House Republicans/Ryan Finally Release ACA Repeal (lol) and Replace (lol) Bill

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Wait so the White House cancelled afternoon meetings? They probably making sure everyone is on the same page and they will trash this bill.
 
Statement from the Koch Brother's SuperPACs:

First, the bill fails to repeal all of Obamacare's regulations and mandates, which would continue to increase costs while denying Americans the ability to get the type of coverage that best meets their needs. The entire premise of repeal has been to offer Americans something better. Keeping even some of these regulations in place is Obamacare by another name.

Second, this bill repeats the mistakes of Obamacare by creating an entitlement program for health insurance. Furthermore, it keeps Obamacare's tax hikes to fund that new government program. These subsidies would only push prices artificially higher and undermine the real structural changes to health care that Americans deserve. It would also keep Washington at the Center of our health care system, and leave Obamacare's crumbling foundation largely intact.

As the bill stands today, it is Obamacare 2.0. Passing it would be making the same mistake that President Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi made in 2010.
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https://freedompartners.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Health-Care-Letter-to-Congress-3.7.17.pdf
 
thepotatoman said:
Statement from the Koch Brother's SuperPACs:



https://freedompartners.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Health-Care-Letter-to-Congress-3.7.17.pdf
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Boke1879 said:
LMAOO this is glorious. Half hate it because it doesn't go far enough. The other half dislike it because it would fuck over many of their constituents and it would be political suicide.
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Senate rules could force GOP to drop key policies in health bill

Arcane Senate rules could prove a major obstacle to congressional Republicans’ plans to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act.

Republicans plan to use a process called budget reconciliation to pass their new health bill. The process requires all changes to have a direct impact on the federal budget, significantly constraining what can be in the replacement plan.

There are multiple provisions in the replacement plan that are unlikely to meet that requirement, according to two congressional procedure experts interviewed by Vox. This would leave Republicans in a bind: either break with decades of Senate procedure or let their health bill die.

The provisions that might not qualify include Republicans’ plan to encourage healthy people to buy insurance — crucial to spreading the risk around and making insurance markets work — and perhaps even the provision to defund Planned Parenthood.
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This thing is fucked 6 ways from Sunday, lol
 
Plinko said:
My favorite/least favorite part of this thing is the idiotic GOP talking point that less pages in a bill means it is magically better.

Uh, no thanks. I'd rather have this well-thought out and detailed for any situation.
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If they really cared so much about bill length, then they can just pass this
 
Plinko said:
My favorite/least favorite part of this thing is the idiotic GOP talking point that less pages in a bill means it is magically better.

Uh, no thanks. I'd rather have this well-thought out and detailed for any situation.
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They're dumb and their base are fucking idiots. That's why they keep trying to push "do your taxes on a postcard" bullshit, too. The anti-intellectualism is palpably infuriating.
 
Steel said:
A reporter at the press conference earlier suggested Trumpcare. I think it'll stick.
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it needs to apply to the whole republican party, not just Trump. I'm optimistic Trump won't be serving a second term (lol) but if a shitty one gets signed in then it needs to be tied to the whole republican party as a whole-not just Trump
 
PandaPandaPanda said:
it needs to apply to the whole republican party, not just Trump. I'm optimistic Trump won't be serving a second term (lol) but if a shitty one gets signed in then it needs to be tied to the whole republican party as a whole-not just Trump
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To be fair if Trump gets impeached then it'd probably be easier to campaign on repealing TrumpCare no matter what the fuck it did rather than GOPcare or something. I'd like to somehow tie them all together on this crap, but this might be the best strategy. We already know how palpably some people can hate something just from a name and Trump has pretty low approval.

SirClinksAlot said:
Didnt Trump already tweet about this bill?
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Yeah, but we shouldn't take him literally.
 
PandaPandaPanda said:
it needs to apply to the whole republican party, not just Trump. I'm optimistic Trump won't be serving a second term (lol) but if a shitty one gets signed in then it needs to be tied to the whole republican party as a whole-not just Trump
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Seriously. I know it's tempting to solely attack Trump since he's such an obvious buffoon, but he's just the existing Republican buffoonery taken to its absurdist extreme. Beyond some words here and there on trade, he's not that meaningfully different from the Republican party orthodoxy when it comes to pretty much any other policy.
 
So with all the talk of how terrible this is, and Obamacare is still pretty bad for a large group of people.

