda beautiful when it's in the dock (sorry for the long pic, will edit if needed)

I think the main thing that pisses me off about the new icon is the color. I'm personally sick of blue icons (and yes, I know iTunes 9 had a blue note icon). I think an orange one like the iPod touch icon might look cool.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

What are you talking about? It's been largely proven by the massive success of iPod's and the iTunes store that most consumers don't give a flying fart about audio quality and bitrates. Apple isn't attempting to depreciate CDs, that's just the way the market is going and they are reacting, like a business with foresight should.

Most consumers aren't educated in the subject.

 

[soul creator]

If you want a competitive edge over Apple first make a better MP3 player than the iPod Touch, then make it the same price, then create a piece of software like iTunes and release it for free, and create a music store to support all of that.

Nobody has shown they are even close to doing anything like that.

that's already been done (at least, strictly on the mp3 player aspect)

Spoiler

I own and love both my iPhone 4 and Zune 120GB

 

[whitehawk]

God damn I can't decide if I need a 32GB or a 64GB version.

I have:

- 10GB of music (will keep getting bigger however)
- 17GB of video (however this is because I have nearly ever south park episode on my 30gb ipod video, which I don't really need)
- 100mb of games (I guess this could go up to 1GB with a touch)

The only think I'm worried that will take up room is the video/pictures...

 

[Xun]

For everyone complaining about the icon, just download a new one,

Where did you get this?

I would make one myself, but I'm just lazy. :lol

Edit:

that's already been done (at least, strictly on the mp3 player aspect)

Spoiler

I own and love both my iPhone 4 and Zune 120GB

Zunes do not work on Macs, so it's pointless mentioning them in an Apple thread.

They do look sweet though.

 

[Big-ass Ramp]

So, when are everyone's iPods suppose to arrive? Mine says Friday.

10th-14th.

God damn I can't decide if I need a 32GB or a 64GB version.

I have:

- 10GB of music (will keep getting bigger however)
- 17GB of video (however this is because I have nearly ever south park episode on my 30gb ipod video, which I don't really need)
- 100mb of games (I guess this could go up to 1GB with a touch)

The only think I'm worried that will take up room is the video/pictures...

If you're going to spend the coin on a Touch, you might as well get sometthing that will definitely last you for the long haul. Go for the 64gb, don't risk it with the 32gb.

 

[Buckethead]

Best redesign of new iTunes icon is this one, imo. Copies the iPhone style.

The circle is a hideous concept and should die in a fire.
No depth or weight to it whatsoever.

Download: http://mattiasekstrom.deviantart.com/art/iTunes-10-Revised-177699346

 

[soul creator]

Where did you get this?

I would make one myself, but I'm just lazy. :lol

Edit:

Zunes do not work on Macs, so it's pointless mentioning them in an Apple thread.

They do look sweet though.

well technically I would say it's more of an iPod thread and I'm sure there are plenty of windows users here (though I agree that is a point against the Zune)