Can Obamacare be fixed? Is it really this hard to find a universal healthcare solution in this country?

I find it sad that other first world countries has a good healthcare system in place and we're struggling to even implement one.
 
PandaPandaPanda said:
it needs to apply to the whole republican party, not just Trump. I'm optimistic Trump won't be serving a second term (lol) but if a shitty one gets signed in then it needs to be tied to the whole republican party as a whole-not just Trump
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Republicans did just fine applying Obamacare to the entire democratic party.
 
Zen Aku said:
So with all the talk of how terrible this is, and Obamacare is still pretty bad for a large group of people.

Can Obamacare be fixed? Is it really this hard to find a universal healthcare solution in this country?

I find it sad that other first world countries has a good healthcare system in place and we're struggling to even implement one.
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Yes . It is hard to have to find a universal healthcare option because republicans views it as the most evil thing that could happen to the county and their people agreed.

It will never happen because the gop would just call it "Socialized healthcare" its an instant boogeyman for their people.

"governemt provided healthcare" to them would ruin this country with entitlements. Make people not work.
 
Rebel Leader said:
Yes . It is hard to have to find a universal healthcare option because republicans views it as the most evil thing that could happen to the county and their people agreed.


It will never happen because the gop would just call it "Socialized healthcare" its an instant boogeyman for their people.
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Yep, Democrats had a super majority in both houses and still couldn't get it done
 
Steel said:
Republicans did just fine applying Obamacare to the entire democratic party.
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That's because the GOP, and its Fox News/talk radio apparatus, is quite adept at creating narratives that stick. People had a negative opinion of Hillary Clinton during the 2016 election, and they didn't even know why. It's because the GOP have been running a shit slinging campaign against her for 20 years.

Democrats have never been good at this. In all likelihood, they'll be the ones who get the blame for this shitstain of a bill.
 
Snaku said:
That's because the GOP, and its Fox News/talk radio apparatus, is quite adept at creating narratives that stick. People had a negative opinion of Hillary Clinton during the 2016 election, and they didn't even know why. It's because the GOP have been running a shit slinging campaign against her for 20 years.

Democrats have never been good at this. In all likelihood, they'll be the ones who get the blame for this shitstain of a bill.
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That's my concern, the name of this will be decided by Republicans most likely, they're much better at messaging
 
Rebel Leader said:
Yes . It is hard to have to find a universal healthcare option because republicans views it as the most evil thing that could happen to the county and their people agreed.

It will never happen because the gop would just call it "Socialized healthcare" its an instant boogeyman for their people.

"governemt provided healthcare" to them would ruin this country with entitlements. Make people not work.
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So conservatives rather die than have easy access to doctors, medicine and medical procedures at a low cost?? (I know we'll pay for it in higher taxes, but it would be worth it)
 
Anoregon said:
Tea party wants a full repeal, while most other R's know that explicitly taking existing health care away from people is a poison pill for reelection. They are in a wonderful quagmire of their own making.
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I'm not surprised that Tea Party folks don't understand that a full repeal isn't possible without 60 Senate votes. They likely won't even have 50 votes, so lmao at a full repeal happening.
 
Zen Aku said:
So conservatives rather die then have easy access to doctors, medicine and medical procedures at a low cost?? (I know we'll pay for it in higher taxes, but it would be worth it)
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See? You made the boogeyman! Higher taxes!

They hate that too!

It's won't happen as long as the GOP exist.
 
Vixdean said:
It could have been a layup, had they not spent the better part of a decade telling us Obamacare was the most horrific catastrophe in government history. They put themselves in a corner. They had to make it different enough from Obamacare to legitimately sell it as a repeal, but also make an attempt at providing premium relief. Because of the tax cuts for the rich, they were left with the impossible math problem of covering more people with less money. End result is exactly what you would expect.
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Did they really paint themselves in the corner? All the mainstream GOP has to do is drop the bias for the rich in their tax cuts ideally or provide universal coverage too worse case scenario.

I mean which power players are out there publicly demanding the GOP to bend over backwards for the rich at the expense of poor folks? Maybe there's an underground effort from lobbyists and donors that I'm not aware of but this bill is pointless. And it makes no sense because Obamacare sucks.

According to the CBO, the US ran a $587 billion deficit last year, the burden was a little over 3% of GDP, and if you listen to Obama supporters Trump inherited a fantastic economy. The US won't fall apart on the math or in reality if the GOP wants to provide more tax relief to people who need it and better health care. We can afford it.
 
Rebel Leader said:
Yes . It is hard to have to find a universal healthcare option because republicans views it as the most evil thing that could happen to the county and their people agreed.

It will never happen because the gop would just call it "Socialized healthcare" its an instant boogeyman for their people.

"governemt provided healthcare" to them would ruin this country with entitlements. Make people not work.
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They called Obamacare "socialized healthcare". It doesn't matter how moderate something is, they'll always try to brand it as the most extreme thing imaginable.

Americans like free market too much to have single payer, but a medicare buy in or medicare for all is already polled to be popular, and comes pretty close to single payer. There's a lot of room to move left from Obamacare if the democrat party isn't split between the all or nothing single payer group and the group that's scared of any possible republican criticism.
 
I've heard that even though Canada has universal healthcare. It's quite expensive in taxes and the wait time are incredibly long.

What country has the best universal healthcare system right now and would it be impossible for us to implement something like it?
 
TheLaughingStock said:
Did they really paint themselves in the corner? All the mainstream GOP has to do is drop the bias for the rich in their tax cuts ideally or provide universal coverage too worse case scenario.

I mean which power players are out there publicly demanding the GOP to bend over backwards for the rich at the expense of poor folks? Maybe there's an underground effort from lobbyists and donors that I'm not aware of but this bill is pointless. And it makes no sense because Obamacare sucks.

According to the CBO, the US ran a $587 billion deficit last year, the burden was a little over 3% of GDP, and if you listen to Obama supporters Trump inherited a fantastic economy. The US won't fall apart on the math or in reality if the GOP wants to provide more tax relief to people who need it and better health care. We can afford it.
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All the GOP has to do is stop being the GOP. Great plan
 
Steel said:
A reporter at the press conference earlier suggested Trumpcare. I think it'll stick.
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For the love of god, do not tie this Healthcare bill to Trump. If you are going to nickname it, make sure it says front and center that Republicans did this so that people know who to be pissed off at after Trump is gone. Make it stick to them for fucking ever
 
Steel said:
A reporter at the press conference earlier suggested Trumpcare. I think it'll stick.
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They better not call it Trumpcare. The entire Republican Party needs to have this shit pinned to them. Republicancare or Conservativecare is much more fitting and would help the public remember who actually fucked them over for years to come.
 
Trumpcare is not a good name. It has to be Republicare. If they impeach him, they'll do everything they can to distance themselves from him. This needs to be an albatross around their necks.
 
TheLaughingStock said:
Did they really paint themselves in the corner? All the mainstream GOP has to do is drop the bias for the rich in their tax cuts ideally or provide universal coverage too worse case scenario.

I mean which power players are out there publicly demanding the GOP to bend over backwards for the rich at the expense of poor folks? Maybe there's an underground effort from lobbyists and donors that I'm not aware of but this bill is pointless. And it makes no sense because Obamacare sucks.

According to the CBO, the US ran a $587 billion deficit last year, the burden was a little over 3% of GDP, and if you listen to Obama supporters Trump inherited a fantastic economy. The US won't fall apart on the math or in reality if the GOP wants to provide more tax relief to people who need it and better health care. We can afford it.
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No one publicly demands it, but it is covertly their reason for doing what they do. If they can't provide tax cuts to their wealthy friends, why would they bother governing at all? All their "govt that governs best governs least" rhetoric is a long con to eliminate the tax burden for the wealthy. Health care reform isn't their real goal. If it was they'd help the democrats with single payer, it's not like they're too stupid to see that it ultimately saves money. If you approach any topic and ask yourself "would this require wealthy people to pay more taxes" you can almost always know how the GOP is going to feel about any given issue.
 
killer rin said:
For the love of god, do not tie this Healthcare bill to Trump. If you are going to nickname it, make sure it says front and center that Republicans did this so that people know who to be pissed off at after Trump is gone. Make it stick to them for fucking ever
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I've heard both "Republicare" and "Wealthcare." The latter is snappier but the former is better propaganda.
 
Yeah, calling it Trumpcare is one of the dumbest things you can possibly do when covering this.

Even if you're just trying to be an unbiased reporter and not doing it for political reasons, you'd call it Ryancare because it is clearly Paul Ryan's baby. All Trump did was endorse it.
 
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